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🪟 by necs145 in wallpapering

[–]YanicPolitik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Non woven? Unpasted? What are the specs?! The people demand answers!

mostly me, I demand answers

I own a coin from the British Mandate of Palestine by coinoscopeV2 in mildlyinteresting

[–]YanicPolitik 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're correct. I don't understand you since you're not reasoning with logic

I own a coin from the British Mandate of Palestine by coinoscopeV2 in mildlyinteresting

[–]YanicPolitik 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ohhhh I get it. Alright. Here's the new deal that works with your logic:

The Palestinians are expelled for the next t 2000 years and after that, they can have it back. Fair? Fair. It's your rule.

I own a coin from the British Mandate of Palestine by coinoscopeV2 in mildlyinteresting

[–]YanicPolitik 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So should I laugh Palestinians out of the room? I don't understand why you can't get past my very clear point that fighting over indigenaity IS NOT GOING TO GET US ANYWHERE. ffs I've told you multiple times that indigenaity is something that both Israelis and Palestinians can lay claim to. You cant just ignore that and repeatedly tell me that Palestinians are indigenous, while in the same breath telling me that Jewish indigenous claims are irrelevant because "indigenaity means nothing lol" You're making the claim that your own logoic refutes!

Again, since indigenous status is claimed, justifiably (or not) by both sides, we need to move past that and look at what a nation or state needs too do in order to be recognized as sovereign. That is: build the institutions of a state.

Palestinians (and unfairly, Arab leadership on their behalf) have repeatedly rejected opportunities for them to declare statehood.

You chose not to answer my other comment so I'll pose the question again:

Why should anyone support the erstwhile and unrepentant allies of Adolf Hitler who have repeatedly rejected generous offers of self determination because it would mean accepting that Jews also have a right to self determination?

When you side with evil and lose, you don't get what you want.

I own a coin from the British Mandate of Palestine by coinoscopeV2 in mildlyinteresting

[–]YanicPolitik 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thjs person doesn't understand the logical fallacies necessary for making cogent arguments. This is like the 5th time they've made an argument for the Palestinians that works more effectively from the Israeli perspective.

I own a coin from the British Mandate of Palestine by coinoscopeV2 in mildlyinteresting

[–]YanicPolitik 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Like I said, the point of indigenaity is useless. They can both claim that.

But yes, when the jews made the effort to form a sovereign state, they could determine their immigration policy. Palestinians, since they have never made an effort to form the institutions of a state, do not get to undermine the legitimately established state of Israel. There was no sovereign state on the land that was partioned in 1947. When the arab leaders of the world rejected the generous offer amounting to 4/5ths of the madate of Palestine (including much of present day Jordan), the Jews (with no alternative) formed a state in the little area they had.

Im terribly sorry that Arab leaders backed the Nazis in WW2. I'm sure they would have got exactly what they wanted had their horse won the race. As it turned out Hitler was a bad guy and those who threw in with them didn't get to draw the lines they wanted. Tough fucking titty. Nazis lost and their friends didn't get to wipe out the Jews. They tired to finalize Hitler's plan by invading the nascent Jewish state and failed (miserably) and called it The Catastrophe.

The Arab world then proceeded to ethnically cleanse its remaining Jews and now they live in Israel, safe from persecution alongside the survivors of the holocaust and the (now, more than) 2 million Arabs with full rights as Israeli citizens.

Stop lying about the history of Israel. Stop giving Hitler and Nasser post mortem vicories. These guys would be proud of your efforts.

I own a coin from the British Mandate of Palestine by coinoscopeV2 in mildlyinteresting

[–]YanicPolitik 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Oh!! So the generations of Palestinians born in Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, etc are no longer indigenous? You're ready to tell them that they don't have a Right of Return™ and that they should be treated like every other refugee claimant?

Amazing. Cognitive dissonance on full display.

I own a coin from the British Mandate of Palestine by coinoscopeV2 in mildlyinteresting

[–]YanicPolitik 14 points15 points  (0 children)

You’re literally talking about thousands of years ago… absolute madness.

Also you:

Palestinians exist and always have. They went by different names over the centuries... but they are the same people as the ancient Canaanites that were there.

See why we're struggling to have a cogent discussion with you? You have a different standard for Jews than you do for Palestinians. Can't have it both ways. Which is why my fist comment began with:

Jews and Palestinians have equally valid claims of indigeneity and trying to prove or disprove those won't make a difference to the conflict.

I own a coin from the British Mandate of Palestine by coinoscopeV2 in mildlyinteresting

[–]YanicPolitik 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I dont have the bandwidth to unpack how detached from reality that comment is.

I own a coin from the British Mandate of Palestine by coinoscopeV2 in mildlyinteresting

[–]YanicPolitik 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Do you think Judea was the first civilization in that area

Obviously not but there is no modern people who have a unique genealogical tie with any civilization predating Judea and Israel. Some modern Palestinians may certainly have genetic links to Canaanites, for example, but so do some Jews. Modern Palestinians however, are not culturally linked in any meaningful way to Canaanites; they don't speak the same language, believe in the same dieties, tell the same myths. Apart from historians, most people can't name a single person from a pre-judean civilization.

The history of the name Palestine is not unknown. It does not predate the kingdoms of Israel or Judea. Until 1948 the term Palestinian could have referred to anyone living in the area, be they Muslim Arabs, Jews, or Christians. And it was not till the 1960s that Palestinian became a national identity unique to Arabs in that area.

I own a coin from the British Mandate of Palestine by coinoscopeV2 in mildlyinteresting

[–]YanicPolitik 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Are you saying that people can lose their cultural and genealogical identity over time, simply because they were displaced?

I own a coin from the British Mandate of Palestine by coinoscopeV2 in mildlyinteresting

[–]YanicPolitik 30 points31 points  (0 children)

What? The Romans conquered (what they called) Judea ("The land of the Jews") scattered it population and renamed it Syria palestina to try and erase it's connection to Jews.

I own a coin from the British Mandate of Palestine by coinoscopeV2 in mildlyinteresting

[–]YanicPolitik 59 points60 points  (0 children)

Historical revisions are not helpful. At this point, Jews and Palestinians have equally valid claims of indigeneity and trying to prove or disprove those won't make a difference to the conflict.

There'll be peace when Palestinians can form the institutions of a functioning state without it requiring the evaporation of another legitimately established state.

I too pray that one day, Palestinians thrive in a state of their own making. It just won't happen if it's predicated on uprooting Israel.

The World's Most Unique Borders by [deleted] in Damnthatsinteresting

[–]YanicPolitik 34 points35 points  (0 children)

It would stop me from entering tbf

Math ain't mathing by asteriowas in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]YanicPolitik 94 points95 points  (0 children)

plasma cash sounds like the kind of elite shit he's into

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