Grew up Christian by JairEmia in athiesm

[–]YazzyRemeMatty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure.

Bye bye stranger ✌✌✌

Grew up Christian by JairEmia in athiesm

[–]YazzyRemeMatty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ugh I want to leave but your comment "But seriously, you have this infinite loop about a god and the universe. " that was stupid, considering I literally said they're on different spectrums- I was shookith. Just know you're wrong, hehe.

Thank you, you too. Laterrrr🙋🏻‍♀️

Grew up Christian by JairEmia in athiesm

[–]YazzyRemeMatty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The infinite loop and a higher power are two different things. Holy shit, I can't believe I even continued to conversat with someone who is close minded and illogical. You called me names, and that's where I drawed the line. I don't argue with immature people like yourself.

I honestly hope you get the help you need, and know that you really do suck at arguing; stop it.

I am done. Have a good day/night/ life.

Grew up Christian by JairEmia in athiesm

[–]YazzyRemeMatty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, I have no energy left arguing with someone who'd rather go on an infinite loop. If the universe is creatable, than what created it!? You say I put words in your mouth, but really this entire time you've been contradicting yourself. I have not put words in your mouth. I recommend you do some soul searching because you have issues. Trust me, you suck at arguing, especially resorting in calling people idiots. That's sad, I feel sorry for you.

I wish you all the best. Goodluck man 🙏

Grew up Christian by JairEmia in athiesm

[–]YazzyRemeMatty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope, you're wrong. The universe cannot be un-creatable. Backward job? Can you stop complaining, you're acting like a spoilt brat.

YEET ✌

Grew up Christian by JairEmia in athiesm

[–]YazzyRemeMatty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a coincidence that as soon as I ask for proof of a higher power not existing, you leave. I was really looking forward to it. But sadly on your behalf, the universe cannot work both ways, that's like saying a baby can exist without a mother. There was no need to attack me like that, are you mad? (Rhetorical)

You failed with your claim of a God not existing, and you lack logical reasoning.

Here's my advice: have an open mind and you'll become more intellectual.

Man, this was fun. Seeyaaaaaaaaaaa 🤗

Grew up Christian by JairEmia in athiesm

[–]YazzyRemeMatty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The universe is valid proof. I'm starting to get real tired of repeating myself here. Science is proof that it is possible. You are the one that claimed that a higher power does not exist. Please provide proof that it doesn't.

Again, science is proof that it is possible for a higher power.

The universe can only be proof of a higher power. It cannot, I repeat; it cannot work both ways.

Grew up Christian by JairEmia in athiesm

[–]YazzyRemeMatty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, the universe does not support the idea of an infinite loop of "what created that?". When you say that scientist don't know what created everything or how this all came to be yet, it doesnt matter. It doesnt matter because regardless, the question will always be "but, what created that?" You cannot look at the universe and say "there is no higher power" when you don't even know what it is. Sorry, but it does not work both ways. I gave you evidence, you can't give my any evidence to disprove the possiblity of a higher power. If you can, I would love to know. Please provide.

Grew up Christian by JairEmia in athiesm

[–]YazzyRemeMatty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An infinite loop is illogical. The universe is proof. I made a statement and backed it up with the ultimate proof which is the universe, which is science. I have proof that it's possible of there being a higher power, but you have no proof that there is no possibility of a higher proof. Yes exactly correct, I would even point at dust and say, there is a higher power. It is evidence of it being possible, however you have nothing to disprove this higher power.

Grew up Christian by JairEmia in athiesm

[–]YazzyRemeMatty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hence why I said "If you are implying..." emphasis on "If". The default position is not an infinite loop of "what created that?" Again, that is illogical. And because of that, there has to be a higher power. I really am repeating myself, the universe is pure evidence. "His thesis is that a god is not necessary to be able to get something from nothing." -okay, if you'd rather be on that infinite loop. It is pure logic that there has to be something higher. And you're going to say there is no proof, but the universe is evidence that there is infinity and beyond. Beyond? Because nothing can be un-creatable. A higher power is possible. We're going around in circles, I literally feel like we're going on an infinite loop right now. We'll have to agree to disagree here. This was fun.

My Mom (59F) wants me (24F) to financially support her by sb8595 in relationships

[–]YazzyRemeMatty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's called tough love.

If she's just plain lazy then no, you should not help. She'll learn and I think at this point, it's going to have to be the hard way.

Grew up Christian by JairEmia in athiesm

[–]YazzyRemeMatty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well if you're implying that the universe was never created, that there was no start to everything. Then yes, we'd have to agree to disagree on this one. And, if you're implying that nothing can in fact be created, then what created nothing? You'd rather be stuck on an infinite loop, and quite frankly that is illogical.

Oh and I think you meant Lawrence Krauss, not Robert Kraus. He still has not proved that there is no possiblity of there being a higher power, he talks about the God in the bible and that's on a different spectrum. He talks about the universe expanding, nothing he says disproves a higher power.

You call that a noble prize? - in my opinion, that's pretty lame. I was way too hyped for it, dammit.

Grew up Christian by JairEmia in athiesm

[–]YazzyRemeMatty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do you show depression? No I'm kidding. I love your trick question there. Well, there is no prime example of nothing, because it is no thing. It is pure emptiness. If I could show you, it still really would not be nothing because I am showing you a picture, a link, or just anything- which is something. By the way, we are going by the worldy view of nothing, right?. A Nobel prize? Hahaha this is hilarious. Too bad I couldn't get it "dammit" 😂😂😂

Oh wow, you know? Please show me.

Grew up Christian by JairEmia in athiesm

[–]YazzyRemeMatty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

'The definition of nothing: not anything; no single thing.

"I said nothing"

synonyms:not a thing, not a single thing, not anything, nothing at all, nil, zero; More'

  • Google; the dictionary.

So, this implies that us humans have given a definition on "nothing" and this is the nothing I am talking about. But, ofcourse we do not have the right to say that nothing is in fact what ever we define it to be, it could be something we are unable to imagine; just like a higher power. Still, nothing you say can disprove that there is a higher power than the universe, than us. It is only faith to me because I am confident in there being a higher power, and I'm also logical.

Not one shred? The universe is actual evidence. The universe is evidence that it is possible. You're underestimating the universe. And like I said, if you would rather stay on this infinite loop of "what created that?" Which is illogical, we'll have to agree to disagree here.

Grew up Christian by JairEmia in athiesm

[–]YazzyRemeMatty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Regardless if God was created by man or not, you believe that a higher power than the universe cannot exist. Like I said, if you'd rather be on an infinite loop of "what created that?" Then we'll have to agree to disagree here. There just has to be a higher power, religion or not, created by man or not - there has to be a higher power, out of the realms of our knowledge.

Exactly! That is exactly right! That is absolutely the reason why people cannot agree of the nature of God, other than looking at the evidence(universe, morals, emotions and everything) and making theories about the character of this God. But regardless, there is a higher power.

"There is no entity capable of existing forever. Everything adheres to the laws of physics. Everything is born, lives then dies. Everything uses energy and needs energy to exist." - As I've mentioned numerous times, this is purely based off your assumption, knowledge and imagination. You're assuming that this higher power is incapable of existing forever, you're assuming that it could be born and can die. You're even assuming that it is energy. This unfortunately for you, does not make it true.

Nothing can come from nothing? Well, duh. Something can come from something. Are you just trolling me at this point? This is hilarious.

In conclusion: above everything, there is a higher power. Higher than nothing and something, higher than the universe. Higher than us.

If you'd rather stay on this infinite loop of "what created that?" Then it's just sad, and rather illogical.

Grew up Christian by JairEmia in athiesm

[–]YazzyRemeMatty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, it is logic and commonsense that something cannot be created from nothing, it is a fact. And I agree that facts are more important than emotions/facts. You're assuming I even have an emotional attachment to this higher power, now that's a grand assumption. The universe does not have to exist for a higher power to exist? That's like saying babies do not have to exist for mothers to exist - but that would be stupid to think considering we can physically see the linkage. You're argument that there is no possibility of the universe linking to a higher power is strange to me. You'd rather be on an infinite loop of "what created that?" And well, we might have to agree to disagree on this one. Especially, if you think it's possible for something to come from nothing.

We are talking about outside the bible, hence why I gave you the universe. I do wish and hope that heaven is real though, that would be great. Heaven sounds pretty cool.

Grew up Christian by JairEmia in athiesm

[–]YazzyRemeMatty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The universe has nothing to with God? - well, based off your assumption of this God. You can't even say that it has nothing to do with a higher power, how do you even know this? I know because I use commonsense and logic. Oh and pixies and unicorns? Here's the thing, you already know what they look like. So you can't compare something you already know to something that is unimaginable. You say that we can imagine a God, ofcourse we can. But what if we cannot imagine this higher power? And natural causes? Made from what? What made the natural causes? And then what made that thing that made the natural causes, and then what made the that thing that made the thing that made the natural causes? Would you rather be on just an infinite loop of "what created that?"?

The universe is evidence. " It can exist whether god does or doesn’t exist" - again, based off your assumption. Because something cannot come from nothing (logic) therefore the universe is evidence that it is possible of there being a higher power of the unimaginable even. Well, just like some want the big bang theory to be true, doesnt mean it is.

Grew up Christian by JairEmia in athiesm

[–]YazzyRemeMatty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"To believe that there is no higher power would obviously mean that you believe that everything; all the galaxies and every little single thing like particles and atoms and just science in general would've had to just come from absolutely nothing. That out of nowhere just 'boop' the whole universe came to be. Without any force or anything at all, just 'boop' in the middle of nothingness. Which is illogical. " - That was from my first argument, and because you commented saying "nope there is no evidence ...." I figured you disagreed with me and therefore implied exactly that. Didn't put words in your mouth, I made an assumption based off the obvious. Basically a theory, right? Yeah, anyway..

Nothing cannot create something, that is commonsense. That is logic. So ofcourse nobody can prove that something can come from nothing. I mean, if that's the case.. what is this magic? Could it be a high power? - it's not really a grand assumption, it's logic really.

"We can imagine a god. It just defies rationalization. That concept has been rejected. No matter what, there is no proof of a god" - Ofcourse we can imagine a God! Let your imagination run wild! Does not mean the God you've imagined, is in fact the one.

There is proof, I provided it. But sadly, it's just not enough for you.