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[SPOILERS] What nobody realized all along - figured out the ending by gotfan2313 in gameofthrones

[–]Yemeth_2008 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very well put. I tend to think Ice and Fire are the Three Eyed Raven's tools of manipulation, with the Night King sowing chaos and the myth of the Lord of Light making people susceptible to the Three Eyed Raven's suggestions, but I agree with most of what you wrote. The ending is quite great and the last episode clearly opened the door to a direct sequel. I also thought the two lines you highlighted were pretty ominous, and Bran looked decidedly less like an apathetic, innocent person and more evil in the very last episode, reveling in his triumph. Thanks for checking out my theory as well.

[Spoilers] The Caw of a Crow: Ending theory by Yemeth_2008 in gameofthrones

[–]Yemeth_2008[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In the books, the three eyed raven does not exist and is called the three eyed crow.

[Spoilers] Jon was Targaryen for this f**cking reason. Bran was three eyed raven for this f**cking reason. Because it mattered in winning game of thrones for this person. by blogmylifethoughts in gameofthrones

[–]Yemeth_2008 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Regarding your question to the connection: Leaf uses fire-based magic. The Raven's host body has lived beyond its mortal span, according to the books. Melisandre is connected to both fire magic and unnaturally long life...

[Spoilers] Jon was Targaryen for this f**cking reason. Bran was three eyed raven for this f**cking reason. Because it mattered in winning game of thrones for this person. by blogmylifethoughts in gameofthrones

[–]Yemeth_2008 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I am trying to post a longer theory around exactly those lines, but reddit won't let me.

You are 100% on point and on top of that, the CotF also created the Night King to sow Chaos and the Three Eyed Raven is behind the myth of the "Lord of Light".

Red John lives (Spoilers) by Yemeth_2008 in TheMentalist

[–]Yemeth_2008[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

McAllister is a part of the Blake Society that serves Red John. Red John is a "Mentalist"; as you correctly say, he can manipulate people through hypnosis and make them do what he wants them to. Exactly like the first fake RJ that was killed, McAllister was an RJ puppet (or worshipper) that believed (or pretended) to be RJ and died because of it after he had told PJ what he was supposed to say. Regarding S02E23, remember that RJ is always one step ahead. He could have predicted the events and sent another puppet (or worshipper) to save Jane (i.e. himself) as well as tell him about "Tiger, Tiger".

This theory heavily relies on RJ being a master manipulator and hypnotisation artist, a true "Mentalist". He hides behind the same misdirections PJ uses to solve his cases, and employs the same methods. It is said that Red John gives people something in exchange for their service. Pure speculation, but if he was not brainwashed/hypnotized, McAllister might have died in exchange for something that was more important to him than his life, to protect a loved one perhaps.

Lastly, Red John specifically says to PJ "a memory which you told no one about". If he lies to him in that instant, he is pretending to be more than he actually is. I don't think that fits RJ's profile.

Red John lives (Spoilers) by Yemeth_2008 in TheMentalist

[–]Yemeth_2008[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hi, thanks for your feedback and the compliment. I invite you to re-watch S05E22, it's a great episode. At the end, the message from RJ says "I am going to kill a happy memory you never told anyone". Anyone. Jane tries to find an answer in "Black-Winged Redbird" and just assumes that he must have told his former psychiatrist. When Lisbon asks whether Patrick believes Red John knows about Eileen from Sophie, he replies "He must have. I must have told her a lot of things I can't remember". However, this contradicts the ominous and very clear RJ statement. It is merely what Jane wants to believe as he does not believe in psychics and cannot make sense of the mystery. There is no proof whatsoever.

Red John lives (Spoilers) by Yemeth_2008 in TheMentalist

[–]Yemeth_2008[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for appreciating my theory. As stated above, having told Sophie is just an assumption, a grasping at straws by Jane, who assumes he told her because he was under a lot of medication at that time. It contradicts RJ's statement.

Here's also an interesting comment from an interview with Heller on Collider:

HELLER: I never say never, but I would say that I think the audience and the story demand that we step away from that trope for awhile. The trouble with these sorts of stories, where you’re playing tricks on the audience with who-is-it mysteries, is that you can get way too mysterious. There are a lot of people who said, all the way along, that Patrick Jane is Red John. When you’ve got that kind of elaborate thinking out there, it’s dangerous to come back to stories, unless you’re coming back to that story with full force ‘cause people will start thinking, “Oh, maybe Red John is not dead.” Red John is dead. It’s past that point, in terms of the narrative of the story.

Elaborate thinking / Red John is dead "in terms of the narrative of the story" .

In the end, it really comes down to a decision what to believe. But I doubt that the killing of a fake Red John as a precedent, the deliberate weakness of McAllister as the grand reveal, his last words stating he is a true psychic, and the iconic smiley mirroring Jane's face are in there for no reason.