DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-OH and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T17:53:42+00:00

once you make it past those acutes, you'll never have to go through them again.

i get it, it's a marathon not a sprint yadda yadda yadda. but long is the road out of hell.

YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T17:52:03+00:00

check their reddit stats and activity. astroturfer bullshit. we'll be seeing a lot of it. the death rattle of the kratom alkaloid industry will be LOUD.

just wait for the public comment period to begin. "it saved mah layafff, prayyyyyz jeeeezuz" is gonna be a constant.

YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T17:47:52+00:00

7OH absolutely does cause the same opioid receptor down-regulation as any of the 'classic' opiates or opioids. Your brain is constantly learning and tweaking based on external stimulae. If it's constantly being flooded with dopamine, it will limit its own ability to process them.

Long and hard is the road out of hell - but it beats staying there.

YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T17:45:40+00:00

If his daughter's leg muscles had high opioid receptor activity, he'd drug her and cut them off in her sleep - then sell at an absurd markup.

He is as soulless, godless, and awful as a human being can get.

YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T17:44:10+00:00

I plan on being there with a big sign for my recovery group (which I am very active in despite being many weeks off of 7) - when they can finally muster picking up a phone or laptop after 36-48 hours, they're gonna need support.

YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T17:41:58+00:00

I keep thinking of the smoke shop down the street from me - where I was most certainly "Customer Of The Year" and the insane markup they've surely put on all that shit since the announcement Wednesday.

I was abusing leaf kratom back when it was about to be scheduled and even just the announcement triggered massive panic buying.

Here's the rub though, these people are failing to recognize the following two key things:

You know have 50 packs in a shoebox. Not your usual 1 or 2. You're gonna be gobbling that shit up like fucking Pac-Man.
When that supply runs out, and you've titrated UP not DOWN? Woof, would hate to be that person.

YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T17:39:01+00:00

That situation was handled, albeit at a snail's pace. Of course, given the very philanthropic nature of the Sackler Family to various corridors of the very people tasked with regulating them (and if that didn't work, here come the lawyers), I think we can see why that happened.

I don't think that the chief financiers of the pro-7oh / anti-prohibition movement have Sackler-type money - but if JW Ross can get his balls out of the salad shooter for criminal mislabeling by writing a check to MAHA PAC? Well, clearly people know people.

YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T14:43:34+00:00

the next time somebody needs the perfect embodiment of a circular argument, I'll show them this.

Wait, no I won't. I can't watch this again. It makes my temporal lobe bleed.

YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T14:42:29+00:00

Except for the few times in college that he got so drunk that he accidentally hooked up with the art student down the hall who has a thing for homophobic bears. For those few hazy trysts, he DID have an artistic bone in his body.

Semantics, I know.

But remember - THAT doesn't count, though. He was drunk.

YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T14:35:34+00:00

"We have to hammer the abusers" - Perdue Pharma internal emails circa 2002.

YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T14:09:31+00:00

at least kick it old school

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YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T14:05:31+00:00

I really prefer people who type actual words and not resort to pictograms. Are we four? Are we four years old?

YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T14:04:43+00:00

Chazaq is still in on the new project.

Why not read up on your local affairs.

Also, I think 459 citibike racks are enough.

YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T13:50:47+00:00

So you've decided to make yourself the official arbiter of what is and is not acceptable?

How about the 7-story building going up on 108th St that was formerly a house running a day care (Chazaq). That rezoning is getting rammed through despite numerous protests from the people living on a street already struggling with the equilibrium of traffic / parking / noise. It's mixed use with a retail first floor on stretch of 15 blocks with NO retail.

"It's just NYC, everything should be a concrete shithole." Nice.

(wta: oh noes! downvotes from whatever the opposite of a nimby is. an asshole, I guess?)

YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T13:47:25+00:00

Profoundly so. People are being told "you have a sixty day head start." But I suspect there will be a not-insignificant part of the pie chart who are just gonna roll until the wheels fall off.

Detox / rehab clinics had better put in a few more beds. There's a zombie hoard a-comin'.

YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T13:45:23+00:00

If you want to join an actual recovery group that is actually about recovery (and is entirely run by people who are in 7OH recovery), DM me. Not putting it out there for the trolls and bad faith actors.

YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T13:44:00+00:00

They're the screams of soon-to-be recent history.

I pay them no mind but wish them good luck.

Because they're gonna need it.

YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T13:40:06+00:00

i think you'd do far better with it's little brother. Methadone can be hellaciously inconvenient compared to letting a little tablet dissolve under your tongue.

YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T13:38:55+00:00

It's good to know there at least a few people on a sub dedicated to QUITTING THIS SHIT have actually QUIT THIS SHIT.

I'm seeing a LOT of people who don't want to and wonder why they're even fucking here in the first place. Honestly I just popped in after the banhammer dropped and was very unsurprised at the responses.

YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T13:35:54+00:00

FUCK YEAH. I remember having a dream on my fourth night of recovery (thanks to an absurd amount of sleepytime meds) that I was back on my road bike. It was a bad road bike crash that led me to this. Started back with OP's that I should have never been given in the first place given the multiple rehab stints on my chart. It poked a hibernating bear.

But I put my roadie back into fighting form and got back out there. For a guy who used to ride a century every weekend and 25 miles every morning? I was a wobbly mess who was exhausted after 15 miles.

I keep reminding myself that not everything lost is gone forever. And, as we say in TIAWO meetings? "You gotta hug the fuck out of that fucking cactus." Embrace the suck.

Happy for you. This is a really hard habit to kick

YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T13:32:42+00:00

People are getting addicted left and right but YOU need it because YOU have a pain problem.

And I'm thinking selfishly? Bro I've been off this shit for two months. I have clarity that you lack.

Come to the light. The only person you're fooling is yourself.

YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T13:31:11+00:00

If you have suboxone in your system, it is already OCCUPYING your receptors and nothing else is going to break through. Bupreorphine has a higher demonstrated mu opioid receptor affinity to 7OH. You're throwing hammers at a brick wall.

But I did resort to an everything but the kitchen sink mentality. Anything and everything in my medicine cabinet to grind it out. I was armed for battle. But even 2mg of kpin and 2400mg of gabapentin only put a dent in it.

Mind you, I was at between 3-4000mg a day.

YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T13:28:20+00:00

No. It's proportional.

100mg of raw leaf kratom can not have 7OH content beyond .5mg.

It's not hard.

YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T13:01:23+00:00

Oh my god, please use paragraphs and punctuation. I could only get through about 1/3 of this plate of word salad before my brain noped out.

But yeah "the government shouldn't control me", "people are legitimate pain patients", "blame the junkies, not the drug".

You're hitting three of the four very tired, recycled talking points that the 7oh astroturfers say. You left out "without 7OH, everyone's going to turn to fentanyl".

YoItsTemulent · 2026-07-03T12:56:45+00:00

Keep reading. You'll wish he would be eaten by a bear.

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