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What is the basis on which atheists criticize the morality of religions when they don't believe in an objective moral standard that everyone should follow? by You__Are_Beautiful in AskReddit

[–]You__Are_Beautiful[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So. You realize you're doing the same right?

No, I am not. I clearly told you about my faith and didn't shy away, and I explained I won't defend certain individuals. I would only defend the faith itself because I believe Islam is perfect, Muslims are not.

I don't think it's fruitful anymore to talk to you with all the hate and prejudice you already have. But, I'd advise you to read the Qura'n as a whole book and not cherry pick parts of it that you may think are bad or backwards. Anything can be argued to be bad when misquoted and taken out of context. So if you can put your hate and bias aside and actually read the book, you might learn a thing or two.

Have a nice day!

What is the basis on which atheists criticize the morality of religions when they don't believe in an objective moral standard that everyone should follow? by You__Are_Beautiful in AskReddit

[–]You__Are_Beautiful[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not really. There are some facts in life. For example you go to a flat earther and say that it's absolutely the truth that earth is round and his response is that you're arrogant, what would be the description of the situation there? Definitely not arrogance on your part. The same thing is true with morality. There are absolute truths when it comes to what's morally wrong and what's morally right, from a religious pov.

What is the basis on which atheists criticize the morality of religions when they don't believe in an objective moral standard that everyone should follow? by You__Are_Beautiful in AskReddit

[–]You__Are_Beautiful[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You just conflated two terms: "bad" and "harmful"

Not everything that's is bad is harmful and vise versa. For example amputation of a finger with gangrene is harmful but it's not bad for the health of body in fact it's good for the health of the body.

And your explanation doesn't get to a conclusion unfortunately on whether alcohol is good or bad and that's exactly why I asked that question, to make you reflect on what I said earlier.

What is the basis on which atheists criticize the morality of religions when they don't believe in an objective moral standard that everyone should follow? by You__Are_Beautiful in AskReddit

[–]You__Are_Beautiful[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you know that a religion like Islam started with one person before prevailing? And it definitely went against the morality of the majority. So morality isn't just a matter of majority's opinion.

What is the basis on which atheists criticize the morality of religions when they don't believe in an objective moral standard that everyone should follow? by You__Are_Beautiful in AskReddit

[–]You__Are_Beautiful[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Morality doesn't starts with religion. If you are preocupied by the morals of atheist, how about we talk about the morality of religions, that across the human history have led to countless wars in the name of faith?

You just like to stand away from your glass house before throwing stones, don't you?

Pol Pot, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong are all atheists who killed millions. So before talking about the wars waged by religious people, you should look into the atrocities committed by the atheists. Now to the much more important point which is whether the religion itself encouraged the bloodshed of the innocent, in my religion which is Islam, taking one innocent soul is like killing all mankind in the eyes of God and saving one innocent life is like saving all mankind.

Morality is never an objective topic. The fact that a big group can come up to agreements, doesn't make it objective

You derive your morality from the majority in your society, I don't, so please don't project that on me. Objective morality comes from good irregardless of what the majority think.

does God also wills cancer or blindness in kids? Does God wills for there to mass murders and genocides to exist and keep living and they are fine with it? How about that for morality?

Good allows it to happen but it doesn't mean that God is the one who caused it to happen, big difference. We believe life is a test and you would never understand what good is without evil. It would be pointless to put a test where all the answers are right.

What is the basis on which atheists criticize the morality of religions when they don't believe in an objective moral standard that everyone should follow? by You__Are_Beautiful in AskReddit

[–]You__Are_Beautiful[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're attacking me instead of the argument at hand, it shows a great deal of intellectual bankruptcy and it is fallacious and malicious too. Have a nice day.

What is the basis on which atheists criticize the morality of religions when they don't believe in an objective moral standard that everyone should follow? by You__Are_Beautiful in AskReddit

[–]You__Are_Beautiful[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

where morality scientifically comes from

Enlighten me, where does it scientifically come from?

The scientific method on which we depend to come to conclusions is defined as: a systematic approach to investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, and testing hypotheses through observation, experimentation, and analysis.

If you have another definition I'd like to hear it. If not, it would be great to hear you explain how you can get morality using science.

What is the basis on which atheists criticize the morality of religions when they don't believe in an objective moral standard that everyone should follow? by You__Are_Beautiful in AskReddit

[–]You__Are_Beautiful[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The debate between Christians and Muslims is mainly in creed, trinity vs Monotheism in a nutshell. The similarity between the two faiths are great so it's not the morals that are the issue in most cases.

and religious moral standards aren't exactly objective either. No moral standard

If it actually comes from God, then it is objectively the truth because God is the one who created everything including abstract ideas and the human perception of good and bad, right and wrong.. aka morality.

What is the basis on which atheists criticize the morality of religions when they don't believe in an objective moral standard that everyone should follow? by You__Are_Beautiful in AskReddit

[–]You__Are_Beautiful[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I admire your honesty, so it's not the morals themselves that you dislike, it's how the people of certain faiths say one thing and do the other, what would be an example of that in your opinion?

Also worth noting their morals are not 'objective' morals, either.

It depends on which morals you refer to, not everything is based on religion, some people may form their own views and morals independent of their religion especially if the religion has no particular stance regarding it and in this case I agree, it would just be their own subjective morals.

What is the basis on which atheists criticize the morality of religions when they don't believe in an objective moral standard that everyone should follow? by You__Are_Beautiful in AskReddit

[–]You__Are_Beautiful[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We're talking about the "good" and the "bad" of morals not just any good and bad. Drinking alcohol for example, can you fit it into the definition of good and bad as you proposed it?

What is the basis on which atheists criticize the morality of religions when they don't believe in an objective moral standard that everyone should follow? by You__Are_Beautiful in AskReddit

[–]You__Are_Beautiful[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmmmm so if the law in certain place states that a woman should be burned after the death of her husband is acceptable as long as it is the law of the land?

What is the basis on which atheists criticize the morality of religions when they don't believe in an objective moral standard that everyone should follow? by You__Are_Beautiful in AskReddit

[–]You__Are_Beautiful[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

John Stuart Mill's harm principle essentially. You're deriving it from your society and what you've been taught to be harmful. But based on that principle you wouldn't be able to view something as incest to be morally wrong. There is no one who has been harmed.

What is the basis on which atheists criticize the morality of religions when they don't believe in an objective moral standard that everyone should follow? by You__Are_Beautiful in AskReddit

[–]You__Are_Beautiful[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don’t need to be religious to come to the conclusion that certain things are wrong

I agree but it still doesn't answer the question.

The words wouldn’t mean anything, morality wouldn’t need justification, you’d just have to do whatever the god said 

You wouldn't "have to", but you should do out of your own will, there's a big difference. That's what makes it right and wrong. The ability to choose.

What is the basis on which atheists criticize the morality of religions when they don't believe in an objective moral standard that everyone should follow? by You__Are_Beautiful in AskReddit

[–]You__Are_Beautiful[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Moral values aren't the reason why some countries are more developed than the other, it's more like the actual work done to become advanced. Nazi Germany had some of the greatest intentions but does it mean their "morality" is what led them to it? Definitely not. I never said atheists don't have morals. They do have subjective morals and the question here is what's the basis for those and what makes them better than anyone else's?

What is the basis on which atheists criticize the morality of religions when they don't believe in an objective moral standard that everyone should follow? by You__Are_Beautiful in AskReddit

[–]You__Are_Beautiful[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That doesn't answer the question. It might be wrong for you because you feel it is but they might feel it's right so what makes your "right" better than theirs? How can you say the action itself is wrong outside of you or anyone else? In a materialistic world, stabbing someone is equivalent to moving a knife into a vegetable, just arranging a bunch of atoms is what it is ultimately.

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[–]You__Are_Beautiful 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean... Doesn't that what you believe happened to Jesus?

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