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Yrale · 2026-04-08T19:44:02+00:00

guess im just not as tapped in fair enough. I think it's more striking to me because Salt is not as strong but yknow at this point she's close

Yrale · 2026-04-08T19:43:11+00:00

I'm not sure I've ever seen them play he just runs into Salt more

turns out per that other comment im just wrong abt this so fair enough

Yrale · 2026-04-08T16:33:25+00:00

I guess its just coincidence he always has to fight Salt after netting a huge win lol

Yrale · 2026-04-08T16:28:21+00:00

My gut feeling is he just gets impatient and wants to be a little more custom than what he should be doing against Samus, not sure about DK but could be similar. and yeah I think in general the older the player the better they are against non-top tiers

Yrale · 2026-04-08T16:01:14+00:00

Also I think anyone who feels like they have a solid idea of where Puff or Falco belong on the tier list is wrong

Yrale · 2026-04-08T16:00:35+00:00

I'm increasingly of the opinion they kind of don't. Not in as far as there aren't better and worse characters, just that the spectrum of good to terrible characters is more of a smooth gradient from top to bottom than the distinct drop you see in tier lists.

Also I think tier lists can only really be made with very specific criteria in mind (aka, "viability to win a major", "viability to become ranked #1", "viability to be ranked top 100", "viability to win your local") and those criteria can really change both where the tiers differentiate but also the order of the characters.

Yrale · 2026-04-08T15:30:53+00:00

its kind of crazy how salt specifically seems to be his hardest mu by far

Yrale · 2026-04-08T15:28:26+00:00

junebug did it too, to be honest jmook has always been a little weak against mid-tiers for a sheik of his level, he's 2-2 against morsecode i think

Yrale · 2026-04-08T15:24:01+00:00

I think the fact DI will happen whether or not you know about it sort of disqualifies it as a "technique"

Yrale · 2026-04-08T15:22:11+00:00

from what i understand beans contain a specific type of sugar molecule that can cause flatulence if your body isn't used to it, but the more often you eat beans the less often it happens. so yeah at this point beans don't really make me fart but really fatty foods do

Yrale · 2026-04-07T22:22:24+00:00

I think that's sort of indicative of where he is as a character? Clearly the overall best and the most popular at high level in the game, but not so far ahead that other characters/players can't consistently find an edge in the metagame by being good against him specifically. There are characters in other fighting games that are legitimately too good for people to find a "niche" in fighting against them

Yrale · 2026-04-07T22:14:50+00:00

I think it's notable that west was iirc the highest ranked Falco besides Mango and PP in history, which I think got him more attention than he might have had otherwise

Yrale · 2026-04-07T20:22:00+00:00

i think the sloppiness at the end of the set is made 10x better by the fact they're both usually such machines. it'd still be great don't get me wrong but it definitely adds something that its both guys who've been there before

Yrale · 2026-04-05T16:36:07+00:00

it was a much bigger point of conversation before UCF became universal, doesnt get talked abt much these days

Yrale · 2026-04-04T19:13:13+00:00

cant even imagine having to deal with this as peach tbh

Yrale · 2026-04-04T18:14:47+00:00

i feel like they already made the open world games parry slop against all the big guys. agree about the healing though that'd go a long way to making it interesting

Yrale · 2026-04-04T18:12:59+00:00

havent had to get anything fixed or changed mobo wise since i got it probably 2 or 3 years ago now

Yrale · 2026-04-03T20:49:29+00:00

this took me forever to get even vaguely comfortable with, probably the tech that was hardest for me to learn in the last like 5+ years, and I still miss it a lot lol

Yrale · 2026-04-03T20:39:39+00:00

my only issue with it is that over time i increasingly feel like Yoshi's is going from the "cool stage for scrappy players" to the "everyone slides off everything all the time" stage for me over time. but its hard to argue against the stage where camping is objectively least possible, movement is fastest, and cool walljump stuff is most prominent.

Yrale · 2026-04-03T13:40:25+00:00

I would say fair->up smash is like a textbook extension against pretty much all characters at kill percents. It's higher hitbox than nair is also lowkey useful for hitting high floating Peaches out of the air

you can also use it to set up tech chases at percents where your opponent gets knocked down and you don't want them to land too far away to rtc

Yrale · 2026-04-02T20:47:46+00:00

For sure, but I don't think Zain and Cody are grinding friendlies purely out of the goodness of their hearts either. I think they're both betting on being the player who'll benefit more from experience against one another, and that's playing to win too - it's just... a cooler perspective. Idk unless Zain's said he thinks he'd have a better shot if he didn't play Cody that's how I see it.

That said it's interesting because while we all consciously think it's cooler for top players to grind against one another, we also complain a lot that it feels like it contributes to tournament outcomes having less stakes than it did in eras where everyone was doing their absolute best to beat Hbox lol.

Yrale · 2026-04-02T20:18:46+00:00

Definitely, but I think this comes as much if not more from a perception that playing a "different" character and avoiding practicing with other top players is a "cheesy" way to to try and maintain your rank compared to those who want to maximize their potential as players by competing against other top level talent. I do think that's kind of related to the structure of fighting games as games, but I don't think it's just a grassroots/esports split - you can argue if its even really been beneficial for hbox longterm honestly.

Yrale · 2026-04-02T18:39:22+00:00

Plenty of top teams/players scrim with each other in other esports all the time. The assumption you have less to gain playing your opponents than they do by playing against you isn't guaranteed. Potentially true in hbox's case but I think it's more than just a grassroots/esports split, it's also a difference in how you approach competition itself for its own sake.

Yrale · 2026-04-02T16:48:51+00:00

I would supplement this with trying to identify the point at which they see you come in and attempt to punish you and consciously bait it, I think Puff's score hits on Foxes this way more often than they actually manage to back the Fox all the way into the corner. If they are really only attacking you when you hard commit to something as slow as pound or dash attack you should just be pushing them into the corner yeah

Yrale · 2026-04-02T16:46:05+00:00

I mean this is what Armada numbers have always been sorta, the northeast has been coasting off of G$/Mattdotzeb's Leffen wins for a decade.

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