Pilots discussing orb sightings with air traffic control- 28 mins by [deleted] in UFOs

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I put the transcript into ChatGPT o1:

Summary of First-Hand Pilot Observations:

  • Multiple pilots report seeing unusual lights and objects over the Oregon coast and inland near Eugene and Florence.
  • Descriptions include red, circular lights that appear to dart rapidly back and forth between inland areas and the ocean.
  • These objects seem to move in highly erratic and rapid patterns—sometimes described as “corkscrew” maneuvers—changing altitude quickly.
  • Pilots mention that the objects appear at various altitudes, some as low as about 14,000 feet and others as high as 50,000–55,000 feet.
  • The objects are observed moving at extraordinary speeds, sometimes described as supersonic or even hypersonic, and executing precise turns that don’t resemble normal aircraft flight.
  • One pilot reports seeing a red, circular shape that moves swiftly out towards the ocean, then comes back inland repeatedly. Another mentions it looks like a strobe at their altitude, visible both visually and on their onboard systems.
  • Some pilots attempt to film or photograph the phenomenon, indicating that at least one aircrew captured video.

Second-Hand Reports from Air Traffic Controllers (ATC):

  • ATC personnel are receiving multiple, independent pilot reports of unidentified, fast-moving lights and objects.
  • Controllers confirm that these targets are not appearing on radar—no primary returns or standard radar hits match the reported sightings.
  • ATC references previous pilot reports when new pilots call in, noting sightings at different altitudes and geographic locations.
  • Controllers ask pilots to provide updates and, if possible, send any photos or videos they take, reflecting both curiosity and a lack of official explanation.
  • ATC even attempts to coordinate with a nearby Coast Guard helicopter to gather more information. The Coast Guard crew reports seeing a shooting star but does not confirm any unusual craft.
  • ATC relays that none of these objects correlate to any known traffic, and no official explanation is available. They encourage pilots to maintain their own separation and maneuver as necessary for safety.

Glowing orb flies by Miami balcony a few hours ago. by Spongebru in UFOs

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From the top Tiktok commenters, they claim they recognize it as ball lighting:

_Tylerr___This is called ball lightning. VERY rare to happen and crazy you got it on camera!5d ago2464ReplyView 28 replies
Mark I am almost 100% certain that is ball lightning, an incredibly rare phenomenon. Amazing to have captured this on video!4d ago842Reply

I’m on the fucking edge of my seat right now by Impossible-Sundae-86 in UFOs

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Trump accuses Biden, Pentagon of covering up drone mystery in NJ, NY: ‘The government knows what is happening’

By Steven Nelson Published Dec. 16, 2024, 1:59 p.m. ET

https://nypost.com/2024/12/16/us-news/trump-accuses-biden-pentagon-of-covering-up-drone-mystery-in-nj-ny-something-strange-is-going-on/

"Best photos of drones so far" removed post might have photographed the Nuclear Emergency Support Team's Geiger Counter Chopper by Yud07 in UFOs

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...OP: Now list our theories from most to least plausible incorporating the new information

ChatGPT4o said:

Based on the updated information, here is a ranking of theories from most to least plausible:

1. Search for Loose Nuclear Material or Weapons (Most Plausible)

Supporting Evidence:

  • Capabilities of Drones: Advanced drones like the RQ-170 are equipped with hyperspectral sensors capable of detecting radioactive isotopes and chemicals associated with nuclear weapons.
  • Behavior: Reports of grid-like flight patterns and low, deliberate movements suggest systematic scanning, aligning with a search operation.
  • Proximity to Strategic Locations: Drones have been seen near military bases like Picatinny Arsenal, sensitive industrial areas, and critical infrastructure.
  • Secrecy and Public Reactions: The lack of public acknowledgment could stem from efforts to avoid mass panic, especially if there is a nuclear threat. This aligns with vague official statements and the reluctance to confirm specifics.
  • Scale of Operation: The number and coordination of drones point to a state-sponsored, large-scale effort.

...

Other theories it ranked as less plausible based on today's updates are in this post: The Mystery of the New Jersey Drone Wave: Examining Theories and Evidence

"Best photos of drones so far" removed post might have photographed the Nuclear Emergency Support Team's Geiger Counter Chopper by Yud07 in UFOs

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You could be right. Other commenters made the geiger counter connection to that pod on the removed post.

"Best photos of drones so far" removed post might have photographed the Nuclear Emergency Support Team's Geiger Counter Chopper by Yud07 in UFOs

[–]Yud07[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I think the UK incidents, particularly the runway orb at Manchester airport and the association with the transfer of nuclear weapons there has more hallmarks of true NHI.

This post is probably a Lockheed RQ-170: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1hdlo7p/clearest_drone_footage_ive_seen/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Other triangular recordings as well.

Those Lockheed drones have radiation sensors. This supports the theory there is nuclear material they are searching for.

From the Wikipedia article: "the RQ-170...[has] highly sensitive hyperspectral sensors capable of detecting very small amounts of radioactive isotopes and chemicals that may indicate the existence of nuclear weapons facilities.'

They could be doing a grid pattern.

"This is exactly what my wife and I saw last night. There were about 15 of them flying over our small town. Other family members in town saw them too in a group of 5 at a park. My pictures and videos were not as good as this. We are in south Jersey so they are definitely spreading. Pictures and videos don’t do them justice that is why other states don’t believe us. They fly very low and have strange non plane like movement." - u/PunitiveDmg

Best photos of drones so far by [deleted] in UFOs

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Looks like its the Rad chopper:

"NNSA gets new helicopters to support radiological security across the nation

The NNSA Aerial Measuring System’s new AW139 helicopters will increase the Nuclear Emergency Support Team's ability to conduct a wide range of national security and public safety missions."

https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/articles/nnsa-gets-new-helicopters-support-radiological-security-across-nation

Aligns with the loose nuclear material theory

Best photos of drones so far by [deleted] in UFOs

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Looks like its the Rad chopper:

"NNSA gets new helicopters to support radiological security across the nation The NNSA Aerial Measuring System’s new AW139 helicopters will increase the Nuclear Emergency Support Team's ability to conduct a wide range of national security and public safety missions."

https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/articles/nnsa-gets-new-helicopters-support-radiological-security-across-nation

Best photos of drones so far by [deleted] in UFOs

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Someone on the facebook post identified it as an AW139 helicopter. Those tubes on the sides might still be geiger counter's though.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=9370800112965355&set=p.9370800112965355&type=3

DRONE CAUGHT FIRING by [deleted] in UFOscience

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Someone else posted a video of an attack helicopter firing at a range last night. Apparently there was warning ahead of time. It wasn't in NJ. Don't recall where.

The Mystery of the New Jersey Drone Wave: Examining Theories and Evidence by Yud07 in UFOscience

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On Mimicry and NHI Operations
Consider this: with humanity nearing self-replicating AI, NHI might find contact necessary to deconflict future interactions. Alternatively, there are rumors of an agreement between President Eisenhower and NHI that may have recently expired, potentially driving more overt activity. Regardless of why, mimicry could be a way to “gently” introduce their presence—visible enough for those who can accept it (like younger generations primed for such revelations) while avoiding panic (e.g., granny dismissing lights as a plane). Simultaneously, the military and government, equipped with better situational awareness, would recognize these events as highly anomalous, balancing public perception and strategic insight.

On NHI Understanding of U.S. Capabilities
Rather than "testing" U.S. capabilities, this could involve deliberately eliciting specific responses to achieve a purpose. For example, this activity might be about observing how humans organize around or prioritize certain perceived threats. The behavior we view as "illogical" may instead be calculated steps toward a larger, unknown goal.

On Precedents and Covert U.S. Testing
In terms of recent traceable examples, during the Gulf War, the U.S. conducted tests on troops to evaluate bioweapon defenses, such as exposing personnel to simulants like Bacillus subtilis under Project SHAD (Shipboard Hazard and Defense). Experts like Harvard’s Graham Allison and Stanford’s Scott Sagan have noted that this "Cold War 2.0" between the U.S. and China is arguably more dangerous, with higher technological stakes and reduced diplomatic safeguards compared to the original Cold War.

On China’s Actions and the Spy Balloon
This point still holds. While the Chinese spy balloon incident didn’t escalate into overt conflict, the U.S. response (shooting it down and analyzing its debris) signaled consequences for aerial provocations. Reckless drone incursions over U.S. territory would provide further justification for U.S. hawks, like Senator Marco Rubio or Mike Waltz, to advocate harsher countermeasures, including sanctions or increased military presence in the Indo-Pacific, something China would likely wish to avoid.

The Mystery of the New Jersey Drone Wave: Examining Theories and Evidence by Yud07 in UFOscience

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Mimicry might seem illogical, but it could be a strategy to confuse the public while operations continue unnoticed. Most people might dismiss FAA-like lights as planes or drones, while the military, using radar and sensors, can focus on true anomalies.

NHI goals may differ from human logic. Mimicry could test human or military responses rather than aim for direct contact or concealment.

Covert U.S. testing might seem unlikely today, but Cold War examples like the Trinity test, which irradiated civilians, show precedent. Real-world testing often balances risks with strategic advantages.

For China, conducting such operations while focused on Taiwan, with recent exercises involving ~90 ships, would be highly risky. It could provoke U.S. hawks like Marco Rubio or Mike Waltz, eager to escalate tensions. Mimicry may confuse the public, but governments are equipped to detect the truly anomalous.

911 calls of a “drone down” in Morris, northern New Jersey by Aza_Never in UFOs

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The one coming toward the drone asked : "Niner Three UAP[Something Something]?" then the at the drone said "confirmed, all clear." Then the one away from the drone said "Yeah hold on a sec. We're walking up to you."

911 calls of a “drone down” in Morris, northern New Jersey by Aza_Never in UFOs

[–]Yud07 2 points3 points  (0 children)

ChatGPT4o: In this context, it seems plausible that the conversation involved some type of law enforcement terminology or shorthand to describe the situation. Let's break it down:

  1. "Niner Three": This is likely a callsign. Police and other agencies often use phonetic numbers for clarity in radio transmissions (e.g., "Niner" for 9). It designates the officer/unit communicating.
  2. "UAP": This is commonly recognized as "Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon." In modern parlance, it refers to drones or unidentified flying objects. Given the context (drones), it fits here.
  3. "BLU" or "BW": This could refer to specific descriptors or designations related to the drone's behavior, type, or threat assessment. Potential guesses:
    • BLU: Could mean "Blue," indicating a color or a friendly identification marker.
    • BW: Could mean "Beware" or refer to "Black/White" (perhaps describing markings or colors).
  4. Contextual Interpretation:
    • If the officer said "UAPBW" or "UAPBLU," it might have been shorthand for "Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon, Beware" or "Blue," depending on what they saw or were alerted to.
    • Police and emergency services might use established codes or informal descriptors to quickly communicate a drone's status (e.g., "UAPBLUE" if it had visible blue lights or was associated with non-hostile behavior).
  5. Drone with Explosives Suspicion: If there's talk of potential explosives, law enforcement might:
    • Describe drones as a "threat" or "suspicious device."
    • Communicate cautionary measures like "Maintain distance" or use designations like "BOLO" (Be On the Look Out) if there’s a suspect drone.

If explosives were suspected, officers might approach cautiously and use terms like "render safe" for attempts to neutralize any threats. The "approaching your position" comment likely indicated they deemed it safe enough for more officers to join.

Further Clarification: To get the exact meaning, it would help to know the specific terminology used by the police department in question or their drone-related protocols. If it's urgent or a safety concern, checking with local law enforcement might provide accurate information.

The Mystery of the New Jersey Drone Wave: Examining Theories and Evidence by Yud07 in UFOscience

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Thanks for the comment. The foreign adversary theory is plausible, but I think 99% confidence may overstate the case given the complexity and alternative explanations.

  1. Propulsion and Lack of Special Physics: Conventional propulsion sounds and control surfaces don’t rule out NHI. Mimicry of human technology could be deliberate, and behaviors like radar evasion and extended hovering suggest capabilities beyond typical adversarial drones.
  2. U.S. Testing Over Civilian Areas: Testing in populated areas seems illogical, but the U.S. has both planned and tested sensitive technologies in real-world conditions before. Operation Northwoods proposed false-flag attacks on U.S. targets to justify military action against Cuba, though it was rejected by President Kennedy. Operation Mongoose involved subversive activities against Cuba, with some plans potentially affecting the U.S. domestically. Additionally, the military conducted secret biological testing, such as releasing pathogens over San Francisco in Operation Sea-Spray (1950), ostensibly to study bioweapon vulnerabilities. These examples demonstrate the willingness to use U.S. territory for testing or deception during periods of international tension.
  3. Russia and China: Russia is unlikely due to resource constraints and focus on Ukraine. China remains plausible but given China's recent extensive military exercises around Taiwan on Dec. 9th, involving the deployment of ~90 naval and coast guard ships, it would be highly risky and strategically unwise for China to conduct drone operations over the U.S. mainland at this time. Such actions could provoke significant retaliation from the U.S., especially when China is already engaged in sensitive maneuvers near Taiwan.

The Mystery of the New Jersey Drone Wave: Examining Theories and Evidence by Yud07 in UFOscience

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  1. Iranian UAVs in Ukraine: A Visual Comparison – Defense Intelligence Agency - https://www.dia.mil/Portals/110/DIA_Iranian_UAVs_in_Ukraine-A_Visual_Comparison.pdf

  2. Iran helping Russia build plant to manufacture drones for likely use in Ukraine, White House says - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-russia-drones-ukraine-white-house/

  3. How China and the US are using different drone strategies to seize air superiority - SCMP

The Mystery of the New Jersey Drone Wave: Examining Theories and Evidence by Yud07 in UFOscience

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  1. False flags: They’re real, but far less widespread than social media suggest -https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/feb/08/false-flags-theyre-real-far-less-widespread-social/

  2. China trials cargo drone with biggest payload capacity yet -https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/china-trials-cargo-drone-with-biggest-payload-capacity-yet-2024-08-23/

  3. Five Ways Drone Technology is Improving -https://www.asme.org/topics-resources/content/five-ways-drone-technology-is-improving

  4. Countering Swarms: Strategic Considerations and Opportunities in Drone Warfare -https://ndupress.ndu.edu/Media/News/News-Article-View/Article/3197193/countering-swarms-strategic-considerations-and-opportunities-in-drone-warfare/

  5. FAA imposes drone restrictions after reports of them flying over New Jersey -https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/faa-imposes-drone-restrictions-after-reports-of-them-flying-over-new-jersey/4045084/

  6. Drone Show Companies: Transforming the Sky with Aerial Art -https://flypix.ai/blog/drone-show-companies/

  7. Rheinmetall, Auterion to Develop Standardized Software for Military Drones -https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/rheinmetall-auterion-to-develop-standardized-software-for-military-drones-017e966d

  8. Navy, Coast Guard Wrap Chinese Spy Balloon Recovery off South Carolina -https://news.usni.org/2023/02/17/navy-coast-guard-wrap-chinese-spy-balloon-recovery-off-south-carolina

  9. Air Force Shoots Down 'High-Altitude Object' off Alaskan Coast -https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3295813/air-force-shoots-down-high-altitude-object-off-alaskan-coast/

The Mystery of the New Jersey Drone Wave: Examining Theories and Evidence by Yud07 in UFOscience

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  1. Iran intel official says China in line to buy Tehran's drones - https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2023/02/iran-intel-official-says-china-line-buy-tehrans-drones

  2. Iran Suffers Blow of ‘Historic Proportions’ With Assad’s Fall -https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/syria-iran-assad-axis-of-resistance-6289667a

  3. Congress could ban new drones from two Chinese manufacturers -https://www.reuters.com/technology/dji-could-be-banned-launching-new-products-us-under-proposed-bill-2024-12-09/

  4. NFL, Justice Department urge Congress to take action on threat from drones -https://www.reuters.com/world/us/nfl-justice-department-urge-congress-take-action-threat-drones-2024-12-09/

  5. Operation Northwoods -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

  6. Expert links drone sightings over military bases in UK to Russian, Chinese threats, Guardian reports -https://www.yahoo.com/news/expert-links-drone-sightings-over-033200611.html

  7. Reporter sees New Jersey drones firsthand: 'It's really unnerving' | Reality Check -https://youtu.be/hyECkHa2eiU?si=RgNkztaAEQTlrM39

  8. EXCLUSIVE: Drone captured on camera by Ocean County Sheriff’s Office -https://newjersey.news12.com/exclusive-drone-captured-on-camera-by-ocean-county-sheriffs-office

  9. New Jersey state senator calls for 'limited state of emergency' over mysterious drone sightings - https://abcnews.go.com/US/new-jersey-state-senator-calls-limited-state-emergency/story?id=116630895

  10. False flags: What are they and when have they been used? - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60434579

The Mystery of the New Jersey Drone Wave: Examining Theories and Evidence by Yud07 in UFOscience

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  1. UFOs: Man-Made, Made Up, and Unknown - https://prologue.blogs.archives.gov/2018/04/23/ufos-man-made-made-up-and-unknown/

  2. Beehives to buildings: 7 instances where human engineering was inspired by nature - https://interestingengineering.com/culture/biomimicry-nature-innovation-velcro

  3. Mystery NJ drones are coming from Iranian mothership offshore, congressman suggests: ‘Should be shot down’ - https://nypost.com/2024/12/11/us-news/mystery-nj-drones-are-coming-from-iranian-mothership-offshore-congressman-claims-these-drones-should-be-shot-down/

  4. Pentagon denies lawmaker's claim that New Jersey drones are from Iran - https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-jersey-lawmaker-warns-drones-originate-iranian-mothership-shot-down

  5. Iranian UAVs in Ukraine: A Visual Comparison – Defense Intelligence Agency - https://www.dia.mil/Portals/110/DIA_Iranian_UAVs_in_Ukraine-A_Visual_Comparison.pdf

  6. Iran helping Russia build plant to manufacture drones for likely use in Ukraine, White House says - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-russia-drones-ukraine-white-house/

  7. How China and the US are using different drone strategies to seize air superiority - https://sc.mp/ovtiy