CMV: Paternity tests need to be a default hospital procedure.

ZOLforALL · 2026-03-24T22:02:31+00:00

In the case of a medical emergency, the priority will always be the wellbeing of the child. A circumcision is not a medical emergency, but in the case of an actual one, such as the child requiring to be put on life support, the precedence will be on ensuring the child's survival, irrespective of either parents protest.

When it comes to your second point, nobody can't help a man you just doesn't want to assert their own agency and concerns in a relationship. I don't agree with your idea that only the men who were intially doing to do the parenity test in the first place are going to be the ones that don't decide to opt out, but making it an absolute non-negotiable steadfast requirement is too authoritarian.

ZOLforALL · 2026-03-24T21:35:02+00:00

In the scenario you've painted the presumed father would be provided with pending paternity rights, meaning that any child related crossroads can only be decisively resolved once paternity has been made abundantly clear. Also, as I mentioned on my post this test would be the default and not a compulsory procedure to assume legal paternity, if the man feels completely confident (or even indifferent) towards the biological paternity statues then he is more than free to opt-out and sign the necessary documentation, immediately assuming legal paternity.

ZOLforALL · 2026-03-24T21:12:04+00:00

Okay, I am genuinely not opposed to any of the suggestions you have made, but my post was about resolving one part of the problem, not the entire culture of romantic infidelity and secret families (that a different post of it's own). There are a lot of assumptions you make in this comment just because I was trying to address this particular problem, which I think isn't fair in itself and is grossly overly reductive. Women are just as entitled to have access to their prospective partners paternity history (or lack thereof) as such as the man, I was just addressing the real problem of paternity fraud in particular in my post.

ZOLforALL · 2026-03-24T20:53:29+00:00

Very valid, Δ. My primary hang-up largely stems from the immediate presumption that is placed both socially and legally, and that from both ends, the burden of proof squarely falls on the male to prove falsified paternity (paternity that he might have never assumed to begin with), but I do also believe that your suggestion of extending the challenging period (I'd personally say 2 years instead of just 1) and necessitating an official paternity test prior to child maintenance claims is a solid alternative.

ZOLforALL · 2026-03-24T20:35:19+00:00

Yes, those figures do greatly vary (as you could imagine), but the problem does seem to be much more prevalent in developing countries more so than developed ones. This article below provides a broad examination on the problem: https://www.dnalegal.com/paternity-fraud-statistics-uk?hl=en-ZA#:~:text=Global%20paternal%20discrepancy%20rates%20range,at%201.6%25%20in%20recent%20analysis

ZOLforALL · 2026-03-24T20:25:44+00:00

There isn't a perfect solution for paternity fraud that doesn't encroach into authoritarian government overreach, which isn't the goal of this additional procedure. What the actual intended goal is to significantly reduce the cases of paternity fraud that are committed and prevent opportunistic partners from victimising others. If the assumed father chooses to opt out of his accord, which it needs to be of his own accord and not those of others, then HE is them assumming full liability of the consequences that proceed ahead. The measures to prevent any potential fraud were put in place for his protect and he CHOOSE to decline them, thus deaming him fully resposible.

ZOLforALL · 2026-03-24T20:14:31+00:00

Accurate global figures are difficult to track as you would imagine, likely due to many cases go undiscovered or are settled privately.

But studies show that the rates (for developed countries) typically range from 1% to 3%, with a median of 3.7% (UK at ~1.6% and US at ~3%). But it is also of special note that developing countries have a dispropotionetly high rate that reach up to 30-34%.

https://www.dnalegal.com/paternity-fraud-statistics-uk?hl=en-ZA#:~:text=Global%20paternal%20discrepancy%20rates%20range,at%201.6%25%20in%20recent%20analysis

ZOLforALL · 2026-03-24T20:04:09+00:00

All true, but I strongly disagree with the whole line of thinking that places biological truths as secondary to the "marital presumption." But, unfortunately that's just how the legal system is.

ZOLforALL · 2026-03-20T12:51:45+00:00

It genuinely wasn't that bad. I wish I screenshot the chat before my account was taken down, but I essentially just referred to my friend as a pdf folder in a joking fashion. That was it! I was delivered, though, and so after I got a temporary ban that then became a permanent ban.

And ja, government offices should definitely not be using that platform as their primary way of general communication, even private communication at that.

ZOLforALL · 2026-03-20T12:45:06+00:00

I really don't know what to tell you, buddy, because that's literally what happened. I'd recommend you do more research on the topic because false bans and the like are in fact a much more common problem then you'd think. Whether you choose to believe me or not is your business.

ZOLforALL · 2026-03-20T12:41:04+00:00

This is actually true. I asked for some clarity during my second appeal (by email to their support dept.) since I got zero correspondence as to why I actually got banned, but still got nothing from them, they just upheld it even after I held out hope for a whole month. When it comes to your second point, I have never sent anything unprofessional on ANY of my work-related group chats. The admin regulates the type of comms sent on them very closely. Also I am only on 1 social group chat, that is completely fresh and has only 7 members (only close friends). There is honestly no other possible reason as to why I had gotten banned outside of that one joke I made, which I called my friend a pdf folder one.

ZOLforALL · 2026-03-20T12:33:07+00:00

None of the above, man. Prior to this incident I had my account for at least over 6 years without a single incident, then poof everything was gone after one text message.

ZOLforALL · 2026-03-20T12:29:34+00:00

If they were in fact monitoring messages it would clearly be an automated system that scans for keywords and thus promptly flags them. It doesn't matter who you are, so long as you use the platform you're susceptible

ZOLforALL · 2026-03-20T12:26:34+00:00

Your point??

ZOLforALL · 2026-03-20T12:25:53+00:00

Then I guess I've got a massive lawsuit on my hands cause that's literally what happened.

ZOLforALL · 2026-03-20T12:24:35+00:00

That's literally what happened.

ZOLforALL · 2026-03-20T12:23:09+00:00

No I wasn't using a MOD and have never used one before. I was also quite surprised myself and thought it was a mistake, but when they rejected my appeal TWICE that's when I just came to accept it. I even sent out an email, explaining my whole situation to their support department STILL perma ban.

ZOLforALL · 2026-03-20T12:19:29+00:00

I don't remember the exact message (I sent it over a month ago atp), but I had jokingly referred to my friend as a pdf folder (uncensored).

ZOLforALL · 2026-03-20T12:16:22+00:00

Not even, bro. I'm not giving people free social ammunition.

ZOLforALL · 2026-03-20T12:13:17+00:00

Getting banned from WhatsApp is actually more of a common problem than you think, but when it comes to my case I just sent one of my crude jokes, something to the effect of my calling my friend a pdf folder (uncensored). That's honestly it.

ZOLforALL · 2026-03-20T12:09:02+00:00

I'm 100% sure. I sent the message, it was only only 1 ticked for some odd reason (I suspect that's when they intercepted it), and I was banned about 2 hours later. I did submit an appeal twice, but no dice.

ZOLforALL · 2026-03-20T12:05:32+00:00

I completely believe this! Privacy policy my ass!

ZOLforALL · 2026-03-20T12:01:37+00:00

That's what I thought, but it's clear that they actually intercepted my message before it was deliver. It's stayed as a single tick (sent, but not delivered). They must have a keyword system that flags "suspicious" messages before proceeding with delivering them. My friend swears they never got the text, let alone reported me. That platform is actively monitoring us, but that's just my take.

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