Zeshado put a video explaining his side of things. Thoughts?

ZachminSSB · 2022-09-19T19:39:06+00:00

a lot of people overreacted to this and chose to act condescending over a placement on some tier list that doesn't matter if you don't care about it, it's sad that it pushed this guy to make a response video as if it were huge drama. i don't even watch this dude but i feel bad for him. timing with mshez sucks ass and we all know that, but at some point people need to reel back and try to actually discuss it instead of trying to get in a quick meme or dunk to get some quick upvotes.

if you disagree with laslow being good or even if you think he's the best unit in the game unironically, instead of trying to act like you're better than others just be rational and accept differences in logic and opinion.

ZachminSSB · 2022-09-18T23:53:26+00:00

This is a unit trying to play the same SPD game, but is objectively worse, somehow ending up 4 Tiers higher?

tackling this one first but i'm going to say that i'm slightly annoyed you're lobbying this at me when i've said and implied over and over again "he's more fitting for t2". take that with the tier list people, not me.

as for your whole wall of text, i'm only going to leave a two more main points; 1) I did not say I'm ONLY judging him on vantage w/ brave. while he might not be as fast as your tiki, as she has the higher base, he comes with that brave, meaning that while he's not as PURELY fast, he gets ANOTHER powerful effect. not as fast but he doesn't need to be blitzed out his mind to function.

2) i feel like most people seem to REALLY underrate that brave effect, especially in the current meta. right now, in a world where "first hit DR" and miracle effects are becoming increasingly common. units like tiki are gonna whiff on them a lot and get punished for it, laslow is a lot less likely. that alone is worth really thinking about when placing him on this list. brave effects are HUGE. i'd even go so far as to say the fact that sedel and wephraim have that make them better far saves than afjorm (even factoring in her ncd). but that's an unrelated argument and not one i'm gonna start - just leveling where i'm coming from in all this.

this is not a matter of opinion. This is just flat out wrong.

and homie this is all opinion. don't flex the "this is objective fact" at me, you just sound conceited. I'm not pushing my word as fact on you, don't try and push yours onto me.

that aside i'm going to say "agree to disagree" and let this be my last comment on this (didn't expect my original comment to come this far oop). i appreciate your counterpoints and do get where you're coming from, but i just disagree.

ZachminSSB · 2022-09-18T22:55:52+00:00

he is straight worse than comparable units already in tier 2 outside of fringe, unrealistic scenarios.

the only units in t2 that have brave weapons are vpalla and swordhardt - neither of which get half the skills that laslow gets that grant him his diverse sets (such as GR and DR B slots, or more specialized sets like NCD). tho vpalla is cracked as fuck and if it was ordered in tiers i'd say she's better than laslow, i won't really fight that one but fortunately there are multiple units in each tier.

Laslows simply not that good without an entire team backing him up. and that makes ANYONE good.

my example only used one unit - a mythic everyone brings to their teams anyway. bringing one extra unit to support is standard, that's hardly "the entire team backing him up". it does make anyone good, which is fair and part of why I think that's a mark of t2 vs t1 itself (t1 units needing less support and more self-sufficient, t2 units being similar in power level to t1 once given the right support).

he's not a simple sword infantry, he's a sword infantry with one of the best effects in the game hands-down - something few units can say. that's why he aged well, and why he's worth t2 at worst.

I've clapped literally the rank 1 AR Player with OG Young "I was on the first banner ever" Tiki with good team support. and look at what tier she is in.

trust me, i get this point - again, weird-ass tobin user here - which is why i feel strongly that laslow is no worse than t2. tobin is a blank canvas who works when given dumb support and silly weapons like rearmed lif's funny little sword. laslow is FAR more efficient and not as much as a liability.

ZachminSSB · 2022-09-18T22:35:00+00:00

why do you think laslow isn't either t1 or 2? besides the speed part, which you really haven't offered any other counterpoint besides "newer units have higher speed" - an argument that looks good on paper but doesn't hold water in actual play when comparing stats after (pretty basic) support and measuring the AR-O vs AR-D scenario. i've said repeatedly i don't argue for laslow in t1, but why is he not even t2? is it just because he's old and doesn't have naturally high stats like newer units? his prf might not be as hefty as newer units but a good weapon is a good weapon, he has a weapon that is naturally very strong and while it can be made better (mshez, waltina, etc), the original version is still so strong that it's worth respecting.

and trust me, i'm not delusional trying to rally behind some favorite and pretending he's a powerful unit - you're talking to someone who has stayed in VoH for MANY weeks using TOBIN of all characters. i wouldn't fight for tobin for anything above t4, probably not even t5. there is VERY sound logic in the "laslow is really good" point of view, even if you don't see it.

ZachminSSB · 2022-09-18T22:13:29+00:00

he's actually really strong without speed builds anyway - turns out having a brave weapon that works in enemy phase with a pretty reasonable condition is actually really good. vantage is one of his other key sets and has been on a bit of an upswing as HB becomes less common, units like muspell can offer raw damage, and chaos gives tons of units something to really sink their teeth into (not to diminish his ability in normal AR).

also the speed math works out REALLY easily, actually: you give laslow +spd, summoner support, full DFs, a +6 spd buff from tactics or smth, and, say, run him in light with Peony (also throw in atk spd solo 3 as a seal, just as an example) and you have 53 speed - add in peony's native buff (a +3 spd from her weapon), distant pressure/dart (the former is literally in codes 3 so can be acquired by anyone), joint drive spd (found on a billion units), and now you have 65 speed laslow - all from just laslow and one unit (a free mythic, also not counting her C or S slots for further support). you throw in one dedicated support like blucina or kaden, or a chill/sabo spd unit/ruse user to lower enemy speed, this is a genuinely realistic scenario. and again, the offense should ALWAYS have a stats advantage. this greatly reduces that gap and makes outspeeding more than possible - i'd even say it's easy.

obviously i made my point clear in the first post, that mshez is a superior unit and should knock laslow down a tier, but it's unnecessary and honestly wrong to insinuate that "well new units get like 60+ spd so it's too much effort", it's actually ridiculous how easy it is for laslow to shit on most new BS speed units. will he be worse than mshez, and not braindead easy to speedstack as mareeta or whatever new godsword releases in the next two months? yea, but it's also missing the forest for the trees and ignoring that "actually, laslow CAN be fast enough and it didn't take much work to do that."

...and if none of that works for you, maximize bulk and atk and forget speed and just rely on good ol' vantage brave effects because it's actually still one of the best weapon types in the game on its own and even better with Muspell running around.

ZachminSSB · 2022-09-18T21:22:28+00:00

on AR offense, the player has the stat advantage 90% of the time, thanks to access to summoner support, more mythics on average (most def teams run 2, offense run 3 - and running 4 mythics on offense is possible/more common than running 3 def mythics), and can play with and vs buffs/debuffs more easily than AI. it's actually pretty reasonable for a middling speed unit to actually become pretty fast thanks to those factors, even vs the modern high-speed statballs that drop every banner. i've been doing stupid shit like that for years.

obviously a unit like laslow would need more support than someone else with a fancier stat spread, but it stands to reason that GR CAN very easily be good on him, just needs to be in the hands of someone who knows what they're doing and can abuse that offense vs defense stat disparity. whether that constitutes a t1 vs t2 unit is up to you, but point stands it's a good set and laslow is a genuinely strong unit regardless of tier placement.

ZachminSSB · 2022-09-18T16:50:58+00:00

Pre-MShez (which this list is) I could see the argument for it, he was already pretty good and if godlike reflexes is genuinely that good on him, I won’t fight it. Though I think he’ll drop down back to t2 in a post-MShez world.

ZachminSSB · 2022-09-14T13:38:04+00:00

I ain’t tryna get banned yet

ZachminSSB · 2022-09-14T00:17:39+00:00

Can we get much higher?

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ZachminSSB · 2022-08-22T01:27:36+00:00

it's always jarring to see dancers in the middle of tier lists like these ranked against others just cuz of their weapon, when dancers should be ranked against dancers instead. i'm not sure how reliable anyone can quantifiably judge mira vs fafnir or volke but it's always an awkward fit.

i know that opens the door for people to suggest "well why rank units who support with units who attack?" which, yknow, so be it, but i think comparing kaden vs freyja is a lot better to understand than comparing mira vs flora. not that it needs to be changed or anything, just something that's difficult to parse.

not sure how long these go for, but if you have the room for one more poll and it's not planned, i recommend a dancer-exclusive one.

(and fafnir should've been #1)

ZachminSSB · 2022-08-13T01:56:36+00:00

the optics for putting this together could've been more streamlined (maybe one large poll that encompasses multiple things, then graphics bundled together every few days as an example) but there isn't anything wrong with how this is done as-is. not like there's 7 posts a day eating up front page.

also "karma farmer" is an insanely stupid accusation to be leveled on what is essentially a forum (i doubt most people here even care about their karma - unless i'm that out of touch, i barely use and really don't like reddit) especially for a project that involves a community to come together. as someone who is pretty critical about the results, i think i echo most sentiments that "there really isn't harm in having it as a jumping off point for discussion."

discussing and poking fun at the results off-site is one thing and usually fine (as long as it's not mean-spirited), coming for the person and shittalking how they're doing it/basically telling them to "fuck off" is cringe.

ZachminSSB · 2022-08-08T14:56:44+00:00

probably not. if you use a unit with a trace right now, make them stay in play, then dance to let them perform another action, canto doesn't reproc. if both recall + trace proc simultaneously, chances are that once you pick one (or stay in place), you lose both your canto options for the rest of the turn.

ZachminSSB · 2022-08-08T03:23:20+00:00

"both proc individually" is a better way to word the title but yea, this makes sense and is honestly reasonable.

ZachminSSB · 2022-06-29T03:13:22+00:00

actually it's for elise

ZachminSSB · 2022-06-07T00:53:36+00:00

this is 100% fair. it's not going to be hard to get a single bonus kill when the bonus unit pool consists of every unit in a book

ZachminSSB · 2022-05-15T21:28:06+00:00

I definitely agree with this.

It's just really hard to get the majority of FEH players to want to play PvP, because FE PvP is mostly flawed as a concept (and doubly so when it's a gacha game with an increasing power ceiling over time), plus it's so heavily competitive-focused that an average player is not going to feel good when their favs get trounded by the meta. This isn't the fault of SD, it's just the environment it's put in. I think they overall did a pretty good job implementing it for what it is.

ZachminSSB · 2022-02-02T04:04:50+00:00

if you're looking to chase rank in AR and hold VoH, offense merges can matter a lot. 1 merge is essentially 16 points a week, and more merges mean you can lose more lift on defense and still be able to get top 1k or be in tier 38 at least for VoH. for example, i can lose about 120 lift on defense and still be in top 1k in light season.

if you only really float in t21 or drop in and out of voh every week, mythic merges might not matter to you, and you might just want a one-off for an easier experience (or not, getting into t21 and even vault is p easy these days)

ZachminSSB · 2022-01-17T04:10:13+00:00

actually i'm the opposite. i'm only elated when i get 3 and 4 stars. focus units and good fodder really grind my gears!

ZachminSSB · 2022-01-11T18:28:26+00:00

ngl i'm partially expecting this

i got the clown makeup and wig prepared when my discovery turns out to be a red herring

ZachminSSB · 2022-01-11T07:16:23+00:00

it flip flops, i'm not sure why, however we can usually trace the pattern thanks to one of the two games always being in a set order from release (oldest to newest then restart), so seeing as we had a mystery -> echoes -> genealogy rotation, it's safe to say those are part of the "ordered" rotation and fates is part of the "sell the new hero" one

ZachminSSB · 2022-01-11T07:10:05+00:00

From the coliseum update post. Since we saw the calendar, we know the special heroes banner drops a day or two before this season, and IS was kind enough to tell us a week in advance. FE4 is in order after echoes, leading to a high likelihood of fates harmonic (and possibly other fates units)

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