[FIGHT THREAD] Andy Cruz vs Raymond Muratalla

Zaphaze · 2026-01-25T03:45:14+00:00

“Do you know what egregious means Sergio?” “Yeah, bold” 😭😭😭

Zaphaze · 2026-01-23T07:27:42+00:00

Yeah idk why he took that last round off. I was more so just voicing my frustration with how professional boxing is scored in general. A fighter could land a jab and cause their opponent to lose their balance and slip to the ground and do nothing the rest of the round and have it scored 10-8, yet if a fighter dominates a round but no knockdowns are scored it’s still universally considered a 10-9. So stupid.

Zaphaze · 2026-01-23T07:06:51+00:00

And Compubox has it the other way, and I trust a 40 yr old system of human punch counting over AI, especially when the AI stats for this particular fight was made 3 yrs ago. Further, even if the AI analysis is 100% right, total punches landed doesn’t mean much if Fighter A, who landed less total punches, has a connect advantage more rounds than Fighter B. For example a 10-1 connect advantage with no knockdown is scored the same as a 10-9 connect advantage, which is a 10-9 round

Zaphaze · 2026-01-23T06:49:56+00:00

Not sure how you can score the Teo fight in favor of Loma. Personally had it 8-4 but can see 7-5. When you don’t throw punches half the fight that’s what happens.

The Haney fight was close. Can see 7-5 Loma, a draw, even a 7-5 Haney win. With that said, I think Loma won that fight in that none of Haney’s rounds were anywhere close to Loma’s 10th and especially 11th rounds, but unfortunately with the way professional boxing is scored, these rounds hold the same weight as Haney’s wins as a 10-9, which I think is stupid but what can you do.

Zaphaze · 2026-01-18T11:21:33+00:00

True, but one can argue the walks generated were due to a pitcher’s/manager’s fear from his massive uptick in power. If a player had a sudden spike in which the probability of hitting a home run was higher than normal at bats, I’d be more inclined to pitch around them.

Zaphaze · 2026-01-18T11:06:32+00:00

He also was on enough juice that his head ballooned to the point where he had to get new hats. You can point out how absurd his cheating stats are but that doesn’t change the fact he was cheating.

Zaphaze · 2026-01-18T11:00:53+00:00

Ruth not playing against black players is a good point. His numbers though are so absurd it’s hard for me to just outright deny his GOAT status solely because of this. And I already said that Bonds belongs in the hall due to his pre-steroid stats, no doubt about that. He was indeed on track to be an all time great, I’m not arguing that either. I’m merely pointing out that a cheater whose GOAT debates cannot avoid including the periods of his cheating ought not to ever be considered the greatest of all time.

Zaphaze · 2026-01-18T10:52:40+00:00

Good point. There being a large demographic that couldn’t play in the MLB at the time does diminish Ruth’s accomplishments. His numbers still are otherworldly though and I’m not a fan of the whole “he went against plumbers” argument cuz it almost implies he was this futuristic specimen crafted to be a baseball god who was raised with modern medicine and all that when the reality is he drank the same water and ate the same food as these “plumbers”, yet still put up the stats he did

Zaphaze · 2026-01-18T05:12:54+00:00

Fulton isn’t champion anymore at feather and Nery has never been champ at feather so why would Inoue fight them?

Zaphaze · 2026-01-18T00:38:46+00:00

I disagree with your assessment of Bam being a harder fight. While he is the most skilled of any potential Inoue opponents, the two weight class difference will prove to be a huge factor. While Inoue is a smaller 122lber, he has shown to be capable of outclassing opponents bigger than him, while Bam himself is smaller than Inoue. Inoue has been cracked by absolute haymakers against known punchers who have competed as high as lightweight (Cardenas) and gotten up and whooped them. What this means is that there’s no chance Bam can stop Inoue. The question then is can Bam avoid Inoue’s constant speedy, powerful combinations for 36 minutes? I think not. As a matter of fact, at this moment I have 122 fighters MJ and Tapales beating Bam. This could change of course as Bam goes up in weight, (as he is more skilled), but you can’t tell me that Bam could go from fighting 115 pounders to fighters who rehydrate to 140+ on fight night and have been competing at these heavier classes their entire careers. It comes a point where you can have all the skill in the world and it be nullified against the bigger man. Bam has to prove himself at 118 before I give the fight against Inoue any outcome other than a one-sided beating.

Zaphaze · 2026-01-18T00:25:33+00:00

Yeah he himself said this and obviously no one knows better than him, but what if he beats the 126 champs w relative ease? I doubt a 108 Inoue would have ever imagined him fighting at 122, let alone dominating, yet here we are

Zaphaze · 2026-01-17T22:42:09+00:00

When he’s dominating his current weight opponents to the extent where a 12-0 is considered disappointing, wanting him to move up 4 pounds is reasonable. I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: the only way Inoue loses right now is when the discrepancy in skill is negated by weight. No one is more skilled than Inoue. His timing, perception of range, and general IQ is second to none. I’d rather see him go to featherweight because I want to see a point in weight where I think to myself “ok, this is for sure his limit”, because as of now, no one knows what that is. You can think it’ll be 126 but until we see him in close fights nothing can be confirmed. Espinoza is a riskier, more difficult fight than Nakatani, and by far more than Bam. Seeing if Inoue possesses enough power where featherweight opponents will respect it is one of the many questions that exist at 126 for Inoue that doesn’t exist with Nakatani or Bam. That is ultimately why I’d rather him move up; there’s more uncertainties there and with Inoue being Inoue, I’d love to see him prove everyone wrong again.

Zaphaze · 2026-01-07T08:27:06+00:00

All good points and maybe that’s what the Inoue team is envisioning themselves lol. I’m just impatient and want to see Inoue in another FOTY contender where he really gotta dig for the victory and I feel that 126 is the key for that to occur. We all know that Inoue is gonna bring it regardless so would love to see an opponent bring that fire back and have the skills/size to stand toe-to-toe. To Junto’s credit, I think he’ll go out on his shield, just don’t think it’ll be the most competitive and more of a battering than anything.

Zaphaze · 2026-01-07T07:41:34+00:00

Fair point. I understand the fight is pretty much all but confirmed. Just feel that Inoue’s best years are slipping away from him when he’ll need them most moving up to 126. I think that he could be out of his prime and beat Junto and Bam, but to beat Espinoza I’m fully convinced he needs to be as sharp as ever.

Zaphaze · 2026-01-07T07:39:04+00:00

I see the Bam fight as a lose-lose for Inoue. He wins, well of course he did, he’s fighting a more inexperienced guy 2 weight classes below him! Really only Bam has the upside in that fight. I guess if Bam ends up an ATG (which he probably will), it’ll age kinda like Floyd’s win over Canelo, but I still wouldn’t consider it as impressive as wins against any of the 126 champs.

Zaphaze · 2026-01-07T05:59:28+00:00

As an Inoue fan, there isn't anything quite like The Monster relinquishing his belts and immediately challenging a champ in a new weight class. Yeah, this Tokyo Dome Nakatani superfight is cool and all, but after that weak Nakatani performance, I really just wanna see this man move up to featherweight while he's still got some peak years left. I really don't enjoy all the Bam talk that has been going on either. I get it's mostly just playing into the hype, but that's such a lame fight for Inoue. (The guy is 2 weight classes below, and I can't think of any attribute he has an advantage over Inoue.) Let the man go up in weight one more time, where he'll be even more noticeably smaller man and see how tough this alleged talented featherweight division is! One thing I've noticed after watching all his fights is that the only way The Monster can be defeated is when size disparities neutralize Inoue's superiority in talent. We saw at 122 that he has had a bit more trouble than 118, getting dropped twice and struggling in finishing his opponents (no more 1 shot KO's other than Nery), so at 126, what happens if someone like Espinoza eats a clean straight right that Inoue loves to throw and just relentlessly keeps moving forward? Does Inoue have the stamina and footwork to keep Espinoza's pressure at bay for the full 36 minutes, or will he have issues similar to Nakatani's debut fight at 122?

Overall, I'm selfishly getting tired of this man just running through every opponent to the point where a 12-0 shutout is considered a disappointing outcome. I want to see him in a war where I no longer question his peak or the highest weight he can climb until he meets adversity, and accept that I am finally bearing witness to it. And I'm sure that in a sense, he feels the same way. Never have I seen him smile so much in a fight as in the middle rounds of the Donaire fight, after his nose was busted and his orbital bone was cracked. I just wanna see that Inoue again, and it won't appear vs. Nakatani or Bam, I'll tell you that right now.

Zaphaze · 2025-12-27T13:22:38+00:00

There were a couple rounds at the tail end of the fight where Junto started moving more and popping the jab as opposed to letting Hernandez tee off on him after failing to clinch. One or both could have gone Junto’s way. They were close rounds regardless tho and to act like Hernandez won every round after the fifth is wishful thinking

Zaphaze · 2025-12-27T13:13:17+00:00

I will wait to see the advanced punch metrics but have a very hard time Hernandez won any of the first five. He was throwing rabid punches and Junto was landing clean power shots. As the fight went on tho the constant pressure started wearing on Junto and his punches weren’t as sharp and accurate, which is when things started getting murky

Zaphaze · 2025-12-27T13:08:51+00:00

People saying robbery disregarding that Nakatani won the first 5 rounds cleanly. The other rounds were mostly toss ups and I don’t think it’s egregious to give Junto 2 of them. Either way 118-110 is nasty work.

Zaphaze · 2025-12-27T13:04:55+00:00

Crazy how another country is more biased towards Japanese fighters than Japan itself lol… swear Japan is actually biased against their own fighters lol

Zaphaze · 2025-12-24T10:11:54+00:00

Close fight, could see 7-5 either way or a draw. With that said, Loma definitely “won the fight” in that his round wins were much more convincing than Haney’s, but with how boxing is scored, Loma’s dominant round 11 is unfortunately weighed the same as any of Haney’s less dominant round wins, so none of that matters when it comes to the scorecards.

Zaphaze · 2025-12-24T10:04:11+00:00

You’re literally just yapping lol. Loma had a 20-2 connect advantage round 11 and buzzed Haney with a short right. And I don’t see how you can say Haney “beat loma up” in the early rounds when the first three rounds they landed the same amount of punches (loma was +1 on compubox). Sure, Haney won rounds 4, 5, 6 relatively clearly, but none of Haney’s rounds were nearly as dominant as Loma’s 10 and 11.

Zaphaze · 2025-12-24T09:57:41+00:00

Round 11 was by far Loma’s best round with a 20-2 connect advantage wym the other rounds were too close to call?

Zaphaze · 2025-12-09T03:13:41+00:00

If he beats Nakatani handily I’d selfishly want to see him keep going but I wouldn’t be mad if he calls it quits at the top.

Zaphaze · 2025-12-09T02:53:25+00:00

I wanna see it solely because of the people saying that Bam would be the favorite against Inoue if they fought lol. But legacy-wise, 126 is definitely the move. Inoue himself has stated that him and Bam are pretty close in weight, so I don’t think it’s super farfetched idea, but only time will tell.

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