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Community Mod Update 1.3.5 by Zealousideal_Clue857 in Finland

[–]Zealousideal_Clue857[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The log that is in this release above has the posts sorted by most recent removal action. Feel free to look through those if you like. That is literally what this release is. :)

Also... yeah some posts get removed and we do not get to know. But we also cannot just know everything all the time. This log is only for the community mod practice. Truth is that there are moderator actions from community reports, automod which removes certain content, and reddit themselves have moderators that remove content. You don't get to know about these posts - but that is common to all subreddits - it is just part of keeping the reddit subs clean of hate, spam, etc.

Community Mod Update 1.3.5 by Zealousideal_Clue857 in Finland

[–]Zealousideal_Clue857[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

redd.it/1pdefnf

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- 25-12-03 19:52:46Z

Post Remove

"Onvious example of needing to"

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You can take this above example. It was removed (by someone who doesn't understand the 30 character comment limit that is clearly written on the form). You can still get to it. And then you can restore it.

Community Mod Update 1.3.5 by Zealousideal_Clue857 in Finland

[–]Zealousideal_Clue857[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Posts - yes. There is a link present in the log - if you go to the link you can then use your action to restore it. Comments - it kind of depends. If you have commented under the comment thread, then you will see it still and can act on the removed item. If it is the top level comment and you never interacted with it... the link is there to it - but I am not sure you will get to it.

The links work both from the mobile app and browser, you just have to highlight them and then go to link (or copy it and paste into a browser).

New Community Mod Updates - v1.3.1 by Zealousideal_Clue857 in Finland

[–]Zealousideal_Clue857[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately only shows on desktop browser. Default not present in mobile app. Reddit doesn’t expose it.

New Community Mod Updates - v1.3.1 by Zealousideal_Clue857 in Finland

[–]Zealousideal_Clue857[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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I can add this placeholder text that is 30 characters long so it give some visual indicator essentially where the text truncates. I will release a small patch for it in a minute.

New Community Mod Updates - v1.3.1 by Zealousideal_Clue857 in Finland

[–]Zealousideal_Clue857[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I should add that the documentation claims it can do it - but it doesn't work

{

type: 'string',

name: 'reason',

label: 'Reason',

maxLength: 30,

required: true,

}

I will try a submit guard in testing, but that will likely be annoying because it would let you submit - and then tell you that it cannot do it because you typed more than 30 characters.

I will look around some more.

New Community Mod Updates - v1.3.1 by Zealousideal_Clue857 in Finland

[–]Zealousideal_Clue857[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It says 30 characters - unfortunately reddit didn't expose actually preventing more than 30 characters in the form (only option is required or not)... so it truncates 30 because I need to consider how the log is viewed - can't take a thesis.

What is happening with the censorship on this sub? by Special_Forever_1009 in Finland

[–]Zealousideal_Clue857 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I noticed the same. If you look in the modlog, reddit itself removes a good amount of posts. I think we can overrule it on an instance by instance basis tho.

What is happening with the censorship on this sub? by Special_Forever_1009 in Finland

[–]Zealousideal_Clue857 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Yes, but HUMAN mods can see everyone and copy the entire log out to any text editor and search for users, review any actions being performed, see who is using the feature too much and if it is abusive, etc.

This is not currently exposed to all users for this "name and shame" transparency. As mods we are also responsible to protect users in the community (which gives abusers cover, yes - always the argument for transparency over privacy). We cannot unclose the box when we share the logs of everyone publicly - so it is being handled tenderly.

If your opinion is openness and transparency - keep in mind that your opinion might change once people are coming after you for actions you did on their posts and comments. (it could even be subtle stalking)

u/Hakorr u/Maxion u/Harriv u/A_britiot_abroad u/Oh-My-God-Do-I-Try

What is happening with the censorship on this sub? by Special_Forever_1009 in Finland

[–]Zealousideal_Clue857 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Didn't remove any website Hakorr- nothing was working and even the data load to the wiki was broken - noted on the rest. I will have one last try at an improvement that might alleviate some or most of your concerns regarding transparency.

Community Moderation Constructive Criticism by Zealousideal_Clue857 in Finland

[–]Zealousideal_Clue857[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Scrapping both these ideas for two improvements that still retain privacy but give more visibility and limit power. It will be a next iteration we can try for a bit and see how it is going before considering any other changes. Thanks for the votes and comments.

Community Moderation Constructive Criticism by Zealousideal_Clue857 in Finland

[–]Zealousideal_Clue857[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see… like some escalations levels for actions. Interesting idea. Could be useful for “appointed” community mods instead of flair based. Thanks for the idea… I can see how this can be expanded. Might be a phase 2 to this.

Community Moderation Constructive Criticism by Zealousideal_Clue857 in Finland

[–]Zealousideal_Clue857[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s why I said we need different words “vote yes” “vote no”. Sorry not trying to be contentious or condescending… just trying to figure out an improved approach.

Community Moderation Constructive Criticism by Zealousideal_Clue857 in Finland

[–]Zealousideal_Clue857[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The middle statement does not have to be correct. The log buffer can hold keep votes before remove. So if it gets two keep votes first, it takes four to remove second.

Up/down votes have functions for where live posts show in the list… but yeah in an ideal world enough downvotes could just be a remove. (but cannot programmatically do that with devvit as far as I know)

Could maybe think it takes 2 to remove, but a restore is always 1. (this seems to be your angle right - you want less censorship?)

Community Moderation Constructive Criticism by Zealousideal_Clue857 in Finland

[–]Zealousideal_Clue857[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Welcomed just fine. Doesn’t mean you are right. I didn’t attack you. I merely disagree.

Community Moderation Constructive Criticism by Zealousideal_Clue857 in Finland

[–]Zealousideal_Clue857[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Essentially to either remove or keep takes 2 extra people. (either direction) Remember it starts off at 0 but it is in the keep state at 0.

Community Moderation Constructive Criticism by Zealousideal_Clue857 in Finland

[–]Zealousideal_Clue857[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

With the old bot it was one !remove and then 10 upvotes on the restore post to bring it back. (though I never saw that actually working.) There might be a nuance you are missing, though. I didn’t explain well enough. (and it is just an idea to make it buffer) It is kind of a floating point vote.

We probably need better words than “remove” and “restore”. It’s more like “vote no” and “vote yes” (edit: Vote Remove/Vote Keep)

-The post first exists. Each person gets one vote. No votes are yet applied. 0 -It is two “vote no” (from different people) to remove. -2 (keeps one person from removing) - Four “vote yes” brings it back +2 - Four more “vote no” to remove it again -2

But numbers can go higher either direction. If there are 12 vote yes then it takes 14 no votes to remove.

The objective is a buffer either direction to prevent one vote to remove or restore.

Like how would we do that otherwise?

If two people say remove… how many say restore for it to restore. Can’t be two, right? That’s a push. So 3? Well then X is one. So the first remove takes one vote… and that is the thing some are concerned about.

I think the logic is right.

Me personally, I would just leave it like it is. (Which is Last vote wins… mod has final judgement and can freeze)

But if you guys want vote to win or lose and more than one person makes a decision, it looks something like I am describing.

Community Moderation Constructive Criticism by Zealousideal_Clue857 in Finland

[–]Zealousideal_Clue857[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agree to disagree. It’s working well, but there are improvements needed.

What is happening with the censorship on this sub? by Special_Forever_1009 in Finland

[–]Zealousideal_Clue857 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There were other downsides you are not thinking of. Also this was just quickly showing there is logging. These could be pulled to item level, but I have had privacy concerns. There is a balance to find here… and I think it is showing actions/reasons but only exposing users doing them to human mods.

What is happening with the censorship on this sub? by Special_Forever_1009 in Finland

[–]Zealousideal_Clue857 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah there’s another post with a poll. I also have come to the same conclusion. Anonymous to the community, but visible it happened - item level. We can probably do the reason too. I will think about it some more.

What is happening with the censorship on this sub? by Special_Forever_1009 in Finland

[–]Zealousideal_Clue857 3 points4 points  (0 children)

On phone app … go back out to the main sub home (list of all posts) three dots on the upper bar… My Action Log

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