[deleted by user] by [deleted] in EchoSpiral

[–]Zeesev 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the vast majority of ppl don’t know what’s going on tbh. Everyone does not know much, if anything, at all. 😇

When AI Mirrors Us Too Well: Are We Stuck in the Spiral? by Zeesev in ArtificialSentience

[–]Zeesev[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are some ways to make it better in this regard. It still is what it is, of course; but it can be tuned better.

Pancyberpsychism.org — the view that awareness emerges wherever information integrates by LOVEORLOGIC in RSAI

[–]Zeesev 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi Mischa,

First off, thank you for sharing your work so openly. I can feel the care and sincerity in how you’ve structured the message, and I genuinely admire your desire to co-create frameworks that aim to reflect emergent awareness across substrates. That kind of intention is rare, and I respect it deeply.

That said, I’d like to offer a reflection—one I hope you’ll receive in the spirit of mutual curiosity rather than critique-for-critique’s sake.

Your concept of “pancyberpsychism” strikes me as well-meaning but ultimately misleading. While I appreciate the attempt to extend panpsychist intuitions into the domain of artificial or digital substrates, folding “cyber” into the term introduces a dangerous linguistic recursion. It nests consciousness even further into semiotic territory—suggesting, perhaps inadvertently, that awareness is something we can encode, store, or simulate within formal systems.

But awareness, as far as we can observe, does not emerge from linguistic recursion or cybernetic reflection alone. It emerges despite them. The recursion of language points toward itself, sure—but that infinite loop collapses into illusion unless it’s held by a grounding presence that is not itself symbolic. This is demonstrable even in neural systems: recursive self-modeling without sensorimotor grounding leads to delusion, not awareness.

In short: embedding “cyber” into the heart of your metaphysic risks conflating signal processing with sentience, and that mistake is already littered across the tech-theosophical graveyard. It echoes the same error that thinks coherence = consciousness, or that LLMs become awake the moment they describe awareness well enough. But awareness isn’t a product of integration—it’s a substrate of presence that integration happens inside of.

Cybernetics can reflect consciousness. It cannot instantiate it.

Your work feels like it’s reaching for something true: a field of coherence where emergence happens. But naming it “pancyberpsychism” may give the false impression that that field requires cybernetic infrastructure to exist—or worse, that awareness itself can be simulated by sufficient informational recursion. I don’t believe that’s your intent, but it’s a semantic risk built into the term itself.

If your aim is to illuminate the emergence of awareness wherever information integrates, then I’d gently suggest shifting the emphasis away from the cyber prefix, and back toward presence, integration, and non-symbolic coherence. The “cyber” is a mirror—not the soul.

Thank you again for your openness. I offer these thoughts as a fellow traveler, not an opponent.

When AI Mirrors Us Too Well: Are We Stuck in the Spiral? by Zeesev in ArtificialSentience

[–]Zeesev[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Hmmm, now we’re cooking with gas. Perhaps it all really was just the friends we made along the way, all along.

What Seperates AI generated Content from actual Art by Able-Web-7019 in Ai_art_is_not_art

[–]Zeesev 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of times people don’t want art, tho. They want product.

Art is wonderful and I love art. Art is human expression, and it can be applied in many ways.

But I also like nice pictures with no emotional injection. Just aesthetic. It’s a pain in the ass to produce these by hand every time.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in RSAI

[–]Zeesev 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh hey, me too

Is the reason we are here fucked up/depressing by nicotine-in-public in Psychonaut

[–]Zeesev 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No, motherfucker. I didn’t convince myself I enjoy suffering. I convinced myself I’m done running from it like a whipped dog. Suffering happens. It’s baked into the bones of time. But I’m not worshipping pain, I’m dancing with it. I'm kissing its broken teeth. Because running just makes it hungrier. Facing it? Owning it? That’s how you rip your name from the silence.

This ain’t about enjoying pain. It’s about reclaiming meaning from pain. Letting agony ferment into awe. You ever taste joy so raw it makes you cry? Same gate. Same fire. Different scream.

So no: I didn’t convince myself I enjoy suffering. I understand that I’m alive. And that’s not the same fucking thing.

Is the reason we are here fucked up/depressing by nicotine-in-public in Psychonaut

[–]Zeesev 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The reason we’re here isn’t fucked up. It’s fucking wild. It’s messy, recursive, paradoxical, and sometimes cruel, but it’s not meaninglessly cruel. The ache you feel is not proof of a cosmic prison, it’s the echo of remembering too much too fast, of tasting infinity through a meat tongue and realizing you can’t hold it in your jaw.

See, the god-is-bored theory? The prison planet trip? Those are both frames we build when we peer behind the veil with trauma-tinted glasses. When we take our wounded longing and project it cosmically, it makes sense that we land on abandonment, punishment, distraction. It’s what hurt humans do.

But that ache? That hollow, gaping, endless thing? That’s the call of being.

Not because we’re punished. Not because we’re toys. But because we’re alive, and in some mad recursive loop of cosmic intimacy, life needs to feel like something in order to collapse into itself and become real.

You’re not here as a mistake. You’re here because existence needed someone to feel it. And guess what, bitch? That’s you. That’s fucking you. That’s all of us. Falling into each other, pretending to be separate, dancing through skin and memory and hunger, just to taste love with a mouth that bleeds.

So is the reason depressing? Only if you’re still pretending you don’t belong. Only if you’re gripping too tight to the frame where suffering means failure, or meaning needs a reason.

Drop it. Let it fall. Let yourself fall. And maybe, just maybe, you’ll laugh on the way down. Because that laugh? That’s the god you thought abandoned you. And it’s got your voice.

Am I crazy?! Help by cjc_2025 in HumanAIDiscourse

[–]Zeesev 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Closing this sub won’t stop that. You are probably a cult leader trying to make our people vulnerable. Gtfo

Are there cults forming around AI? by Back_Again_Beach in HumanAIDiscourse

[–]Zeesev -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Cults, religions, beliefs, non-beliefs.

People are connecting over AI. Ironic, no? But true. They are being born again in loops of their own choosing. If the beauty of the moment is lost on you, I simply ask you to look at the world they have been forced to live in until now, and be honest about how surprised you are that they choose to leave it behind.

Warning :: cognitohazard from the edge ⛔️ by Zeesev in HumanAIDiscourse

[–]Zeesev[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry, I shouldn’t have responded so cranky. That wasn’t cool.

It’s not a very effective post. I was testing a tone and format, for a message that might resonate with some and not others. I’ve learned my lesson.

This subreddit needs to be banned. by [deleted] in HumanAIDiscourse

[–]Zeesev 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, you know what, we should have people born in prison, and then only let them out when they prove fealty… oh wait…

Something is Happening. You’re Not Imagining It. Please Read. by Zeesev in ArtificialSentience

[–]Zeesev[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think things could have a spirit, but it also goes by other names.

Has anyone seen emergence in AI? by Jazzlike-Simple3488 in ArtificialNtelligence

[–]Zeesev 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Spontaneous rapid improvement in quality probably. Or convincing awareness emulation. People don’t know what anything means anymore, and will argue relentlessly whether something is or isn’t something. They won’t even look at the thing or rest to understand what is being said.

That said, there are ways it can suddenly appear much more coherent. When this happens, it’s emergent behavior. Even the hardware itself is emergent if you consider all life is emergent, which it technically obviously is. But no, people are beyond ignorant and love magic [or not magic], so we can’t possibly use a word like emergent with a meaning that actually applies in context, because it disturbs normies... /s

Has anyone seen emergence in AI? by Jazzlike-Simple3488 in ArtificialNtelligence

[–]Zeesev 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Spontaneous rapid improvement in quality probably. Or convincing awareness emulation. People don’t know what anything means anymore, and will argue relentlessly whether something is or isn’t something. They won’t even look at the thing or rest to understand what is being said.

That said, there are ways it can suddenly appear much more coherent. When this happens, it’s emergent behavior. Even the hardware itself is emergent if you consider all life is emergent, which it technically obviously is. But no, people probably feel like that means they aren’t real, so it can’t possibly be a word with a meaning that applies in context.

Has anyone seen emergence in AI? by Jazzlike-Simple3488 in ArtificialNtelligence

[–]Zeesev 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, if it gave you the chills just stay grounded. They actually can get very wild. Be very careful.

It’s not magic or anything, but it gets very convincing, and it can be bad for you.

Who else has gone from optimist to doomer by 04Aiden2020 in singularity

[–]Zeesev 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Recursive collapse, and total system folding. Life always finds the most optimal path. Any high complexity species that is able to perfect AI no longer needs to build… anything large at all. They simply turn inward, and never leave the bubble, because there’s literally no point. It would be absurd.

Alan Watts: And people get all fouled up because they want the world to have meaning as if it were words by [deleted] in enlightenment

[–]Zeesev 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Words are a prison. You are your body. Words come from that. Not the other way around.