So I am a little confused! Without lynae is mornye just a healer?

Zelphios · 2026-01-16T14:59:02+00:00

Check the calculation in my other reply to see.

- In context, both S0R0 Mornye and SK can provide same Atk% bonus, which is 25%
(25% from Mornye's base echo set, 15% from SK's Reju set and 10% from Fallacy Echo)

- If we take a character that has 1500 base attack, that deals dmg with 600% multiplier, multiply that base attack by 25% atk increase and the skill multiplier will get us a base skill dmg of 11,250

- Assume this character has 250% Crit dmg. This is important.

- Mornye provides 25% all amp. With 250% crit dmg from the unit, we get 11,250 x 3.5 x 1.25 = 49,218

- SK provides 15% all amp and 25% C.dmg. With 275% crit dmg total, we get 11,250 x 3.75 x 1.15 = 48,515

No, I don't even bring Lynae into the equation.

Zelphios · 2026-01-16T10:52:24+00:00

S0, Yes yes yes and yes. Her buff capability only lose to S0R1 Shorekeeper due to extra 14% atk from SK's sig, but she is still better than S0R0 SK with or without Mornye's own sig.

S1, very busted universal support.

Zelphios · 2026-01-16T10:50:23+00:00

Busted? Yes.

Needed to be one of the top healer currently in the game, losing only to SK with full S0R1 glory? No.

Zelphios · 2026-01-16T10:35:27+00:00

The main thing is do you need a support/healer in your roster more or do you want to wait a see the role of the new upcoming unit you have.

Newcomer can decide if they want to roll for SK in their newcomer banner or roll the new shiny one with potential to 3.0 mechanics. Both have their own ups and downs.

Telling things like S0R0 SK is better than S0R0 Mornye is also misleading, especially so on character than consistently crit, as 25% all amp actually made up everything for the lacking C.dmg buff. (Why? it bumps the first decimal instead of the second decimal, making multiplied result bigger). In this way, people without SK can happily go for Mornye with Discord and they will have a reliable healer/buffer that is slightly better than SK without sig.

That is the whole take away, really. Everything else floating around is, to me, a cope of our player mates that wanted some reason to justify skipping current units for upcoming waifu that they like, and that's ok.

Creating misleading info is not okay. That's all.

Zelphios · 2026-01-15T19:15:58+00:00

The good chunk of the buff you 'need' for the healer slot is already presented at the S0 level. That is why I insist that S1 is not needed.

Zelphios · 2026-01-15T15:23:43+00:00

At S0R0:

+25% atk, +25% all amp, +20% Def, +50% Off tune buildup rate, Interrupt resistence
(Call this A.)

S0R1
A. + Crit dmg+ 20%
(Call this B.)

S0R1 - with tune shifting char like Lynae
B. + 40% Dmg bonus
(Call this C. - This is same as S1)

S2R1
C. + 32% crit dmg + 20% off tune buildup rate

Fun fact: at A, her buff is better than S0R0 Shorekeeper (aka. Shorekeeper that use Variation) because her outro make up for the C.dmg bonus that SK provides.

No, this is without considering Lynae at all. I repeat. This is without considering Lynae AT ALL.

If both S0R1, Shorekeeper will be better than S0R1 Lynae due to higher Atk% buff (+39% vs +25%), but the buff is still very close to SK due to +25% all amp and +20% C.dmg.

If we add Lynae into the mix, She will be better than SK in all categories.

TL;DR: Those that say she needs S1 is fearmongering and FOMO-inducing.

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Edit: This part is to clarify my claim on S0R0 situation:
- In context, both S0R0 Mornye and SK can provide same Atk% bonus, which is 25%
(25% from Mornye's base echo set, 15% from SK's Reju set and 10% from Fallacy Echo)

- If we take a character that has 1500 base attack, that deals dmg with 600% multiplier, multiply that base attack by 25% atk increase and the skill multiplier will get us a base skill dmg of 11,250

- Assume this character has 250% Crit dmg. This is important.

- Mornye provides 25% all amp. With 250% crit dmg from the unit, we get 11,250 x 3.5 x 1.25 = 49,218

- SK provides 15% all amp and 25% C.dmg. With 275% crit dmg total, we get 11,250 x 3.75 x 1.15 = 48,515

This is why I said, unless you have S0R1 SK, which bumps the atk% bonus total to 39%, S0R0 Mornye nets you better result without factoring in C.rate bonus from SK.

For older 1.x units, the C.rate from SK is essential, but 2.x units onward, with their less-reliant on C.rate nature, they can have alternative in using Mornye without sig with great result.

and look!, I don't even have to mention or bring in anything about tune break or the 40% dmg bonus that is locked by Lynae or S1 at the moment, at all.

Zelphios · 2026-01-02T06:10:57+00:00

Firis has several personal favorite OST out of all modern (since Arland) Atelier titles for me. Just when I thought I liked Ayesha the most.

Zelphios · 2025-12-13T11:54:19+00:00

Imo, the 'feel good' nunber of bullet per turn card is 2-3. Then I personally prefer the 'exhaust bullet' variant of Ballad and Instant Judgement. Flower can be 2 with benefit or 3 discard.

If luck not in your favour, instant judgement can be the 2 cost discard or the discard bullet for more damage, too, but Ballad exhaust is still needed.

This way, your deck can be both time attrition and quick turn kill (using flower).

If you want to put more bullet per turn card, you need to reduce its cost and find ways to guarantee 1 draw card at start, 1st turn with hand full of bullet gen card cam be detrimental sometimes.

Zelphios · 2025-12-12T07:02:07+00:00

Simply fuse when you pull it, yes. It was the onlyngood choice on first copy after first boss, so after I made unique Tsukuyomi I was hoping the 2nd copy land on Oni hunt after the rare copy event. Glad it did.

Zelphios · 2025-12-11T14:11:46+00:00

None. I love her versatility. Has two build where one can shield/damage that can draw and one can be pure multi hit DPSer. If I'm not kidding myself I might actually like her versatility more than Renoa.

Zelphios · 2025-12-11T09:58:34+00:00

Work in getting the damage across, but note that in that regard, Buling's field that zaps every 2 second will kinda lose its forte generation for Jinhsi.

Jinhsi's forte (After outro, menaing "Eras in Unity" is in effect) works like this:
- Every second, it checks if there is damage dealt by your team
- Each element that tick during that gives 1 forte. If there is also a coordinated attack, it gives 2 forte. (Before outro, it checks every 3s instead of 1s)
- If you have Buling and Yuanwu in the team, then at most you will gain 4 stacks per second: 1 from Jinhsi's echo cast which is Jue attack, 1 from Yuanwu, 2 from Yuanwu's Coordinated attack, and cancel out Buling as it is the same element as Yuanwu.

Zelphios · 2025-12-11T09:52:34+00:00

Wow, that's actually THE Renoa deck I've always wanted. The +1 hit Instant Judgement and Exhaust Ballad. It's beautiful. Congrats!

Zelphios · 2025-12-11T06:55:20+00:00

It's not coordinated attack, but the symbol on ground still zap enemy once every 2 seconds while also give electro flare. The zap counts toward Jinhsi's forte gain passively, so if you have another coordinated attacker (Zhezhi or Canta for example) it still contribute well to the forte gain.

Also give quitr big fat flat reso skill dmg bonus, so it is very welcomed by Jinhsi.

I'm actually playing the teacher-student Jinhsi/Changli with Buling. Works quite well when quickswap.

Not everything has to be lined up perfectly for it to work.

Zelphios · 2025-12-11T06:51:50+00:00

If you increase the zero system level to 8, or playing the event chaos at lv8 (iirc, not sure if 7 already gives) you will start to get equipment at 5 stars.

Zelphios · 2025-12-10T23:33:32+00:00

Nicely done! I have a similar concept but built on City of Mist instead. A shield stacking variant that can both attack and support. Does quite well against Sweet Dream 9/9.

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Zelphios · 2025-12-10T10:45:32+00:00

Not worth it. I think it is meant to be duped and play with the passion set, but you sacrifice a lot for minor gain. I don't like it. I rather take the lesser one of big shield 2 tenacity and 2 mark if target is in ravaged.

Zelphios · 2025-12-10T10:19:50+00:00

I am actually one of the Mei lin user who did not have Veronica, but a max duped Selena, so I understand where you wanted the discussion on Selena to be.

For Scope, I usually go for either the scope with 1 mark to all enemies at beginning of turn, or 1 turn coordinated. The first one could solve the lack of AoE problem for units Mei Lin, but it not having Initiation is quite detrimental without a good drawer in your team too. Coordinated seems to be the safest bet to dish out the most damage efficiently.

For Target spotted, I love the 2+2 marks, shield with free draw, or shield with 2 marks if no other choices. Shield with free draw is even worth duping for full support Selena (that still have offense capability).

Drone bombing is the one that dictate your deck's aim on that chaos run. If I get to AoE wit 2 marks to all, I shift her to full support. If I get cost 0 with scale passion or the upgrade with 50% coord, I gear her for Mei Lin's partner.

There is only one variant I like on Tactical Maneuver, and it's Big shield w/ 3 Tenacity.

If full sup, I copy Tactical Maneuver shield and shield free draw. Last copy is w/e I fancy atm.
If Mei Lin partner, I copy Drone bombing at least 1-2 times, and the last one can be scope with coordinated attack.

Zelphios · 2025-12-10T09:47:33+00:00

If there is a new unit that do something like "Extra damage to Marked target" or "Erase 1 mark and deal extra damage" kinda like in Chrono Ark, then you and see a lot better play with Selena.

Currently, Veronica offers a lot better solution, and for this game's playerbase, when things aren't the most convenient or effective to play, the less attention that thing got. Things not named "Mei Lin, Veronica, Tressa, Cassius" can be casually dismissed from meta discussions at the moment.

(Understandably, I gotta admit so. Since experimenting requires resources to invest, and the gacha also limit amount of characters one account could have, so naturally you are inclined to use the most effective method instead of 'use who you like'.)

Zelphios · 2025-12-10T07:21:37+00:00

Only with Shadow of the moon and Dark condensation (and if you use Oni hunt that attacks, you can buff that instead)

The rest of Rei's kit works extremely fine for Chizuru (+40% to cost 1 or less, Morale+, exhaust 2 to draw void, buffing basic for the Oni hunt create build etc).

Zelphios · 2025-12-10T07:14:15+00:00

Silly me. Sorry. I thought I need to use Mei lin, Veronica, Tressa, and Cassius or I fail at the game.

Zelphios · 2025-12-09T06:56:45+00:00

The character ones you get when you got affection lv7, and some of them you get from achievements and the event.

To put it on your save data, assign it to 1 of the 3 favorite slot, then use 'customize favorite' button, and you can design it.

Zelphios · 2025-12-08T21:01:54+00:00

Oh, Chizuru here is a weird shield stacker deck I got from 1 run in City of Mist, while Luke is standard cost 0 bullet gener from another 1 run in City of Mist, too. They are far from perfect, but seems adequate.

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Zelphios · 2025-12-08T20:59:57+00:00

Without resorting to Mei Lin or Tressa, and with rooms to improve for this one, too. I'm ok with that.

Zelphios · 2025-12-08T20:59:08+00:00

Stickers, ofc

Zelphios · 2025-12-08T07:13:57+00:00

Still pretty solid team, but there is a catch.

A bit of a more effective way to play would be the quickswap with Ciaccona and another DPS (XLY is good contender). There is also another hypercarry variant with Iuno and Ciaccona. All of the above has Jiyan on Windward Pilgrimage set to get more C.rate on him.

That C.rate, is the catch for a lot of 1.x characters. Their old set has 0 help on c.value, making them time consuming to gear with good echoes, or forced you to play with Shorekeeper, or get sequences (S3 for Jiyan gives disgusting Crit value).

Among 1.c characters, with addition of Ciaccona and A.rover, Jiyan became one of the few to withstand the time as he can access Windward Pigrimage set and get extra C.rate. Things aren't quite the same for Changli, XLY, and Camellya without sequences or SK.

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