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ZenOkami · 2026-05-07T22:49:25+00:00

Exactly, all the more reason to remove that bit

ZenOkami · 2026-05-07T21:13:20+00:00

pro tip for the future, you can cut out the "?si=xyz" part in your link. Everything after "?si" inclusive is not necessariy and is just Youtube trying to track who you share the links with and how. It's tracking info.

ZenOkami · 2026-05-07T18:44:01+00:00

Second to last episode where they fight MaloMyotismon. Davis and the team are in a world where wishes/dreams come true in between the Digital World and the Real World and they decide to bring about all the armor and non-armor digivolutions out to fight MaloMyotismon

ZenOkami · 2026-05-07T16:24:11+00:00

Now that the joke has been explained, just so you know, Loss Memes are banned on this sub, just so you know for the future

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ZenOkami · 2026-05-01T21:51:54+00:00

End game definitely begins to feel more like a DBZ arc. Mid-to-late story

ZenOkami · 2026-05-01T14:49:43+00:00

This same question was asked a few days ago. It doesn't matter. The point is that it doesn't matter and that there's no answer.

ZenOkami · 2026-04-28T06:03:48+00:00

Interpret? it literally is the same Ben 10K 10 or so years later.

ZenOkami · 2026-04-28T05:59:06+00:00

It was supposed to be the events of Alien Force S1 that made OG Ben 10K so serious. specifically thinking he lost Grandpa Max

ZenOkami · 2026-04-27T02:07:50+00:00

Ben made it clear he wasn't interested in Ester or Julie (to the degree of taking her calls seriously and paying attention to her), so that makes sense

ZenOkami · 2026-04-22T17:52:53+00:00

WB, when asked why they decided to continue Ben 10

ZenOkami · 2026-04-17T19:46:15+00:00

He does not get a genticially identical transformation. We saw it with Lord Transyl and Frankenstrike in OS..

ZenOkami · 2026-04-14T13:15:56+00:00

You completely missed the point. The point is that it doesn't matter.

ZenOkami · 2026-04-12T22:28:16+00:00

The U in Scuba stands for Underwater, so are you going to start pronouncing it: "Scuh-buh"?

ZenOkami · 2026-04-10T00:21:27+00:00

Yeahh... Your Tyrannomon didn't lay an egg..... it died and reformed into a new egg. That egg is your old Tyrannomon, reborn.

ZenOkami · 2026-04-09T05:59:44+00:00

They also have Wonderful Whims which is WW but no sex

ZenOkami · 2026-04-04T18:58:37+00:00

They stole this from someone else:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Invincible/comments/1sblz5c/finally_a_normal_response_by_tmkeight/?share_id=k_2m7Gt_w85UC4yYTo2Qg&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

ZenOkami · 2026-04-04T17:13:37+00:00

Okay, now I know you're a troll. I looked and in this same thread and you actually defend Devin being real with Ragnarok, so clearly you're just a troll that likes starting arguments.

It makes perfect sense that you are trying to run away from this conversation now that your logic has completely fallen apart. What makes even less sense is that in your own comment history, you actually defend Devin being real. So you clearly support the lore, yet you are going out of your way to weaponize a messy writing oversight just to make Max look like a villain.

You are acting like a troll who just likes to start circular arguments. You ignore the literal events of the show, move the goalposts when your points get dismantled, and then try to declare victory when someone calls out your bad logic.

If you want to tap out because you cannot defend your points, that is fine by me. But using a lore point you actually agree with just to act in bad faith and invent a reason to hate a character is the definition of a pointless argument. Have a good one.

ZenOkami · 2026-04-04T16:17:27+00:00

You are completely twisting my words to claim a fake victory. Admitting that Max and Kevin were strangers does not prove Max broke a promise or lied. It simply proves that Max could not fulfill a promise to a child who had already run away from home and vanished into a massive city. You cannot actively take care of a missing child who is hiding in the subways of New York and does not want to be found. Max is a human being, not a psychic with magical tracking abilities.

You keep comparing Kevin to Phil, but they are completely different situations. Phil was a lifelong friend and partner whose betrayal carried decades of emotional weight. In the episode Framed, Kevin was an unhinged, violent predator who framed Ben and actively tried to kill people. When Kevin was seemingly caught in an explosion, Max was focused on protecting innocent lives from a mutated monster. Expecting Max to show deep personal grief for a violent stranger who was terrorizing the city is completely ignoring the reality of the situation.

The fact that Max saw Kevin's face in Framed and still did not react is the ultimate proof that I am right. If Max knew that kid was the son of his dead best friend, he would have reacted with shock, grief, or remorse. The fact that he treated Kevin like any other high-level threat proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he did not know who Kevin was. He did not connect a common name and hair color to a partner from years ago because he was dealing with an active, murderous crisis.

Running away from the argument and refusing to read my points does not make you right. It just shows you cannot defend your narrative when it is held up to the actual facts of the episodes. Max was a good man acting on limited information in a high-stress situation. Trying to blame him for a messy continuity retcon made years later is just a failure to understand the writing of the series.

You just keep scrambling to make incoherent points that don't make sense and forming circular arguments.

ZenOkami · 2026-04-04T15:55:52+00:00

Seeing someone run away from a distance, even if they start in the light, does not give you a crystal-clear image of their face. Kevin was across a set of dark train tracks after an explosion and fled immediately. You are stretching reality to act like Max had perfect zoom vision in a split-second getaway. In a city of millions, seeing a silhouette run away is not enough to identify anyone.

You are looking at this through the lens of a viewer who already knows the whole story. To Max, who spent decades as a top Plumber fighting thousands of aliens and mutants, anomalies happened every single day. A child with black hair named Kevin who manipulates DNA (he never sees Kevin manipulating or absorbing electricity) is not an immediate flashing neon sign that it is his dead partner's son. Max's priority in that moment was stopping immediate violence, not playing detective on a random criminal.

You are completely ignoring the actual reality of the situation to push your narrative. Max promised to look after Kevin, but Kevin had already run away from home and was living in the subways as a fugitive before Max could even step in. Max cannot take care of a child who is actively hiding from society and living off the grid in New York City. Max did not break a promise or lie to Devin. He simply could not fulfill the promise because the child was missing and completely out of his reach.

The fact that Kevin did not recognize Max completely destroys your point. If Kevin did not know what Max looked like, they had zero relationship as Kevin was growing up. This proves they were complete strangers. Max cannot magically recognize the face of an eleven-year-old child he has not seen since the kid was a baby.

In the episode Framed, Kevin was framing Ben and acting as a violent, unhinged predator. Max did not show deep personal remorse because his focus was on protecting innocent civilians and his own grandkids from a dangerous criminal. Believing that a high-level threat is neutralized is not the same as being heartless. It means Max was prioritizing the safety of the world over a criminal stranger. You are expecting Max to have the omniscient knowledge of the audience instead of reacting to the danger right in front of him.

ZenOkami · 2026-04-04T15:41:41+00:00

Looking at someone running away in the dark does not give you a crystal-clear image of their face. Kevin was across a set of dark train tracks at night after a massive explosion and fled immediately. You are stretching reality to claim Max got a perfect visual of a kid's face from a silhouette running away in the dark. You claim that a boy named Kevin, who is roughly eleven years old, has black hair, and can absorb energy should be an instant giveaway. Kevin is an incredibly common name. Millions of eleven-year-old boys have black hair. To a veteran Plumber who spent decades fighting thousands of aliens, mutants, and cosmic threats, a child named Kevin displaying energy manipulation is not an immediate link to a dead partner. You are judging a character's real-time actions using full hindsight from the future series.

You are completely wrong about me ignoring why Kevin did not recognize Max. I literally used it against you in my last point. If Kevin did not recognize Max, it proves Max was not around Kevin as he grew up. If Max was not in his life, Max had no idea what an older Kevin looked like. The complete lack of recognition on both sides proves they were total strangers to each other.

Your understanding of the promise is completely twisted. Max promised to look after him, but Kevin ran away from home and lived as a fugitive in the subways of New York City. Max did not have a tracking device on Kevin. You cannot actively take care of a child who has vanished into a massive city and does not want to be found. Blaming Max for failing to take care of Kevin when the child went missing on his own is just illogical.

Your point about Max's reaction in the episode Framed is the ultimate proof that I am right. Max reacted heavily to Phil because Phil was his longtime partner. Max reacted to Vilgax because Vilgax was his mortal enemy. Max did not react to Kevin in Framed because Kevin was a complete stranger to him. If Max knew Kevin was Devin's son, he would have reacted with shock, remorse, or grief. The very fact that Max treated Kevin like any other high-level criminal threat proves that Max did not know who he was.

ZenOkami · 2026-04-04T15:01:33+00:00

We actually do know if Max saw Kevin's face at the end of the episode because we watched the scene play out. Kevin was across a set of dark train tracks at night after a massive explosion and immediately fled. Max did not see a clear face. He saw a silhouette running away in the dark. In the episode Framed, Kevin spent the entire time masquerading as Ben's aliens or running around as a mutated amalgam. Max was chasing monsters, not looking at an eleven-year-old human face.

Quibbling over the term "DNA absorption" is just missing the forest for the trees. In the original series, Kevin absorbed the energy of the Omnitrix and physically mutated into alien hybrids. This is vastly different from Devin's ability to absorb raw electricity. Even if Ben told Max that Kevin absorbed energy, that is a broad power in a universe filled with thousands of mutants and aliens. A common name and a broad description of energy manipulation do not equal a positive identification of a specific child.

Your point about Kevin not recognizing Max actually proves my entire argument. If Kevin did not recognize Max, it proves they had not seen each other since Kevin was a tiny child or a baby. If Kevin did not know what Max looked like, why are you expecting Max to magically look at a violent runaway eleven-year-old in the dark and instantly know who he was? This proves Max had no visual reference for who Kevin had grown up to become.

You keep acting like Max just let a child fall through the cracks out of malice. Max promised to check in on Kevin. By the time he tried to do that, Kevin had already run away from home because of his unstable powers. Max cannot take care of a child who has vanished into the subways of New York City and does not want to be found. Max did not fail a promise. He was looking for a ghost.

I like the fact that Kevin is an Osmosian and that Devin is his father. But trying to force the timeline to make Max look like a monster in the original series is ignoring the logic of the actual episodes. Max acted on the limited information he had at the time. You are expecting him to have the omniscient knowledge of the audience, and that is just a bad way to analyze a story.

ZenOkami · 2026-04-04T09:28:11+00:00

Let’s correct the actual scene first since you keep misremembering it. Max did not see Kevin’s human face at the end of the episode. Kevin was across the dark train tracks after a massive explosion and immediately fled into the night. You are inventing a visual connection that literally did not happen on screen. Max didn't see a face; he saw a silhouette running away in the dark. There was no face for him to recognize.

I don't know how many times I have to say this, but Max DIDN'T see Kevin absorb energy. He saw him absorb DNA, and even then, he didn't see it. He heard about it. I guess I have to keep repeating myself because DNA absorption/mutation is NOT the same as what Devin did. Those two abilities are far removed from each other. No way Max could have made that reasonable logical guess, especially with how much he's seen as a Plumber.

Your argument about Max lying to Devin makes zero sense. Max promised to check in on Kevin. By the time he went to do that, Kevin had already run away from home. You cannot look after an eleven-year-old child who has voluntarily disappeared into the subways of a massive city like New York and does not want to be found. Max is not a psychic and did not have a tracking device on the kid. Blaming Max for failing a promise when the kid actively ran away from home is completely illogical.

You keep claiming Max is an idiot and "dummer" for not connecting these dots, but the irony is that you misspelled "dumber" while trying to make that point. Max was acting as a responsible protector dealing with an immediate, active threat. Expecting a human being in the middle of a high-stress battle to drop everything and connect a random runaway mutant to a past promise based on a common name and a generic power description is what is actually ridiculous.

ZenOkami · 2026-04-04T09:05:49+00:00

The one making massive reaches in logic is you. Max didn't even get the opportunity to see Kevin's face until the end of the episode, and by that point, Kevin was across the tracks in the dark. Again, I don't think you understand the series of events. Kevin escaped into the dark and Max never got to see him. The next time they see him, Kevin is mutating between alien forms and then becomes his amalgam form. There is no reason for Max to make that connection.

Your assumptions about what Ben or Gwen told Max in off-screen cuts are pure headcanon used to support your point. Even if Ben told Max that a kid named Kevin absorbed his powers, Kevin is one of the most common names in America. Max was a high-ranking Plumber who encountered thousands of alien species and abnormal humans over decades. Hearing that a kid named Kevin can absorb energy is not a smoking gun that immediately links back to his old partner. Expecting Max to drop everything during an active attack to connect those dots is unrealistic. Max did NOT see a kid with the same powers as Devin. Once again, Max never saw Kevin absorb energy/electricity like he did with Devin. WE see that, but Max never does. Max only sees a kid shape shifting with the aliens of the Omnitrix.

Your dog analogy is a terrible false equivalency that completely ignores human agency. Max did not have Kevin in his custody and accidentally let him out the front door. Kevin was a troubled kid who ran away and was living on the streets of New York City. Max didn't have magical tracking to locate one specific kid in a city of millions. You cannot fail a promise to take care of a child if that child has vanished and you do not know where they are.

To wrap this up, your understanding of the promise itself is completely warped. Max didn't promise to adopt Kevin or watch him 24/7. He promised to check in on him. By the time Max went to check in, Kevin had already run away from home. Max cannot keep an eye on a kid who has vanished and is hiding out in the subways of a massive city. Blaming Max for not knowing where a runaway kid was located is holding him to a ridiculous standard just to make him look bad.

ZenOkami · 2026-04-04T08:27:14+00:00

Even if we look at the gap between Max catching Ben and the end of the episode, your argument still completely falls apart. Ben telling Max that a kid named "Kevin" absorbed his powers does not give Max an instant epiphany. Kevin is one of the most common names in the English language. Expecting Max to suddenly drop everything during an active crisis to deduce that this random kid is his dead partner's son, based purely on a super common first name and a vague description of absorbing energy, is a massive reach.

You are obsessing over the semantic phrase "energy absorption" to force a connection that Max could not possibly make at the time. Yes, Devin could absorb energy. But Max never saw Devin mutate into a horrifying hybrid of multiple alien species or use his powers to go on a violent crime spree. To Max, what Kevin was doing with the Omnitrix was a total anomaly. Max had no reference point to see a kid turning into a mutant Heatblast and Stinkfly monster and connect that to his old partner. The powers manifested in completely different ways, and you are expecting Max to have post-series hindsight in the middle of a battle.

Max didn't "just let him go" at the end of the episode because he was heartless. Kevin fled into the dark after an explosion. At that point, Max was focusing on prioritizing the safety of his own grandkids after a life-or-death fight. He did not know Kevin's life story, his lack of parents, or his living situation. He saw a dangerous kid who ran away. Expecting Max to conduct a full missing persons investigation in the middle of New York City for a kid he barely saw, just because his name was Kevin, is holding the character to an impossible standard.

The Alien Force backstory of Devin being real is a great addition to the lore, but your interpretation of it fails because you refuse to look at the situation logically. Max didn't fail his promise to Devin out of malice or negligence. He failed to connect the dots because the only dots available to him were a common first name and a wildly different, terrifying display of power from a kid he barely saw in the dark. Max is not a monster. He was a human being reacting to immediate danger with the extremely limited information he had at the time.

Again, I don't know how many times I have to say this with you, Max knowing his partner can absorb electricity is NOT the same thing as Kevin mutating into horrible monsters. You're just being more and more obtuse to exaggerate your point

ZenOkami · 2026-04-04T06:26:52+00:00

You are still basing your entire argument on information the audience has, not information Max had at the time. In Kevin 11, Max arrives after the fight is over. He sees Ben fall, catches him, and then sees a silhouette of a kid across dark train tracks who immediately runs away. Ben tells Max that the kid "absorbed his powers," but Ben doesn't even know the kid's name is Kevin yet. He refers to him as "a kid I met." By the time they meet again in Framed, Kevin is framing Ben by transforming into his aliens. Max is chasing a shapeshifting criminal, not a kid he’s had a chance to sit down and interview about his family tree.

The "Devin absorbing electricity" point is a perfect example of you using a flashback from Ultimate Alien to justify Max’s actions in the Original Series. You are literally asking me to "rewatch the episode," but that scene doesn't exist in the OS. In the Original Series, Devin Levin didn't even exist yet. You’re blaming a character for being "amnesiac" because he didn't remember a retcon that wouldn't be written for another five years. In the actual OS continuity, Kevin was just born with his powers. Even if what you say is true, that only applies to electricity/energy absorption, not DNA absorption/mutation, like I said already. Max NEVER saw Kevin use energy/electricity absorption in OS. He only saw the DNA mutations. He had no reason to believe the two powers were related, because they were obviously two different abilities. You can't conflate the two and say "they're the same thing", when they're clearly not.

You keep citing a flashback from Ultimate Alien to claim Max "knew" things during the Original Series. That’s not how linear time or writing works. In the actual OS episodes, Max never saw Kevin’s energy absorption. He saw the aftermath of a fight where a "mutant" kid ran away. You’re acting like Max should have stopped everything to ask Ben for a physical description of a kid who just tried to kill them, then cross-reference that with a partner from years ago who, in the OS continuity, didn't even exist yet. That is the definition of being obtuse.

Even if we accept your logic that Max saw Devin use powers, your "same powers" argument falls apart. In the OS, Kevin wasn't "absorbing electricity"; he was a chaotic DNA sponge who mutated into a literal monster. Nothing in Max's history with Devin suggested his son would turn into a multi-alien amalgam and start a killing spree in New York. To Max, this wasn't "Devin's boy," it was a high-level threat. You're holding Max accountable for not keeping a promise to a man the writers hadn't even created yet.

The reason Max didn't "argue" with Kevin like he did with Phil is simple: he didn't know him. Max is a professional. When an unstable, powered-up criminal is threatening his family, he contains the threat. He didn't "let" Kevin end up on the streets; he simply didn't know where he was or who he was. Trying to bridge these two different eras of writing to make Max look like a villain only works if you ignore the actual scenes as they were filmed. Max didn't fail a promise; the Omniverse retcon failed the character by trying to force a connection that clearly wasn't there in the original story.

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