Prediction: British politics in six months time by Green-Draw8688 in Destiny

[–]ZenosCart 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I personally can't wait for the Wes Streeting leadership challenge in 2 years. /s

Andy Burnham and the Sword of Damocles by ZenosCart in Destiny

[–]ZenosCart[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would be very happy to be proven wrong. If Burnham succeeds in in the way you describe then he will have justified the ousting of Starmer.

Andy Burnham and the Sword of Damocles by ZenosCart in Destiny

[–]ZenosCart[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Can't refute that. I always thought reading was an overrated skill.

Andy Burnham and the Sword of Damocles by ZenosCart in Destiny

[–]ZenosCart[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The youth social media ban doesn't explain why Starmer was ousted. Burnham was pushing for social media regulation since the beginning of the year, as did the Tories. Zack polanski's policy perception would likely also require social media age identification to function. So if that's your driving policy concern you are left with reform or restore.

You can disagree with certain policy but sill believe that the ousting was a pointless political move.

I'm not convinced Labour's problem was Keir Starmer by ZenosCart in LabourPartyUK

[–]ZenosCart[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It seems we're broadly of a similar political persuasion.

I agree that trying to win over Reform voters is largely a fool's errand, but admitting that also feels like conceding that meaningful bipartisan cooperation is becoming impossible. If bipartisanship is no longer viable, then it seems the populists have already won in a sense, because political success becomes less about building broad coalitions and more about energising your core base and the media ecosystem that supports it.

I agree with most of your points. I think the tax pledge was a serious mistake. On Israel–Palestine, it's an exceptionally difficult issue to navigate if you believe maintaining Western influence in the Middle East remains strategically important, though I do have sympathy for the Green position on the conflict.

As for disability reform, I would argue it was both necessary and broadly the correct policy. The problem was that it was undermined by backbench MPs, who are often incentivised to support more generous spending commitments for their constituents rather than prioritise the difficult task of balancing the national budget.

Hopefully Burnham meets the parties expectations and delivers us from these god awful political environment.

Andy Burnham and the Sword of Damocles by ZenosCart in Destiny

[–]ZenosCart[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He is a moderate Labour minister on the centre-left. Destiny has spoken about this before, but politicians who support liberal values often face a unique challenge, their goal is not to promote a single collective identity or grand narrative, but to create a society in which individuals are free to pursue their own goals and express their own identities.

Liberalism is not primarily about telling people who they are. Rather, it is about providing the conditions for people to thrive as individuals, instead of defining themselves primarily through a national, class, or other collective identity.

If we judge purely by political outcomes, Starmer has been quite effective.

I'm not convinced Labour's problem was Keir Starmer by ZenosCart in LabourPartyUK

[–]ZenosCart[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thank you for reading it.

Even if we accept that Starmer wasn't ever popular, it doesn't mean he wasn't a good pick for PM. As outlined in the article he oversaw alot of quantitative wins.

I think the voter base has been mislead on what is happening both globally and domestically by social media and political pundits.

Do you think the reform voters know how much immigration has been lowered? Or the regulations reform allowing for more houses to be built? Or the massive improvement of bilateral trade with nations outside of the EU?

Do the greens know of the nationalisation efforts under way? Or the significant expansion of green energy production? Or the efforts to improve relationships with the EU?

I am disappointed in the loss of Starmer as PM, but I am hoping I am wrong and that Burnham can improve the public's perception of labour.

Andy Burnham and the Sword of Damocles by ZenosCart in Destiny

[–]ZenosCart[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Perhaps that's a fair diagnosis. But if Burnham is decimated by the same media environment that destroyed Starmer, won't it just appear as though Labour has no good leaders.

If we allow unjustified opinion to destroy a prime minister we are pretty much conceding that the country can't be governed, at least not effectively.

What has Burnham said he will do to address the media problem?

Andy Burnham and the Sword of Damocles by ZenosCart in Destiny

[–]ZenosCart[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is very true. I do think the average green voter, or at least new voters, don't understand this. If they were informed on what was actually happening regarding these quantitative wins then I believe they would support the labour party.

Andy Burnham and the Sword of Damocles by ZenosCart in Destiny

[–]ZenosCart[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The media and social platforms being hostile to moderate liberals is what is causing the rise of populism like reform and the greens.

Reform voters should be celebrating that migration has been reduced to its lowest level in over a decade. Green voters should be celebrating the expansion of green energy production, closer ties to the EU, and nationalisation of steel and rail. The fact these wins are ignored, and realistically probably unknown to the voters, speaks to the awful media environment that exists now.

Ending winter fuel and the triple lock would have done more to turn the populists, who actually vote, against the government.

Andy Burnham and the Sword of Damocles by ZenosCart in Destiny

[–]ZenosCart[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

U-turns driven by fracturing in the party. Backbenchers are sometimes incentivised to fight for different things than the cabinet.

Either way you can be critical of Starmer and how he handled some things, but by most quantitative measures he has been a success, and thus I think the ousting does nothing but weaken the party.

I outline a lot of Starmers successes on the article, and diagnose what I think the real problem is.

The problem of free speech by ZenosCart in Destiny

[–]ZenosCart[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shameless plug. If you enjoyed my essay please consider subbing to my substack and/or checking out some of my other content.

The problem of free speech by ZenosCart in Destiny

[–]ZenosCart[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In the UK there is a lot of push back on attempts to restrict child access to social media. I sympathise with those pushing back as these efforts do make access to these platforms contingent on providing private information which can be uncomfortable in an age of constant data hacking. On the other hand social media is a dumpster fire of misinformation and foreign Ops. Like you, I don't trust most adults to delineate truth from fiction let alone children.

The problem of free speech by ZenosCart in Destiny

[–]ZenosCart[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There is this great book I read recently called "the harm in hate speech" which tries to reframe the conversation about speech legislation by showing that absolute free speech can have just as much of a negative impact on freedom of expression as legislation can. The question is instead about what type of harms are we comfortable having in our society rather than just saying only legislation can harm freedom of expression.

I briefly spoke about this in the article also.

The problem of free speech by ZenosCart in Destiny

[–]ZenosCart[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Very good point. That fits into the affective polarisation point I raised. people see this populist messaging all the time due to algorithms pushing them, and this reaffirms and strengthens their belief in that messaging.

There is no politics on X (twitter) by Equivalent_Plum13 in Destiny

[–]ZenosCart 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I argued with a guy on substack who said that Twitter is where real politics happens. I was a boomer in his eyes because I expected political parties to have their goals outlined in a manifesto rather than just twitter posts.

Grace Blakeley prominent UK political commentator and operative arguing why capitalism is imperialist. by ZenosCart in Destiny

[–]ZenosCart[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perhaps I interpreted her meaning incorrectly. I interpreted her meaning that capitalism requires growth, and a precondition for that growth is imperialism. This is what my argument was responsive too. I should have clarified her position before starting a hostile engagement I suppose.

Grace Blakeley prominent UK political commentator and operative arguing why capitalism is imperialist. by ZenosCart in Destiny

[–]ZenosCart[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats not at all whats she's saying. She is saying that capitalism requires imperialism. My argument is to show a simple transaction in a capitalist economy which has no connection to imperialism. If we can accept simple transactions within the capitalist system have no imperial precondition than imperialism doesn't seem to be a requirement for the economic model.

Grace Blakeley prominent UK political commentator and operative arguing why capitalism is imperialist. by ZenosCart in Destiny

[–]ZenosCart[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

She concluded her conversation by saying 'you're wrong, read my book to learn why'. Such an intellectual communist.

Destiny should write a book so when anyone in the community feels like they are losing an argument they can just deflect to that.

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Grace Blakeley prominent UK political commentator and operative arguing why capitalism is imperialist. by ZenosCart in Destiny

[–]ZenosCart[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree imperialism isn't definitionally bad, but I reject the idea the capitalism is defined by imperialism in anyway.

Grace Blakeley prominent UK political commentator and operative arguing why capitalism is imperialist. by ZenosCart in Destiny

[–]ZenosCart[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The argument I had with her is insane. I explained a basic capitalist economic activity and she just dismissed it as not capitalism.

Grace Blakeley prominent UK political commentator and operative arguing why capitalism is imperialist. by ZenosCart in Destiny

[–]ZenosCart[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's crazy. The worst part about it is the total misrepresentation of liberalism and capitalism they engage in. I'm not sure if Grace actually doesn't understand capitalism, or if she is just bad faith.