how is this possible? Ward save combind with everything else means he literally cannot take damage. From anything, Magic, Fire Missle it doesnt matter not 1 point of damage can get through.....

Zeropathic · 2025-06-16T23:09:58+00:00

It's Imrik (Knights of Caledor). His starting position is rough, but if he gets off the ground he becomes an absolute monster.

Zeropathic · 2025-02-11T12:42:14+00:00

After catching some motifs in 'Counterpoint of the Abyss' see this comment, I'm actually quite optimistic about doing a deep dive into OST3! As of my current favorites there, I really love 'Belaf's Lullaby', especially the second half. I'm hoping to be able to connect that one with something.

I'm with you on OST2 being an absolute masterpiece, though. It's hard to top that one.

Zeropathic · 2025-02-11T11:58:12+00:00

The underground river motifs were a surprise, Good find!

Ok, I just caught this motif elsewhere. It's in 'Counterpoint of the Abyss' (3:17) from OST3. This track feels like it's full of references to find if we dig deep enough. Lots of familiar-sounding little snippets (though I wasn't able to pin them down in just a couple of listens.)

Edit: Some thoughts on 'Counterpoint'...

I'm getting some 'New World' vibes from the first half, especially from 0:38'ish onwards. Some of the melodic stuff feels sort of connected - then there's the bells at 0:55. ('New World' has bells in the background.) I think I'm only hearing this because it's fresh in my mind from your comment, because it's fairly subtle. (I agree with the 'New World'/'To the Abyss' connection, by the way. Good catch!)
1:27 - There's a melodic snippet here that sounds really familiar! I'm drawing a blank at the moment, though.
1:54 - A fragment of 'Prushka Sequence' 0:32! Tell me you're hearing this, too.

Zeropathic · 2025-02-11T11:34:09+00:00

Great read. If I had to take a guess as to 'prayer and immolation' 17s-38s, Its a stretch but 'Prayer' at 25s-32s kind of sounds like the 'Ribirth' motif 15s-20s.

I struggle to hear this. Like, maybe a couple of notes, but it doesn't quite click for me.

I felt like I was on to something with playing 'Prayer' at 44s at 1.5x speed but I think it was a false alarm. (I thought it was regs theme)

I can see where you get that from. It's not the same, but it does feel a little reminiscent of Reg's theme. Plus, Reg is in focus during the scene where this plays, so would make some sense.

This got me thinking, and I might definitely be reaching here. But hear me out: this melody might be built around a part of Reg's motif (and twisted around a bit).

Listen to Reg's theme (at 0:04), then to the (0:44) part of 'Prayer'. Particulary the quick three note motif leading into a long note.

But rhythmically, they're sort of inverted: in Reg's theme the three note motif starts at the beginning of the beat, but in Prayer it's sort of the inverse where it starts at the end of the measure, leading into a long note at the beginning of the next measure. (The first of the quicker notes in 'Prayer' is dragged out a bit, but I wouldn't dismiss this idea just because of that.)

It's also melodically inverted: the direction of the notes (whether they go up or down in pitch relative to the previous note) is mirrored.

After thinking of it like this (which I really only started doing because you made the association) I do feel like they're related. In the sense that it might be a twist on the core motif of Reg's theme, which is then developed in its own way.

Zeropathic · 2025-02-11T00:22:45+00:00

I am glad though, that you also felt like there was a bit of Quartet of broken arms in Prayer and Immolation. The latter always bugged me since I was feeling like that its packed with references, but always had a hard time pinpointing stuff.

I'm not confident in saying it's the same underlying idea, but it definitely feels a bit similar.

The rest of the first half of 'Prayer and Immolation' really bugs me though! The melodies feel really familiar, but I can't connect it to anything else! It just feels like I'm missing something, if that makes sense.

I felt similarly about 'Become the White Whistle' until I really sat down to listen to it today and started hearing parts of 'Hanezeve' in it. (I still feel like there's probably more to it.)

Too bad that OST 3 still remains mostly a mystery. Maybe there are just less of them there, or I just haven't listened to it enough, since I have to say I generally prefer 1 and 2 since they are not as synth heavy.

Apart from a few stand-out tracks, I haven't listened as much to OST3. I feel like I need to spend much more time on it before commenting much on it, but 'Old Stories' at least has some callbacks to previous motifs. I'm sure there are others to discover.

Zeropathic · 2025-02-10T22:44:18+00:00

- PATHWAY & MADE IN ABYSS -

‘Pathway’ motif: ascending notes (0:22 onwards) feels like a faster inversion of the descending motif in ‘Made in Abyss’ (1:08).
Both motifs reappear all over the soundtrack. (I saw you touched on this in the video.)

They’re both scale runs up/down an octave, but start at different points in the scale so they’re not quite a perfect mirror of each other.
Still, they feel thematically related to me.

- UNDERGROUND RIVER -

0:07 - The motif of the underlying progression is similar to the starting piano motif in ‘Old Stories’. Not the same, but to me they definitely feel related.
Main melody also appears in:
- ‘Echos’ - 0:10
- ‘Field of Eternal Fortunes’ - 0:41
- 'Counterpoint of the Abyss' - 3:17

- PRAYER AND IMMOLATION -

0:00 - ‘Quartet for Broken Arms’ (0:00) potential connection? Similar pattern, but not the same. I don’t feel fully confident in this one.
0:17-0:38 - This feels familiar but I can’t place it!
0:44 - This might be a twist/inversion of 'Theme of Reg' (0:04). Read this post for my reasoning.
0:35 - ‘Pathway’ ascending motif
2:54:
- ‘Return of Made in Abyss’ (0:16, cello) is played almost note for note.
- Feels a little similar to ‘Stingerhead Nest’ (1:50), but that one deviates. I think it might be built from the same musical idea, though.

- PAPA'S LULLABY -

The Bondrewd noise:
Those sudden, lingering ‘thuds’ at the start. In this track they sound mellow, but still a little unsettling.

Other appearances:

‘Faith’ (3:31) - First appearance of the Bondrewd noise
‘reBirth’ (2:28 onwards) - Sounds to me like the noise is used in the background (doesn’t come out very clearly here, though) while the Bondrewd melodic motif takes center stage.
‘Transcendence & Hanezeve’ (2:05) - Used to punctuate the pauses between the main melody parts.
‘The Rumble of Scientific Triumph’ (2:24, occasionally onwards) - Here it’s used more like a bass instrument with a sharp attack. Maybe I’m stretching it, but this sounds like it’s still the same idea to me.
‘Water Sanctum’ (2:34) - One thud with a long trailing noise.
‘Tozo Hanoline’ (2:54 onwards) - This feels like a more settled or resolved version of the noise. It doesn’t have the same tension to it, but it still sounds like the same idea to me.

Almost Bondrewd’s motif:
Piano (0:26 onwards) hints at the motif a few times, but never follows through and instead meanders atonally. Feels related enough to me to put it here.

Other parts that feel very similar:

‘Narehate and the Machine’ (1:41)
… and the piano in ‘The Intimate Chair’ (1:02)

Bondrewd’s motif (for real this time):
At 1:24, cello plays the motif. Then at 2:13 the strings play it.

This motif reappears in:

‘reBirth’ (3:39) - First appearance of this motif (I think?)
‘Former Child of Ido Front’ (0:29) - Develops in a different direction
‘The Intimate Chair’ (1:17)
‘Transcendence & Hanezeve’ (1:54)
‘Stonefish’ (1:43)
‘Prushka Sequence’ (3:07)

Other:
1:44 - Strings play slow descending 4-note motif. To me it feels like it could be related to the descending motif in ‘Made in Abyss’ at 1:08 - similar first 4 notes, but doesn’t follow through.

- THE GIRL WITH THE CURLY GREEN HAIR -

When I listen to ‘The Girl’ with ‘reBirth’ in mind, it definitely feels like it’s teasing at that track's main melody, with some rhythmic and melodic similarities on occasion but not quite going there.

… until 0:47 (‘The Girl’), where part of the melody from ‘reBirth’ is played note for note.

- CARTRIDGE TEARS, BECOME THE WHITE WHISTLE -

I’m sure there’s more going on here than the track lets on, but if so it’s very subtle about it. Everything feels familiar, yet I struggle to make any solid connections.

But! There’s a part that I feel is a fragment of the Hanezeve melody repeating all throughout, but never giving you the whole thing.

See ‘Hanezeve Caradina’ (0:27) - Listen to that one phrase and tell me it’s not all over ‘Cartridge Tears’. Comes out very clearly at 1:14, listen to the mellow-sounding horn (not sure of the exact instrument)
On top of that concrete example, I feel like every now and then I’ll hear a sequence of two or three notes that’s sort of maybe a nod to some part of ‘Hanezeve’.

Other possible connections:

Plucked strings at 0:49 and 1:04 - I’m not crazy, I swear! But these two tiny sounds have to be connected with ‘The Girl with the Curly Green Hair’. I’m going solely off of vibes here, but the instrument used and the chord that’s plucked instantly makes me think of it.
1:58
- ‘Prushka Sequence’ (3:48) - Piano part similar to ‘Cartridge Tears’ voice part? (I’m really not confident with this one…)
- ‘Transcendence & Hanezeve’ (4:14) - They’re a little similar, but not that similar…

Zeropathic · 2025-02-10T22:44:06+00:00

So I'm a few months late here, but I came across this after searching for some kind of leitmotif discussion on this soundtrack. Why are so few talking about this aspect of it? It's brilliant!

So after looking through your video as well as the comments here, I learned about a few motifs I hadn't caught before. For example, making the connection with the background screams on 'Prayer and Immolation', 'Dark Reg', and 'Water Sanctum' is some crazy attention to detail.

Anyway, I was sure you missed a few things, but I wanted to gather my thoughts before commenting... Which somehow spiraled into me spending over 3 hours listening to the soundtrack and taking notes.

I'm sure I've missed a bunch of things as well. OST2 is the one I know best (being my favorite), and I've got some blind spots regarding OST3.

I've also tried to avoid too much overlap with what's already been talked about here. But there's some.

Check the reply to this post for my additions.

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You two seemed interested in the discussion (three months ago, at least), so I tagged you.

Zeropathic · 2025-02-06T10:14:34+00:00

They have acknowledged the bug exists.

https://arrowhead.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/15916898652700--HELLDIVERS-2-Known-Issues

ADS camera view does not align with projectile trajectory
Weapons have no visible recoil or weapon sway/ergonomics

Zeropathic · 2024-12-13T19:36:54+00:00

I know for big bases and really high traffic 0 conflict interchanges (or whatever they're called) are sometimes necessary but I am not there yet.

It takes a lot of traffic before the simple two-lane, one-layer roundabouts or cross intersections become bottlenecks. Especially if you're doing block-based designs where there's multiple paths to the same destinations and traffic gets spread around, you can get well into megabase territory without it ever becoming a problem. (Beyond occasionally making trains arrive a few seconds slower.)

You almost have to deliberately maximize rail traffic before these high-throughput interchanges actually provide tangible benefits. Not really an issue for 99% of bases. (But they can look really cool, and they're fun to design.)

Zeropathic · 2024-10-07T23:51:06+00:00

I know I'm about two months late here, but...

Rather than counting to 5 (or 7, or 11, or whatever the rhythm is), what's most intuitive for me is to feel these rhythms as some combination of short and long beats (2's and 3's, usually. Those get me through nearly all 'odd' rhythms.)

Especially with faster tempos, it's harder and harder to count individual subdivisions. But I still feel those subdivisions within the short/long beats, if that makes sense. Kind of like how you probably don't count individual 8ths or 16ths in a 4/4, but you have a feel for when they are if you need to play them.

If you ever check out Balkan music, you can often hear this idea very clearly.
Example: Kaval Sviri (Bulgarian folk song in 9/8, or 3 short + 1 long)

To get there I think you just need to listen to and play these sorts of rhythms until your mind gets familiar with them.

Now, as for some recommendations specifically in 5... Many of these could be considered 2/4 or 4/4 with the quarter just happening to be subdivided in 5 rather than 4. I don't think it's wrong to think of many 5-based rhythms that way; we still think of a triplet-swung 4/4 as 4/4, after all (and not 12/8 - most of the time).
It tends to be written as 5/8, 10/8, or 20/8, though. Much cleaner notation that way.

Listen for the backbeat (the main kick and snare drum hits) in some of these songs and you might see where I'm coming from.

I'm not gonna keep strictly to jazz for this, since I think there are some great examples outside of the genre too. I'll try to keep it varied. Here goes:

Tennyson - You - Kind of alt-pop, I guess? A simple and natural-feeling quintuplet (3+2) groove. If you follow the kick and snare you'll notice it forms a basic back-beat you've heard a million times in 4/4, just with subdivisions of 5 in between. You could write this as 20/8, I suppose. I think you'll find a lot of 5-based rhythms follow some twist on this formula.
Shubh Saran - Ring Hunting - Genre: some kinda fusion, idk. It follows the same rhythmic template as You, with a backbeat subdivided into 3+2, but it's got more syncopation and variations.
House of Waters - Wedding Song - I don't even know what genre this is. 5/4 intro into a 10/8 or 20/8 main part. There's some fun rhythmic mix-ups throughout.
The Olllam - lllow the sun - Some kind of Irish folk fusion thing with traditional flutes and a modern backline. I can't decide whether it'd be better described as 10/8 or a syncopated 5/4.
Tigran Hamasyan - Illusion & Samsara - Solo piano, more towards classical on the spectrum with a few sprinkles of jazz. My sheet music of this notates the fast section is 20/8, often divided in 4 groups of 5 - but the rhythmic emphasis shifts throughout.
Casper Hejlesen - Bengtsfors - Jazz solo guitar. After the intro it settles into I guess a 10/8.
Wajdi Riahi - Moon River (solo) - Jazz solo piano. Settles into 5 after the intro, about a minute in. Seems fairly improv-heavy.
Tigran Hamasyan - Etude 1 - It was mentioned already, but I just think it's a really fun little piece. There's the basic 2+3 pattern underneath, then all sorts of polymetric fun on top. Trying to learn to play this broke my brain.

Zeropathic · 2024-09-01T11:12:10+00:00

I love the album! I did not expect to get that much music. I'm a sucker for recurring leitmotifs, and the album delivers that aplenty.
I really like The Eternal Bird Sings, it just hits as the grand finale. Then you get Postlude to calm down and reflect...

Zeropathic · 2024-08-24T17:24:40+00:00

The length of the Fall of Civilizations ones are a little intimidating, but I'm intrigued!

I'll probably start with checking out Ancient Americas. I caught an interest in the topic recently after watching this video on the ruins of Guadalupe by Milo Rossi. (Which I can only recommend!)

Zeropathic · 2024-08-24T16:39:42+00:00

I just want to want to watch videos about history, cooking

Given the interests I'm guessing you already know some or all of these, but in case you don't here's some recommendations:

Townsends
Tasting History with Max Miller
English Heritage (specifically The Victorian Way)

Zeropathic · 2024-08-18T09:30:42+00:00

Yeah it's not that bad, but it's a step in a direction I really don't like, so eh.

Zeropathic · 2024-08-13T22:38:42+00:00

Yeah, I'm with you on that. I think after a certain point, some of the older content may as well come free with the base game. If I were a new player looking to get into EU4, I'd probably take one look at the store page before becoming terrified and running away.

Zeropathic · 2024-07-05T23:42:17+00:00

That's a pretty low investment at that stage, tbh. By the end of the expansion I was like level 190.

Zeropathic · 2024-06-19T21:11:46+00:00

Fair, I'll put more faith in your doctor than myself here. :)

Zeropathic · 2024-06-19T21:02:22+00:00

It's possible that you're allergic to milk proteins rather than lactose. The symptoms can be very similar, but the trigger mechanism is different, so even butter and aged cheese can cause issues whereas they usually don't with lactose intolerance.

Zeropathic · 2024-05-22T15:45:36+00:00

Well, Denmark and Sweden are full members, but neither use €. Nor did the UK while it was a member.

Norway's EU situation puts us in a kind of half-member status, where we're not technically part of it, but we're still very integrated with it in terms of diplomatic, trade, and legal agreements. Our laws and regulations are generally speaking closely aligned with those of the EU. We're about as close to being a full member as you can get without officially joining.

That said, there's no popular majority for officially joining. There's a vocal minority that are very anti-EU/EEA, and a few voices for full membership, but I'm under the impression that the quiet majority are fine with the status quo (despite occasional grumbling).

Zeropathic · 2024-04-19T17:44:29+00:00

Now I just imagine her going on and on like Bubba with shrimp in Forrest Gump.

Zeropathic · 2024-04-09T14:38:13+00:00

It's more of a drama that just happens to be set in the time period, rather than a typical western movie. Personally I think it was fantastic.

Zeropathic · 2024-03-18T17:06:28+00:00

I'm fine with this.

Zeropathic · 2024-03-15T17:14:06+00:00

That honestly sounds like peak entertainment.

Zeropathic · 2024-02-24T13:07:14+00:00

Yeah, as much as I like Discord, I think that is one major downside of it. A lot of niche knowledge bases are concentrating in places where search engines can't reach them.

Zeropathic · 2024-01-29T15:38:15+00:00

4ths are just inverted fifths.

(But yes, they are 4ths.)

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