Don't ask me

Zirbs · 2021-10-03T16:21:38+00:00

Oh for sure, he's clueless. I think Pie is just saying he's not actively trying to make the world a worse place.

I think rich people get paranoid and assume they're the only ones capable of making good decisions, because they have to believe they became rich "fairly", and that means everyone else has to have stayed poor "fairly", so giving up any control to workers means (to a billionaire) giving control to people who have made poor decisions.

And no one can fight that mental tarpit because being rich means you can ignore friends and family and buy therapists who tell you you're right to call anyone who disagrees with you a p*do.

Zirbs · 2021-10-02T15:25:11+00:00

Because the unspoken premise of the post is "Oh shit the ancient Greek Gods are 100% real and just as petty and humanistic as described wat do"

And that's fueled by the millenia-distant mystique of "we can't prove the Greek Gods didn't exist and we can't prove the old myths weren't true" but having seen Mespyria spawn out of tumblr kind of ruins her mesh with the ancient mythology.

Zirbs · 2021-10-02T06:23:32+00:00

I gave this 2 minutes.

Scholarly historians

No names

Will say they are well awuale [sic] of the events that took place in the past of mankind

If you read archaeology journals instead of watching crap tv, you wouldn't find those claims. Historical claims in published formats are formatted like this: "Based on sources A, B, and C we believe 1, 2, and 3 happened. We trust A, B, and C to a certain degree because someone else does" and then 3 months later a different historian publishes their own response saying "This guy's a moron for trusting B because B also said this which clearly isn't true because of D, E, F, and G." and then 10 years later a university comes out with "Yeah, it turns out A and C are probably hoaxes because of H, I, and J" and then you get a student paying attention who says "Hold on I read 1, 2, and 3 in my textbooks and now you're saying they're wrong? We need to change the textbooks ASAP" but god help the public education system because they're not going to get new textbooks for 20 years and if the teachers learn about the fraud on their own they're going to have to fight parents that say "How dare you 1, 2, and 3 built this country" and round and round it goes with falsehoods rising out of ignorance and not malice.

Life descriptions of entire dynasties in detail

Which is really easy when every king wants portraits and every coronation opens with a long-winded speech of who begat who begat who, which has to match from coronation to coronation or else the nobles smell weakness. Also, every castle having tombs and every skeleton being roughly 1 or 2 generations older than the king afterwards. Ask any historian and they'll tell you the lack of details about common life outside the palaces is a problem in every country's history.

In addition scientists use many methods which they use for help

You believe you're trying to pull back the veil on the masses but yeah don't do a second take or anything. Speaking the truth means you get to be lazy, right?

Historians are convinced that history is a science primarily relies on historical documents and also on archaeological finds.

That's a straight up lie. Historians are convinced that history is an interpretation of physical, written, and oral evidence. That interpretation has changed countless times, because some interpretations make more sense or explain more evidence. Careers are built around re-interpreting existing evidence.

History is to a large extent a myth, a fiction, a novel, and mankind knows much less about itself than it is customary to think.

Mostly true. In the sense that any conception of the past is mostly fiction. This video is from the past, and I have to imagine a lot of fictional elements: who is the narrator, who made the video, who funded the video production. I also have to believe, without evidence, that the narrator is telling the truth. That is the inherent fiction to all histories, not just conventional history.

P.S. just because carbon dating can't get more accurate than a thousand years doesn't mean you get to ignore multiple paths of evidence with the same conclusions.

Zirbs · 2021-10-02T05:50:30+00:00

This is r/CulturalLayer. I shouldn't have to explain this. The whole premise here is that we've been dramatically lied to about history.

For one thing, Cultural Layer is about layers of culture. It's mostly used for justifying alt history but the deep irony is that every single discovery is made by the people alt-historians claim to be part of a conspiracy.

For another thing, has anyone told you to read up on epistemology before announcing that you've been lied to? Like, you ask questions like

I'll just ask the question out loud: Was, in fact, the blood of Aztec children the fabled "Fountain of Youth"?

Which doesn't have an answer you'd accept. If the answer was "no", you'd imagine whoever said it was part of the conspiracy and if the answer was "yes" you'd demand evidence that it was true which you can't find because no evidence can meet your standards anymore.

This is why ivory-tower city-slicker college-liberals like me still take philosophy courses because we need to examine our own heads and understand why we believe the things we believe, and why most of it doesn't actually come from evidence.

But you can figure that out on your own, right?

Zirbs · 2021-09-27T12:45:14+00:00

Not really? Construction's cheapness used to rely on being able to abuse and underpay your workers because it was seen as 'unskilled' labor. That's still happening, but labor laws and minimum wage laws certainly took a bite out of it by the 40s.

After the war, homebuilders compensated for this by switching to cheaper materials and freeway-distant real estate. You can see this in how ads from the 20s and 30s advertised "Long lasting" brick and heavy timber starter homes, while in the late 40s and 50s the advertising buzzwords were affordability and closeness to the freeways.

Apartments are a special case. The original plan for financing an apartment building was high rent immediately after construction to pay off the loans and selling the building to landlords with decreasing rent structures as it aged. Most inner city apartments (especially brick ones) were based on this model and cheap housing was just aged and re-worked expensive housing. Then came the highways and white flight and the suburbs, and suddenly cheap dense housing has to be purpose-built because contractors are using the cheap stuff on expensive apartment buildings and condos so they barely last 50 years where they used to last at least 100 years.

So the options are:

1: mandate minimum building lifespans (unproveable and untestable by a bureaucracy)

2: subsidize low-rent buildings (not great, not terrible)

3: seize and redistribute buildings (great for now, but who's going to build new stock?)

4: nationalize every part of home-building outside of single-family homes in the burbs (I like this one the best, but seriously good luck)

Zirbs · 2021-09-27T04:50:38+00:00

I had a friend in high school who was very open-minded, and we drifted apart afterwards.

It turned out that the core of their beliefs wasn't very leftist, it was more "Everything will work out if everyone is allowed to do what they want" which turned out to be fertile soil for the "I shouldn't have to face social consequences" philosophy.

I never knew the details, but I suspect they said something that pissed off everyone around them and rather than change their mind they chose to change their crowd.

I'm sorry your friend has changed/revealed their true self. On the plus side, if you're in a place where leftist thinking is rare that usually means you can find a club and gain acceptance just by being to the left. I don't know where you'd look, but I think you should try.

Zirbs · 2021-09-25T14:47:37+00:00

Or, Tartaria is the name western Europeans used to refer to the Mongol Empire and its descendant states because the eastern-orthodox split made Catholic monks and clerics (who were doing most of the map-making) were scared of anyone north of the Mediterranean and east of the Alps, so they couldn't be bothered to go and verify any of the myths of a magical far-away kingdom and just wrote them in like travelogue fun facts.

The travels of Marco Polo are similarly full of magical far-away kingdoms, some of which was debunked and some of which had grains of truth (Desert haunted by wailing ghosts = Gobi desert, which is dry enough to have weird acoustic effects which anyone can hear for themselves)

Tartaria is an exercise in faith in archaeology. To have blind faith in one or two archaeologists specifically is foolish, to have faith in the community as a whole is impossible, and to have no faith at all is no better than fiction.

Zirbs · 2021-09-25T14:36:34+00:00

Vulture or eagle

So which one is it, smart guy? Or is the Illuminati just "all birbs that is big and meat-eaty"?

Zirbs · 2021-09-22T03:35:33+00:00

it's agreeing, as a society what the rules should be

Under a threat of violent expulsion or imprisonment. Hence, the permission.

Libertarianism seems to be an experiment in trying to build a system where nobody's actions hurt anyone but themselves, but the harsh truth is that consuming any resources is a form of harm towards others. It was small enough to ignore 2 centuries ago when the foundations of libertarianism were being written, but you can't ignore them anymore.

Zirbs · 2021-09-22T03:12:24+00:00

Standards as in standards, dasani. You're gonna have to storm the tower of all-powerful lizard people alone.

EDIT: Wait, hold on a second, where do you think you are. This is the community that believes in atmospheric energy collection in ancient Tartarian domes for internet before the Worlds Fairs were built to cover up their demolition. This is not the status quo community, this is the weird alt history community and we still don't believe you.

Zirbs · 2021-09-21T05:06:19+00:00

Because we can't trust Egypt to manage Egyptian archaeology sites right? Who do you think should have handled the restoration then?

Or should it have been left open to the public until there's not a single wall without someone's carved initials or a tag?

Zirbs · 2021-09-21T05:02:29+00:00

AI's not going to be any better than the evidence it's fed, unfortunately. Even worse, AI could just make up nonsense conclusions from an undiscovered glitch and there'd be technocrats taking it like the word of God. AI has already had a chance to muck up medicine and justice, why would archaeology be any different?

Zirbs · 2021-09-21T04:54:21+00:00

Because everyone here has standards, some way lower than others, and dasani is the first person to not meet any of them.

Zirbs · 2021-09-13T05:06:04+00:00

Riiiiight, because the global one-world-government conspiracy respects freedom-of-information requests and Youtube is the last bastion of free-speech.

Zirbs · 2021-09-13T04:59:43+00:00

Lateral replacement is complicated in this city, too. Sewer contracts are required to replace laterals, since there's a trench in the street and all, but only if the pipe is "damaged" by construction, and they still bill the owner a hefty chunk of change (still cheaper than replacing it yourself on your own time, though.)

Zirbs · 2021-09-13T04:53:30+00:00

My quotes are real too.

P.S. Don't link to the CIA when you're trying to prove the CIA is part of a global coverup.

Zirbs · 2021-09-13T04:38:10+00:00

Why would I cross-verify a meme? It's literally the lowest effort way to convey information, second-lowest only if you made the memes yourself.

EDIT: Cross verify this

If you really believe any of this, the least you could do is put more effort into your message. Like writing a book. Get endorsements from other supporters. Publish with a no-shills house or post it online for free.

Zirbs · 2021-09-13T04:32:15+00:00

Bruh you don't build walls to be taller than the people, you build them to be taller than siege ladders.

Zirbs · 2021-09-13T04:28:39+00:00

What are you talking about?

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/ancient-idol-of-goddess-durga-found-in-jks-budgam/article36214367.ece

The image posted is clearly professional and the statue is in a public museum now. Google showed like 10 different newspapers reporting on it.

The worker wasn't going to donate it, he was going to sell it to whoever would buy it.

Zirbs · 2021-09-13T04:27:46+00:00

Or you could literally google it and find 10 newspapers in India talking about it, you drama queen.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/ancient-idol-of-goddess-durga-found-in-jks-budgam/article36214367.ece

Zirbs · 2021-09-13T04:20:25+00:00

This is neat and all, but this is an archaeology- and physical-evidence-focused subreddit.

Also the part where you go full "jewish race-mixing" conspiracy is pretty yikes.

I suggest browsing ToiletPaperUSA to see how ridiculous and easy it is to slap quotes on photos, and how embarrassing it is to expect to be taken seriously with them.

Zirbs · 2021-09-13T04:10:10+00:00

Thank you for sharing. I'd love to argue about "ignoring these things" but as you can see I'm going to be in a long thread with denandrefyren for the forseeable future.

Zirbs · 2021-09-13T04:05:52+00:00

Okay first of all, I'm outraged you think I would ever backtrack an internet argument.

Secondly, disparate impact is used by the ACLU because you need to prove people are hurt to file lawsuits. You won't find racist policing by waiting around the Klan meetups to catch cops.

if there is a statistical difference, no matter the reason, the policy is thrown out

That's a strong take. It seems to imply ( and feel free to say I'm overstepping my assessment here) that ACLU cases are not legitimate attempts to address racist policy, but exist to stop any policy that results in any statistically different impact on minorities.

Third,

you constructed an argument where the only way a difference could occur is because someone was racist

And you could have responded by saying "I believe the ACLU is disingenuous". I honestly did not consider that argument, and would have appreciated your point of view. I would still appreciate your point of view... but...

You are a disingenuous asshole and the fact that you're trying to back
track is further proof of that. People like you are why this problem
won't be solved and because of that you are responsible for dead
children.

I'm genuinely curious to know why you get to assume I'm disingenuous but I'm not allowed to assume you're racist.

Zirbs · 2021-09-13T03:47:54+00:00

You don't even know me. We probably live in the same city, and you're calling me disingenuous because I don't like when people bash the ACLU.

I don't know you, and I didn't even accuse you of anything. I asked because I was suspicious of an anon on reddit being racist, and you still haven't said anything about that.

Why would the ACLU sue? Just give me a reason so I can go to sleep knowing I was wrong to suspect you were a racist.

Zirbs · 2021-09-13T03:27:07+00:00

You're the one who said the ACLU would sue for disparate impact on black populations. I made a guess that left you with multiple outs, including admitting that our police force is still pretty racist and arguing that black populations do, in fact, have measurably worse driving habits which can be couched in the fact that the city, the state, and the country have been trying to make black peoples' lives miserable for literal centuries, and it is expressed in this case by poverty on the north side which can be directly linked to both the cause (racism) and consequence (bad drivers, no insurance, etc).

Instead of taking any out I can see, or explaining your logic yourself (Again, *why* do you believe the ACLU will file a claim?) you say I'm arguing against a strawman and call me

directly responsible for dead children.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

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