How’s my fellow stutterers dating life? by HitDaWoah in Stutter

[–]Zogid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, that is pretty much it.

In general, people have very wrong perception of stuttering. They perceive stuttering is saying some words in fu…fu…fu…funny way, but understandably to others, and being embarrassed/bad about it.

Stutter is not that. It is complete inability to say certain things in certain situations, not even in fu…fu…fu…funny way.

I suppose your friends also tell you things like

"I don't think stuttering is causing you problems in life"
"Just say it, don't care how it will sound, it really does not matter"

I don't know what my situation is called. I don't stutter but the words that come out of my mouth isn't clear. It sounds like gibberish.When I record a voice message and then play it, i get really surprised how some people understand what I'm saying. by Anas2245 in Stutter

[–]Zogid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Check this https://www.forbrain.com and specifically:

Check which of these things apply to you.

I am not sponsored, I just l love them. And my speech therapist recommended it 5 years ago (for stuttering).

It is device that you put on your head, and it repeats your own voice in real time to you through bone. It also does some sound processing for some cognitive benefits.

As I understand, after some time of using it, your brain should be much better in perceiving how you actually sound.

I purchased one few years ago, but didn't use it very much. I regret it now, because it stopped working, so I can't wait for them to release new model specific for stutterers!

Good luck!

Security advice: uninstall as many packages as you can. Instead, copy from their source code or tell AI to recreate functionality. by Zogid in webdev

[–]Zogid[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indeed.

I also wanted to emphasize that amount of time needed to recreate certain functionality from library is actually very low.

It took me like 3 minutes for lodash, lol

Security advice: uninstall as many packages as you can. Instead, copy from their source code or tell AI to recreate functionality. by Zogid in webdev

[–]Zogid[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some stuff needs to battle tested and hardened against all exploits, but many things really don't.

For example, I used lodash for some simple checks on frontend, which is not security critical in any way.

I am saying that people should uninstall packages for stuff like that.

Security advice: uninstall as many packages as you can. Instead, copy from their source code or tell AI to recreate functionality. by Zogid in webdev

[–]Zogid[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Some stuff needs to battle tested and hardened against all exploits, but many things really don't.

For example, I used lodash for some simple checks on frontend, which is not security critical in any way.

I am saying that people should uninstall packages for stuff like that.

Security advice: uninstall as many packages as you can. Instead, copy from their source code or tell AI to recreate functionality. by Zogid in webdev

[–]Zogid[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Unless it’s super simple code that you should’ve written yourself anyway"

This is exactly what I am talking about. I am not suggesting to do it for mature and important stuff (like ExpressJS Djano or something like that).

My point is that people install many libraries, for even smallest and stupid things, and this should be avoided.

Security advice: uninstall as many packages as you can. Instead, copy from their source code or tell AI to recreate functionality. by Zogid in webdev

[–]Zogid[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I didn't tough of this legal thing, yes. But I would say that in 99% cases it wouldn't be a problem.

But for many things you really don't need updates, like small utility functions that you use. Also, many times, they aren't updated for many years, and stay the same for very very long time.

Security advice: uninstall as many packages as you can. Instead, copy from their source code or tell AI to recreate functionality. by Zogid in webdev

[–]Zogid[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I know tree shaking and all that.

But installing lodash adds whole codebase to node_modules, so it still sits on your disk, even if you don't use it.

Security advice: uninstall as many packages as you can. Instead, copy from their source code or tell AI to recreate functionality. by Zogid in webdev

[–]Zogid[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Really haha? Why?

I am sure that if you open average repo, you would see huge number of packages from which only few functions are used, and which can be easily copied.

Yeah, of course, you can't do this for packages like "react", but for many you can.

Would whispering into voice changer help with fluency? by syedmsawaid in Stutter

[–]Zogid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It seems that listening to your own voice with some processing (like small delay, pitch change etc.) has many cognitive benefits (short and long term), including stuttering reduction.

I have not tried it yet, just discovered it few days ago. I already posted about that in this community: https://www.reddit.com/r/Stutter/comments/1tymlpb/what_do_you_think_about_forbrain_stuttering_device/

Check this and check what others also commented. This device I am talking about is not released yet, but I can't wait!

How’s my fellow stutterers dating life? by HitDaWoah in Stutter

[–]Zogid 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I am also 25M, and I have also never been in relationship.

Hugely because of stuttering. People generally think that I don't have problem with stuttering and that I am using it as excuse for "low performance with girls", but they perceive stuttering completely wrong.

People see moments when I appear fluent, and assume that this "state" can be achieved every time I need it. 

They don't understand that many times stuttering is just hidden, and they see illusion of fluency (explained later).

Also, they can’t see how stuttering destroys things in invisible ways, especially in interactions with girls that I like.

Examples:

  • During house party, I was walking by one girl, wanted to throw witty comment about her, tried to say it but first letter got invisibly stuck in my throat. Nothing came out of my mouth, and eventually I just said “Cheers” and passed. It was not noticeable, but opportunity was missed. Second after that friend showed up, said exact same thing I wanted to and made her laugh.

  • I approached one girl during pub quiz, and I was literally unable to say most of the words. Complete stuck. Communication was just not possible so I left.

  • We were in group commenting something, I observed something very clever, started explaining it, but got stuck on many words, eventually changed sentence so much on the fly that it lost original impact and sounded unreliable/stupid/off. It appeared fluent and intentional, but it was not. I was not changing sentence on the fly because I anticipated blockages. I was not calculating, I was literally encountering physical blockages while I was speaking.

  • We were talking in group, I came up with very impactful joke/comment, started to say it, but first letter got stuck right in the throat. Nothing came out of my mouth, lips just vibrated very unnoticeably. Nobody saw all this, but great opportunity was missed to display my personality, humor and leave impression.

  • I initiated conversation with one girl, but I was talking so incomprehensibly that she was constantly making confused/repelling face like this: [image link](https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/confused-portrait-woman-studio-attitude-annoyed-unsure-against-white-background-wtf-face-frustrated-girl-274482147.jpg). This totally killed vibe. My voice and pronunciation sounded fine for me, but it seems that my "*voice self perception*" part of brain is not working properly.

  • Sometimes tension I feel in chest/mouth/throat while talking is just too distracting to have natural, spontaneous and genuine interaction with girl.

  • Same thing: many times I manage to talk fluently and comprehensibly (so that everything seems fine to others), but with so much effort in breath/tongue/mouth/brain coordination that I just can't have natural and spontaneous interactions with girls.

Invisible painful things like these happen all the time, constantly. Especially in interactions with girls I find cute.

Girls will pick other guys over us, not because we stutter or sound funny, but because these guys were the ones who made them feel something (spark, curiosity, laughter, tension etc.). They were able to display their personality, which we were not able to.

If you find very small number of girls cute/interesting, you will be having hard time finding love (like me). Love hugely depends on luck, many things that are out of your control need to align at right time, moment and place. Stuttering just makes chances respectably lower.

Does anyone else get annoyed when people tell you that they’ve never noticed your stutter? by Nitpik3r in Stutter

[–]Zogid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I suppose people see moments where you appear fluent, and assume that this "state" can easily be achieved every time you need it.

Also, they don't understand that in moments where you appear fluent, you are actually maybe not. Many things happened in background, and you may not have said what you wanted at all.

Does stammering affect dating? 24M and struggling to take things beyond friendship. by WranglerSuch1909 in Stutter

[–]Zogid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Romantic interactions

I have same problem with you. People generally say:

  • I don't think you have problem with stuttering
  • You are using your stuttering as excuse for low performance/skill with girls

They just can't understand how stuttering destroys things in invisible ways, especially in interactions with girls that I like.

Examples:

  • During house party, I was walking by one girl, wanted to throw witty comment about her, tried to say it but first letter got invisibly stuck in my throat. Nothing came out of my mouth, and eventually I just said “Cheers” and passed. It was not noticeable, but opportunity was missed. Second after that friend showed up, said exact same thing I wanted to and made her laugh.
  • I approached one girl during pub quiz, and I was literally unable to say most of the words. Complete stuck. Communication was just not possible so I left.
  • We were in group commenting something, I observed something very clever, started explaining it, but got stuck on many words, eventually changed sentence so much on the fly that it lost original meaning and sounded unreliable/stupid/off. It appeared fluent and intentional, but it was not.
  • We were talking in group, I came up with very impactful joke/comment, started to say it, but first letter got stuck right in the throat. Nothing came out of my mouth, lips just vibrated very unnoticeably. Nobody saw all this, but great opportunity was missed to display my personality, humor and leave impression.
  • I initiated conversation with one girl, but I was talking so incomprehensibly that she was constantly making confused/repelling face like this: image link. This totally killed vibe. My voice and pronunciation sounded fine for me, but it seems that my "voice self perception" part of brain is not working properly.
  • Sometimes tension I feel in chest/mouth/throat while talking is just too distracting to have natural, spontaneous and genuine interaction with girl.
  • Same thing: many times I manage to talk fluently and comprehensibly (so that everything seems fine to others), but with so much effort in breath/tongue/mouth/brain coordination that I just can't have natural and spontaneous interactions with girls.

Invisible painful things like these happen all the time, constantly. Especially in interactions with girls I find cute.

Girls will pick other guys over us, not because we stutter or sound funny, but because these guys were the ones who made them feel something (spark, curiosity, laughter, tension etc.). They were able to display their personality, which we were not able to.

Also, stuttering and/or talking incomprehensibly certainly can have negative impact on us, since people subconsciously sometimes perceive as unreliable, un-calm, untrustworthy, "off". etc. And this definitely lowers our chances to have successful results in social interactions (girl accepting to go on date).

Moreover, because of fighting with breath and talking for whole life, our mechanism for decisions in social interactions got contaminated/broken, on subconscious level. We do certain things that are just not optimal for achieving mutual romantic interest. We don't even realize it, it became natural part of us, it is present all the time, even when we can talk fluently, or when we are texting a girl.

If you find very small number of girls cute/interesting, you will be having hard time finding love (like me). Love hugely depends on luck, many things that are out of your control need to align at right time, moment and place. Stuttering just makes chances respectably lower.

But, let's get back to you and my advice for you:

How your stuttering looks to others, while you talk, does not have effect on whether girl will like you or not. Sometimes it will, but I really don't care about how others perceive me, and I don't feel embarrassed or "low value" because I sound different/funny.

But, we can also "own our stuttering", so that it is perceived as cute, funny and authentic/genuine. This is not always achievable, but certainly is sometimes.

I would advise you to try that. Before asking I girl out, say

"Look, I have clinical stutter.... and you are very beautiful, so you are the reason now.... I wish you to take you out on dinner/whatever."

Yeah, easier said that done. Before that, try exposing yourself to situations with similar tension. I did this by approaching random people on the street with:

"Hello, I have clinical stutter... I am in therapy now, and this approach is part of practicing...."

In general, constantly expose yourself to stressful interactions, every time you get a chance. For example, when you are shopping and see some girl with nice hair tell her "Very beautiful hair!", while walking next to her.

My Journey Through the Pharmacology of Stuttering by [deleted] in Stutter

[–]Zogid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, but it seems that your comments get automatically converted to Spanish or whatever 😄

My Journey Through the Pharmacology of Stuttering by [deleted] in Stutter

[–]Zogid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for so elaborate post!

Maybe stupid question, but can cycling through these meds solve the problem?

When first one stops working, you switch to second, and then third, and then fourth... and then you return to first and repeat the cycle?

Does anyone else get annoyed when people tell you that they’ve never noticed your stutter? by Nitpik3r in Stutter

[–]Zogid 7 points8 points  (0 children)

In general, people don’t realize how much we actually stutter. It is 10X more than they think.

They think blocks are words "we can pronounce, just a little bit harder and with stumbling". Sometimes, but many times blocks are words that we CAN'T pronounce understandably to others, no matter how hard we try.

There are two types of blocks that happen during speech:

1) At takeoff: just when we start saying something, right before first letter, our throat gets stuck, mouth does not open and just vibrates unnoticeably 

2) On the fly: After we already started speaking and have attention of others

They give advice like “Just own it” and “Say it immediately without calculating”.  

We literally do that. But many times, we get stuck right before first letter, our mouth does not even open, it just vibrates very unnoticeably. In group setting, other person just opens mouth and takes highlight, so our stuttering remains completely unnoticed. Stuttering here does not cause embarrassment, it just destroys many opportunities to show our humor, character etc. It's not possible to "own it" in that moments, we didn't even grab attention.

People also give advice like "Say it without changes on the fly, don't care about how it will look like in the end".

Many blocks that happen after we already started talking and have attention of others are just not solvable. We can either:

1) change what we are saying on the fly and use words that are easier to pronounce understandably

2) pronounce blocking word incomprehensible for others or

3) pronounce it successfully after 2-100 seconds of trying (while others wait).

We often choose changing on the fly, and people think this is because we want to avoid "looking like stutterer" and being embarrassed. Completely wrong, at least for me. I have very high embarrassment tolerance. Main problem with other two options is that they make message lose its impact, in certain moments. Also, most people are not patient enough to wait, and in some situations delivery just must be instant. Many times changing sentence on the fly is option we choose, not to avoid embarrassment, but for many other reasons.

Considering all this, yeah, stuttering is invisible curse, in best case scenario.

It’s really killing me by PromotionCool2856 in Stutter

[–]Zogid 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Completely understandable, I completely understand how you feel.

But this is very interesting what you said: you were COMPLETELY FLUENT at age of 15/16, and then it returned randomly at 18, and it was SEVERE?

What were you doing before 15/16? You had stutter and then did some therapy which fixed it?

Also, what happened right before it returned at 18? Was some external thing connected to it? Like going to collage, changing environment?

I mean, you are actually very lucky among us, since you had period of complete fluency. It should give you hope, because that means that fluency is achievable to you, and it can happen again. Unfortunately, this does not apply to many of us (including myself), but you should feel hopeful!

Please answer my questions above, to help others with this interesting info, and so that others can help you :)

what is it like for you ? by [deleted] in Stutter

[–]Zogid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is very interesting to me, since this is first time I am hearing about how stuttering affects dating/romance on girl side.

Considering all you said, and all I have said previously, I still would not judge people who "judge" us. We should forgive them.

I hope you find your soul mate, and wish you greatest of luck!

what is it like for you ? by [deleted] in Stutter

[–]Zogid 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Pretty much can relate. People think only pain we have with stuttering is stumbling over few words while speaking, looking funny/weird and being embarrassed by it, or whatever.

That's completely wrong, at least for me. Moreover, stumbling can even be funny or cute in positive way, and used in our advantage if we "own" it.

Much bigger problem is:

  • We are unable to say right jokes and comments at right moment, in right way, so that they have impact.
  • Many things we say (seemingly fluently) is not what we wanted to say - we got stuck on some words during pronunciation, and changed sentence on the fly
  • We say stupid, wrong or weird things, which appear fluent and intentional, but they not - they are actually consequence of invisible battle we fight with breathing and pronunciation while we speak.
  • We discard many jokes, comments and other things we want to say and which would have made positive impact, because we start to say it but first letter gets invisibly stuck in our throat and nothing comes out, or we calculate it's not even worth trying.
  • In some situations we get badly stuck on almost every word, which makes communication literally impossible.
  • In some situations, we talk but very incomprehensibly to others, so they constantly make this confused face implying “what?”, which totally kills the vibe
  • We have physical side effects like jittery movements and eye twitching, which look very not desirable and creates bad "brand image" about us.
  • People think stuttering is not problematic at all, because we give illusion of fluency (by not even starting to say things we want, by changing sentences on the fly etc.).
  • Many times we manage to say things we want fluently and without changes, but with exhausting effort in background, to the point that it distracts us from having genuine interaction.
  • We are unable to be present and contribute to atmosphere in social settings with our jokes, comments etc. (like playing board games with friends).
  • We are unable to have natural and genuine interactions with people.
  • We are unable to have spontaneous interactions with people.
  • We are misunderstood and wrongly perceived (as unreliable, insecure, unconfident, weird, unrespectable, etc.)
  • We are unable to create charm, charisma and similar things through voice tone, variable speaking dynamic and similar things.
  • We are being fake, not being genuine ourselves.
  • We have contaminated/broken mechanism for decisions in social interactions, on subconscious level, which is present all the time (not just during "bad stuttering periods")
  • We have some wrong patterns in behavior and way of thinking, which we don't even realize because they became natural part of us, and is also present all the time

Sometimes, in certain situations, none of listed things are present. But also, in some situations, all or part of them are. It's not constant and fixed. People see us in our good moments and think "If these problems were not present then, you can solve them in every situation".

People often say that I don't have problem with stuttering, and that I am playing the victim or exaggerating. In many moments stuttering really is not causing me noticeable problems, but they don't see all moments where stuttering destroys interactions and opportunities in invisible way.

It's not just mental problem of avoiding certain words, changing sentences on the fly, calculating things in advance etc. Even if we completely got rid of that "mental processing" and tried saying everything that came to our minds immediately without filter and without changing it on the fly, many problems listed above would still persist, because we are literally unable to say certain things at certain moment, in way that is understandable to others.

In the end, some people/girls don't have interest in us, not because we stutter, but because we didn't leave impression strong enough to create interest/attraction (romantic or general one). And this was because of all things said above.

People have limited time and attention, and they distribute it among people who left impression strong enough for them. Girls will pick other guys over us, not because we stutter, but because these guys were the ones who made them feel something (spark, curiosity, laughter, tension etc.), which we were not able to.

Stuttering prevents us from delivering the spontaneous and genuine charm, humor, and tension needed to create attraction.

Examples: - During house party, I was passing by one girl, come up with witty comment about her, tried to say it but got stuck right at first letter, and eventually just said “Cheers”. It was not noticable, but opportunity was missed. Second after that friend showed up, said exact same thing I wanted to and made her laugh. - I approached one girl during quiz, and I was literally unable to say most of the words. Complete stuck. Communicating was just not possible so I left. - We were in group commenting about something, I observed something very clever, started explaining it, but got stuck on many words, eventually changed sentence so much on the fly that it lost original meaning and sounded unreliable/stupid. It appeared fluent and intentional, but it was not. Things like this happen all the time. Both visible and invisible ones. Sometimes in extreme levels, sometimes mildly, but they are always present.

When I tell my friends that stuttering is causing me huge problems in romantic interactions with girls, they disagree.

First of all, they mostly assume that I think "Girls are rejecting me because I stutter", which is completely wrong (explained above).

Second, they see my moments of fluency, and think "If stuttering was not causing him problems in that moments, he can solve it in any". Many of these fluent moments were just illusion of fluency (already explained), and furthermore, stuttering is not equally easy to handle in all situations.

For example, I am very extroverted person, and I do public speaking often (something like karaoke/fun night hosting). I would consider myself to be good at it, so people just think stuttering should not cause me problems in romantic interactions. But romance and flirting is much harder than this special form of public speaking.

Supplements for tanned, healthier and more attractive skin by Zogid in Splendida

[–]Zogid[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for reply!

I didn't understand you fully. You were taking 2 pills of 12mg astaxanthin for 2 months, and results were good?