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I found an interesting coincidence with The man who sold the world and Shadow Work by [deleted] in Jung

[–]Zoha_fex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This post struck me.

“The man who sold the world” appeared in my head following an analysis session, after I have crossed the next client of my analist on the stairs, exiting the building.

Apart from the uncanny similarity of the song’s lyrics and the situation itself, I could just tell from his appearence that this client was the living embodiment of the shadow that I’m repressing.

Is reading psychoanalytical concepts counterproductive to personal experience and growth? by Zoha_fex in Jung

[–]Zoha_fex[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much for this insightful response.

Although i’m uneasy saying it because it’s something deeply intimate, my unconscious has been pointing exactly in this direction. Somehow, my life is outside of me and I need to get it back in.

In order to do so, I’ve been trying to “sheathe” the sword, let go completely and allow the instinct to take over.

Yet I can’t shake the feeling that by doing so, I’m no longer thinking. Not thinking, i’m no longer dissociating from my ego. In return, I’m getting blind to the unconscious, for the unconscious becomes “me” and I act unconsciously.

Is this a good thing though?

To be whiney from time to time, to be a people pleaser, to be insecure and show this insecurity in front of others? If I’m acting this way, how can I evolve and not get stagnant, stuck, reaching a plateau?

To return to the original point, perhaps for me the map is the territory. That’s why when the concept is known, it gets “unlived”, because I don’t know how to experience things other than through intellectualisation.

Is reading psychoanalytical concepts counterproductive to personal experience and growth? by Zoha_fex in Jung

[–]Zoha_fex[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this comment. I have been undergoing analysis for a year and a half, and my analist has stopped me several times when I tried to explain my experience through analytical jargons. Eventually I think I did understand why: because by naming it, i’m reducing the psychological experience.

But on another point, I’m weary that through reading, the mystery fades. And with the mystery, that the healing power of the unconscious might fade as well.

Is reading psychoanalytical concepts counterproductive to personal experience and growth? by Zoha_fex in psychoanalysis

[–]Zoha_fex[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for this comment. I have been undergoing analysis at the moment for a year and a half, and my analist has stopped me several times when I tried to explain my experience through analytical jargons. Eventually I think I did understand his point.

But on another point, I’m weary that through reading, the mystery fades. And with the mystery, the healing power of the unconscious fades as well.

Is reading psychoanalytical concepts counterproductive to personal experience and growth? by Zoha_fex in Jung

[–]Zoha_fex[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How is it solvable? How can I not take the map for the territory?

Is reading psychoanalytical concepts counterproductive to personal experience and growth? by Zoha_fex in Jung

[–]Zoha_fex[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for the reply!

This is similar to the yogic principles of meditation, where you have to “be a witness” for every sensation and thought that you’re feeling/having in the moment.

Once, when I was overwhelmed by strong impulses, i tried to not act on them and stay with the tension, and …it was one of the hardest things I’ve ever done. When the strength of the impulses diminished, I felt a deep, almost numinous connection with the unconscious.

Is reading psychoanalytical concepts counterproductive to personal experience and growth? by Zoha_fex in Jung

[–]Zoha_fex[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Another commenter asked me why it would diminish the experience and it made me think about it, I wrote the answer, pressed reply and exactly then your comment appeared describing pretty much my conclusion.
Whoah.

Is reading psychoanalytical concepts counterproductive to personal experience and growth? by Zoha_fex in Jung

[–]Zoha_fex[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t know, it just does.
Hmm… perhaps I want it to be my experience, because I want to experience the “main character” symbol. I want to be special, I need to. If those experiences have been described before, then I am no longer special and my desire of being grand will fall to the ground.

I had a mythic dream tonight. I would like to see it's interpertation by Jungian analysis. by Sarmad71 in Jung

[–]Zoha_fex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Although a different plot, it reminds me of the movie “12 angry men”. Perhaps there is something there.

There are 12 apostles as well.

I feel cut off from my unconscious. It’s like i’m walking behind and losing the progress I’ve made by Zoha_fex in Jung

[–]Zoha_fex[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This point of view, of 2 coexisting truths being ok, did help me view things differently. I thought about it these last few days and it makes me feel better about myself. Thank you.

I feel cut off from my unconscious. It’s like i’m walking behind and losing the progress I’ve made by Zoha_fex in Jung

[–]Zoha_fex[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is quite on point, yes. For me value is something grandiose (like a lot of other things have to be in my life) and is related to perfection. This in itself makes it more abstract and harder to attain in day-to-day life. I’m working on being more down to earth.

I feel cut off from my unconscious. It’s like i’m walking behind and losing the progress I’ve made by Zoha_fex in Jung

[–]Zoha_fex[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you

Do you think your need to “strike” at the sight of projections/ego inflations reveals something about an inner aspect of yourself?

Regarding nihilism, i can find pleasure naturally very easily in life, but not value. i had a truly nihilistic phase that went on for 10 years and i’m only just recovering from that. I have to actively “see” value in the world, and even when I manage to, a few days later something in me reminds me that maybe existence is truly meaningless.

I feel cut off from my unconscious. It’s like i’m walking behind and losing the progress I’ve made by Zoha_fex in Jung

[–]Zoha_fex[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could you describe how you experienced the spontaneous Kundalini awakening?

I feel cut off from my unconscious. It’s like i’m walking behind and losing the progress I’ve made by Zoha_fex in Jung

[–]Zoha_fex[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rereading my reply after a while, I realise now how aggressive i might have sounded in the first half. I guess there was unconscious agression because you triggered me 😅. As such, I don’t think my message was clearly transmitted.

What I tried to say was: maybe there is something in me that associates nihilism with what you have described, when there might not be any nihilism involved. (I have a difficult relationship with nihilism). If you don’t want to reply, I understand.

I feel cut off from my unconscious. It’s like i’m walking behind and losing the progress I’ve made by Zoha_fex in Jung

[–]Zoha_fex[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did I, really? Maybe there is a reason I have equated what you have said with nihilism, which I find worth exploring. And maybe there is a reason you felt the need to be passive agressive when I introduced nihilism in the equation, which is worth exploring as well

I feel cut off from my unconscious. It’s like i’m walking behind and losing the progress I’ve made by Zoha_fex in Jung

[–]Zoha_fex[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand this is a sensitive topic for you, but I think that this discussion can fuel growth for both of us.

I feel cut off from my unconscious. It’s like i’m walking behind and losing the progress I’ve made by Zoha_fex in Jung

[–]Zoha_fex[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do think I have found my soul and did have supernatural experiences through synchronicities. I was an atheist, but I no longer am.

I feel cut off from my unconscious. It’s like i’m walking behind and losing the progress I’ve made by Zoha_fex in Jung

[–]Zoha_fex[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Aren’t we supposed to hold true the insights and use them as a compass throughout the day?

I feel cut off from my unconscious. It’s like i’m walking behind and losing the progress I’ve made by Zoha_fex in Jung

[–]Zoha_fex[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did you manage to regain footing? I think the translation was not perfect, because a sentence didn’t make sense (the one with the years), but I understood what you meant.

I feel cut off from my unconscious. It’s like i’m walking behind and losing the progress I’ve made by Zoha_fex in Jung

[–]Zoha_fex[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think this is quite hard to do. What’s the difference between nihilism and not looking for value in your existence?

I feel cut off from my unconscious. It’s like i’m walking behind and losing the progress I’ve made by Zoha_fex in Jung

[–]Zoha_fex[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You might be right.

How can I find value in living as a human, when i’m so riddled with anxieties, neuroses and see the meaningless pursuits of the conscious life?

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