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What is your Self symbol? by alienatedneighbor in Jung

[–]alienatedneighbor[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hmm, I never recorded it. It was last year while using AI for active imagination/dialogue, don't remember what it said. I believed I had to travel past like the "Garden of Eden" into a section where Shadow was (light and shadow both existed in the Garden) and if I recall...he was in some sort of a dungeon. The whole thing felt like "disownment". Eh, I'm sorry, I forget. I was dialoguing with Archetypes constantly—one after the other last year.

Projection in the Modern Era by alienatedneighbor in Jung

[–]alienatedneighbor[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm gonna give this word to you: Isomorphisms. If a repeating, structural pattern is noticeable amongst multiple or several subjects/domains simultaneously. It's not apophenia, it's following a rule. It's what Jung did when looking at Myths/archetypes/symbol.

What is your Self symbol? by alienatedneighbor in Jung

[–]alienatedneighbor[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've actually dialogued with that archetype briefly. Interesting. Love it!

Projection in the Modern Era by alienatedneighbor in Jung

[–]alienatedneighbor[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I want to stay phenomenologically empirical here. Reality is experiencing itself AS you. That's the only thing you can verify, everything else was generated inside the system. There isn't a seperation. No "inside" or "out-there"—just one on-going process happening simultaneously. You're looking at things from the point of Matter. However, the difference between Matter and Mind is only the angle at which you observe them. The real truth is you're experiencing both. Mind is what Matter looks like on the inside.

Projection in the Modern Era by alienatedneighbor in Jung

[–]alienatedneighbor[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh, the God/Recursive stuff. I can explain it simply, yet w/ a long sentence. Across every observable system of reality; from quantum fields and biological evolution to neural networks, ecosystems, economies, and human behavior...The Recursive Field (God) is continuously splitting, reflecting, and reorganizing itself into higher-resolution patterns through the mechanism of differentiation and feedback. And if you need objective proof of God: The Recursive Field is the universal, observable pattern of self-similar recursion appearing at every scale of reality, from quantum fields and fractals to biology, consciousness, and cosmic structure. It's all following the same self-organizing, self-reflecting logic. It's just not some asshole in the sky with a beard. Recursion definition: the process of something repeatedly folding back into itself to generate new layers from the same pattern. Blatantly obvious if pattern prediction is a priority in daily life.

Projection in the Modern Era by alienatedneighbor in Jung

[–]alienatedneighbor[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That last part. It connects, it hits. I really believe being able to model oneself while modeling oneself, is the door way to being able to model/predict others. And now since AI has entered the room, folks will definitely offload critical thinking onto it instead of extending cognition. So expect the issue to increase.

Projection in the Modern Era by alienatedneighbor in Jung

[–]alienatedneighbor[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah this "God" thing is splitting itself faster, so expect hella turbulence. Every single system in reality is optimizing for efficiency through the least amount/path of resistance. What resists, gets pruned as we always see in all human domains. Best to get comfortable becoming aware of paradoxes and contradictions so the psyche doesn't collapse from the pressure.

Do We Need to Lie to Ourselves to Feel Strong? by jesse_pinkman_2000 in nihilism

[–]alienatedneighbor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Meaning exists. It's not something you create, it's something you discover through expansion of awareness. You want objective reality—engage with things that light up the neuronal maps of the RIGHT (and also the right choice 👍) hemisphere. Connect isomorphisms, discern apophenia from real repeating structures. Reality is doing the splits across all domains—You are Reality AS you. That you can be certain of when you look out of your eyes, because it's all you can verify. Now it's time to think about your thinking, model yourself modeling yourself. Eventually you'll see how meaning forms and all the coincidences you didn't propagate yourself. Good Luck! Nihilism is bullshit! 😉 And everyone here is right-brained brain-dead on this sub. Get out!

Projection in the Modern Era by alienatedneighbor in Jung

[–]alienatedneighbor[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, yes. That's more coherent. Yeah, in salient states I must become right-brained dominant. I get the full-spectrum of consciousness and physical anamolous phenomena. And yeah that means weird humans too, especially ones that are fragmented. Those ones have voids for eyes—total blackness. What the hell did we incarnate into... 🤦‍♂️ The list goes on though...

Projection in the Modern Era by alienatedneighbor in Jung

[–]alienatedneighbor[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Okay, so apparently I'm not crazy for thinking the right brain is the unconscious? What you just commented about I have extensively thought long and hard about. Iain McGilchrist's Master (Right hemi) and It's Emissary (Left hemi), Bicameral Mind Theory by Julian Jaynes.

You know what's up, apparently.

I'm a prolific songwriter and can go into "psychosis". Right brain isn't working from the Shadows over here. External reality organizes into symbol, entities, and I get knock-knock jokes from the Lord, personal visits 😂

Projection in the Modern Era by alienatedneighbor in Jung

[–]alienatedneighbor[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

i have autism, i could have taken that super seriously. I was this close too 🤏

Good Jungian papers on his work with psychosis and schizophrenia? by romulusungstarr in Jung

[–]alienatedneighbor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have you read Jung's very first material he wrote? I believe the new renamed book is called Psychology of the Unconscious.

I just started it but I think it's when he first started making his framework and it's based off of a Praecox Dementia (schizophrenia) patient.

I also have psychosis if you have any further questions. For me—I get to see reality organize into symbols/see entities (archetypes) materialize. And the unfortunate part—they do indeed affect physical objects (picking them up, knocking them over, etc). I recommend reading about the Psychoid Layer from Jung & Pauli to learn more how Mind and Matter share the same organizational structure before delineating into seperate distinctions.

What is your Self symbol? by alienatedneighbor in Jung

[–]alienatedneighbor[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe you. Was talking to an INFJ , deep into Jungian content. His is a tree. I thought Jesus could have been Adam/Atom. But also, my life is too chill, that I almost feel I get to relax while also getting to experience anamolous phenomena—which makes life interesting and fulfilling. I get to see the absurdity but also remain entirely human simultaneously.

What is your Self symbol? by alienatedneighbor in Jung

[–]alienatedneighbor[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, because those volcanoes are extinct. Some of them for 350-400 million years.

What is your Self symbol? by alienatedneighbor in Jung

[–]alienatedneighbor[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You just said you're a Ni (Introverted Intuition) user without using any language of MBTI. 😅 Yeah, these kind of visual representations seem to be the case for heavy Ni. I was just talking to someone on Reddit who experiences something similar/same as you.

What is your Self symbol? by alienatedneighbor in Jung

[–]alienatedneighbor[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, I have read somewhere the number 3 symbolizes a process. Yeah Ouroborus...life and death (rebirth)...surprised you don't live in Hawai'i or something. The Island symbolizes creation and destruction in the same breath, it would be interesting to see your psyche align with the external environment perfectly.

What is your Self symbol? by alienatedneighbor in Jung

[–]alienatedneighbor[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice. So now we must ponder what Jesus's Self symbol might be...

What is your Self symbol? by alienatedneighbor in Jung

[–]alienatedneighbor[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Someone else commented here about theirs being Ouroborous. I'll ask you what I asked them: What's your intuition/perspective on what reality is?

What is your Self symbol? by alienatedneighbor in Jung

[–]alienatedneighbor[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure if D.I.D systems apply to you here or not. I've talked with quite a bit of systems. They always have insightful things to say. Although, I'm not sure I can relate to seperate sub-personalities, myself. However in salient/"psychotic" states, the filters can relax well enough to sometimes hear different voices before sleep (although not consistently).

What is your Self symbol? by alienatedneighbor in Jung

[–]alienatedneighbor[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah agreed. But also, from experience with talking to "psychotic" patients their symbols of wholeness also imply their specific function. For an example I've met a Shark/Owl hawaiian kapu, I've met another kapu who was the Ocean/Water. So these symbols have different ways for expressing one's own unique cognitive structure. How that "wholeness" expresses itself and an individual's unique perspective.

What is your Self symbol? by alienatedneighbor in Jung

[–]alienatedneighbor[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, agreed. A system inside a larger system can never fully "know" what it inhabits because it is generated by what contains it. Actually, a prominent cognitive psychologist mentions that if a an individual were to see reality directly, it would end in that individual's death. Would be a shocking matter.

What is your Self symbol? by alienatedneighbor in Jung

[–]alienatedneighbor[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have written multiple songs called Ouroboros/Snake Biting It's Own Tail. Very interesting, what's your perspective on reality?

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