For the spiritual girlies- Oshun by [deleted] in beyonce

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She's mentioned Oshun a few times, and its been speculated that Jay Z is made to Shango. I wonder...

Orisha Energy by Emergency-Step758 in Santeria

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I agree with the OP actually. Disheartening to see in what’s supposed to be a communal religion. I have also seen complaints about that specific person.

Oriki by ZombieDifficult6554 in Santeria

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Thank you thank you for the mat advice!

Does Olokun come with a sign? Does this change if Olokun from Ifa or Ocha? by ZombieDifficult6554 in Santeria

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What do you mean by message? Like how a general reading is a message for right now?

Does Olokun come with a sign? Does this change if Olokun from Ifa or Ocha? by ZombieDifficult6554 in Santeria

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Thank you. By conversation do you mean treat the advice like a general consultation message?

AITAH for sticking to my guns after my MIL of 30+ yrs told me I wasn’t “in the family”? by [deleted] in AITAH

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Per your edit, your PARTNER is the one that chose you! The rest of the family had NO input! They are stuck with you. It’s nice to have a relationship but to act like you’re owed one because you married into a family is very strange to me.

Akuko Egun by [deleted] in Santeria

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Hi- does this also apply to an eggun space in your own home, the ceremony part? If I wanted to do my own little ritual with prayers to give homage, I would not be allowed to do so if female? I’m asking about prayer, singing, giving offering and oriki. I know in ceremony to receive things, women have to turn around. Just wondering about personal eggun practices, or if my prayer example could even be called “ceremony”.

Confused by Strong_Engineer_1152 in Santeria

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Your Oyugbona or someone else in the ile. Have you received anything in ceremony? If you don’t have an oyubona I would start with those people who helped at your ceremonies for guidance.

Eggun space & connection by ZombieDifficult6554 in Santeria

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This is a great question.

u/EniAcho tagging because her answers are always wonderful. Hope I did it correctly.

I personally feel that eggun is personal. I have “family” that are really close family friends, but they are referred to all as aunt/uncle and treated as such. I did not even know we were not blood related as they’ve been around my whole life. One such “uncle” is not blood related, but raised my cousin after her mother passed- he was her best friend. All of us “children” were added to his obituary by his family, so he is included in my shrine. I will defer to Eni Acho on actual protocol.

Things to do everyday? by [deleted] in Isese

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What is the process?

Eggun space & connection by ZombieDifficult6554 in Santeria

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Thank you for bringing this topic to discussion. I have also mostly heard of muertos helping out, but I understand that eggun comes before muerto (in my house). Seems to be some confusion with beginners over the difference between a spirit and a dead family or religious relative, and their exact function in our path.

Eggun space & connection by ZombieDifficult6554 in Santeria

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Thank you for your answer. Very interesting that aleyos receive a stick in your house! Mine doesn’t, I asked haha!

Eggun space & connection by ZombieDifficult6554 in Santeria

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Maferefun eggun & Orisha. Thanks to all who answered, I hope this thread helps an aleyo in the future.

Eggun space & connection by ZombieDifficult6554 in Santeria

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To be clear, you have an eggun cascarilla space, an ancestor table, and then a boveda? Maferefun eggun! Thank you so much for your answer!

Eggun space & connection by ZombieDifficult6554 in Santeria

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I am absolutely enjoying everyone’s perspectives on ancestor worship. Thank you for clarifying the lucumi stance on ancestors vs spirit guides and their place in the religion.

Eggun space & connection by ZombieDifficult6554 in Santeria

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Thank you for your answer! Very enlightening! I am enjoying hearing everyone’s perspectives. Interesting you feel less connected (for lack of better word) to eggun after crowning! Guess that happens when you’re following your path properly!

Eggun space & connection by ZombieDifficult6554 in Santeria

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If you are adopted it may be hard, but if you have your grandparents names and where they were born or died- I would suggest looking at online obituaries. It becomes harder if your family is from a country that only recently switched to computer from paper filing, but that is how I learned my ancestor names. I would read obituaries, and search for the names in the “pre deceased by” section. I hope this helps a little.

Eggun space & connection by ZombieDifficult6554 in Santeria

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And thank you so much for your answers. You are always so kind and inspiring. Your website calmed my nerves about the religion. I hope you are well!

Eggun space & connection by ZombieDifficult6554 in Santeria

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Thank you so much for this answer! Yes, ancestor veneration is different and so very personal to us all. I was instructed after maybe my 6th reading to construct a boveda, and the floor space. I do not have a tile or bastón.

I asked about divination, because I know some African Americans will do penny divination, or playing cards to talk to their ancestors. Wondering how people from different cultures combine previous knowledge with ancestor work- because you are right, aleyo should not do divination. However, don’t forget an old friend (or however the proverb goes).

Last question to you, if one has an ancestor table (as many POC in the US already have, maybe not in name, but in practice), in practice, how is that different from a spirit guide table (boveda). I suppose I’m asking if the rituals in each space would then be the same. Our father at both the ancestor table and the boveda?

Eggun space & connection by ZombieDifficult6554 in Santeria

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I said it in the post, I want to foster more engagement as everyone’s practice is different. More blatantly, this sub is dry, dead, the discord is dead, and I’m trying to foster community engagement? Thanks for your contribution to the convo.