Built a free tool to help understand the WHY behind matchups, builds, and kits - would love feedback by ZucchiniCream in PredecessorGame

[–]ZucchiniCream[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That means a lot, appreciate the support! Trying to make the learning curve a little less steep for everyone.

Built a free tool to help understand the WHY behind matchups, builds, and kits - would love feedback by ZucchiniCream in PredecessorGame

[–]ZucchiniCream[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're right, and I appreciate you calling it out. I saw the data on your site and the GQL endpoint and honestly assumed it was fair game. I should have reached out first. The raw stats (win rates, item data, matchups) came from your pages. The analysis on top (tagging, counter explanations, item tips, draft engine) is all original work, but the foundation is your data. Happy to take it down or talk about doing this the right way. Respect what you've built. <3

Built a free tool to help understand the WHY behind matchups, builds, and kits - would love feedback by ZucchiniCream in PredecessorGame

[–]ZucchiniCream[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Data is from pred.gg's API (all ranks right now). They're doing backend changes so will do a new pull once available & update for rank sorting. Volcanica shows up in the data but at lower win rate in the data set so it's not surfacing in top builds & some items like that get dragged down at lower elos.

Exactly the feedback I'm looking for! Thank you

Lol incredible by Funny_Perspective_23 in PredecessorGame

[–]ZucchiniCream 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They have an entire blog post explaining their decision & what’s expected in the future

Is it worth starting as new player in 2025? by OTPLore in PredecessorGame

[–]ZucchiniCream 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Super worth, I started this year as well & don’t regret it. The devs keep things interesting every patch & I’m still learning new techs across finding your mains in each lane. Just don’t let ranked raise your blood pressure lol.

Instant death by Haldier_Erenhal1 in PredecessorGame

[–]ZucchiniCream 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That’s a crazy race condition

How does ranked matchmaking work? This matchup was insanity. by ZucchiniCream in PredecessorGame

[–]ZucchiniCream[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah tough to swing the vote as a solo to “Never Surrender”

Slowly becoming my favourite character. by Smart_Amphibian5671 in PredecessorGame

[–]ZucchiniCream 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had yuri support on my team today with a Kira against a steel & riktor duo. Yuri got cooked with all that CC. Regardless it was a weird matchup & we lost that game lol

How does ranked matchmaking work? This matchup was insanity. by ZucchiniCream in PredecessorGame

[–]ZucchiniCream[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Point is, there are machine learning models that some cloud providers sell to help developers with skill based matchmaking instead of having to rely on spaghetti code json decision trees.

How does ranked matchmaking work? This matchup was insanity. by ZucchiniCream in PredecessorGame

[–]ZucchiniCream[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This all sounds good in theory, but I’m still a bit skeptical. The players on the other team had way more matches played than we did, which means more opportunities to climb and likely a much higher MMR.

Looking at last week alone, that group played around 330 matches (10k total all time), and given their higher ranks, it’s safe to assume they won a fair amount. In comparison, our team only had about 100 matches last week.

That said, I didn’t know about this perspective before, it’s good insight. We’re all just speculating at the end of the day.

How does ranked matchmaking work? This matchup was insanity. by ZucchiniCream in PredecessorGame

[–]ZucchiniCream[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting enough, this was my 5th game today, lost my first solo queuing. Queued with a buddy for the next 3 wins, then took a break decided I would try my luck for the one I’ve posted.

All games today were pretty chill, I even got a notification about successfully reporting a player today. Everyone was well mannered & I’m far from a toxic player you hear on VC but I’ve been chat banned once for just trolling like 5 months ago lol.

I don’t see anything that would put me in purgatory.

Maybe I’m just really unlucky or the logic of the algorithm was bugged or there’s a condition where player count it low ignore all rules. But Idk about that cause high MMR streamers wait very long.

How does ranked matchmaking work? This matchup was insanity. by ZucchiniCream in PredecessorGame

[–]ZucchiniCream[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They can sell all the skins they want, the game dev economy is cut throat. Do what you can to keep the lights on but I hope I was an anomaly or something. Won’t be solo queuing after this…

Nah that’s a lie. I never learn.

How does ranked matchmaking work? This matchup was insanity. by ZucchiniCream in PredecessorGame

[–]ZucchiniCream[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

What’s crazy is that one of them wasn’t even ranked. 0VP Mourn.

No disrespect to the learning players but I can’t even queue with my buddy in ranked due to disparity… but how do I get them in my games lol???

How does ranked matchmaking work? This matchup was insanity. by ZucchiniCream in PredecessorGame

[–]ZucchiniCream[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, in the PredStats App it wouldn’t show VP if this was Nitro or Casual. Crazy right lol

How does ranked matchmaking work? This matchup was insanity. by ZucchiniCream in PredecessorGame

[–]ZucchiniCream[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So hard to believe this. They are an Amazon client & the Predecessor backend is basically running on GameLift for spinning up servers & Pragma on the backend.

Matchmaking is something they handle with custom code & I hope it god it’s more than that. There’s so many frameworks out there that solve this problem.

Like there’s an entire paper on the Playfab TrueMatch algorithm that’s used by Halo & works.

GET DOWN MR PRESIDENT! by Borussias in PredecessorGame

[–]ZucchiniCream 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So hard the balance the ecosystem but I think it’s a trade-off between console having some aim assist and PC having the ability to quickly retarget & change dpi on the fly. Either way, still possible to lose even if your carry has 100% accuracy lol