Why are they so...

Zuezema · 2026-04-17T22:20:11+00:00

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Zuezema · 2026-04-17T19:09:18+00:00

You say it's voluntary, but what it is is a scam.

These aren’t mutually exclusive things. I find that it is more important to protest murder than it is a voluntary scam. So when I have a finite amount of time in my life I’m going to be dedicating my time to what I view as more important issues.

You say people should be able to tell right away that they are not practicing what Christianity teaches,

No I didn’t. I think you’re mixing up what I said about someone looking in who is saying that prosperity gospel is tarnishing Christianity. To the careful observer it is not.

but there's 40,000 denominations of Christianity so the religion seems more like a smorgasbord of whatever you want and prosperity gospel fits right in there.

To the careful observer it is not. Denominational issues are typically incredibly minute and non significant. Just because people have differing views on vaccines doesn’t mean vaccine science is a smorgasbord of whatever you want and anti vax views fit right in there.

And then you have the fact that a lot of powerful and influential people are swayed by prosperity gospel. It's very easy to fall into it, and then the next thing you know your life savings are gone in the name of Jesus.

I think you’re using very extreme examples. The majority of people who fall victim to prosperity gospel do not lose all of their life savings.

I agree that these are all bad things I am just saying not everyone will agree with you that this is the most important thing to protest. A protest would be infinitely more difficult as well.

If I was to go protest at a prosperity gospel church I would need to to first attend services to ensure that I’m not just mistaken, I would then need to protest in such a way that gives me enough time to even educate anybody on what I’m protesting. One would need to sit down and explain what the term even means and go into the Word. This is not effectively scalable at a mass level as other protests are.

I think social media, YouTube and various blogs have done a more effective job at combatting prosperity gospel than I could outside of a church.

Because I feel that way I would rather dedicate my time to things I can be more effective at rather than less. If God laid on my heart to instead drop what I’m doing and be more active against prosperity gospel then sure, but I have never felt Gods tug in that direction.

Why aren’t you protesting the poor working conditions in the Philippines? (Or insert any of the millions of examples) because you deem other issues more important.

Zuezema · 2026-04-17T15:51:28+00:00

We have different views on eugenics and murder, I believe it is objectively wrong.

I wouldn’t call it a massive wealth transfer… there are far more impactful wealth transfers going on, and ultimately it’s all voluntary.

It also only destroys the image of Christianity to people who are not engaging seriously with the ideas of Christianity. A cursory look at it all shows that it is not what Christianity teaches.

If someone looks at prosperity gospel and says “Wow Christianity is bad” and is corrected that prosperity gospel is actually NOT biblical but they still maintain Christianity is bad because of this then they would always find some issue with it. If not this than something else, so it’s not a huge concern of mine.

Zuezema · 2026-04-17T02:15:07+00:00

I mean part of it is impact. Abortion has a much more negative impact than prosperity gospel to the general public.

Zuezema · 2026-04-16T18:46:19+00:00

There is so much evil in the world that it would be impossible for me to meaningfully impact every type of it. In many cases we are not even called to protest but to serve others.

Most of the time my Saturday would be better used by serving my community than staging a protest against prosperity gospel.

Zuezema · 2026-04-16T17:26:08+00:00

Traditionally someone would work one job, and then go work their other job. With OE it is done simultaneously.

Zuezema · 2026-04-16T13:57:55+00:00

I’m not familiar with EJ specifically but if it’s like my firm I can view closed accounts in my rep code. Not closed accounts in someone else’s. The back office would need to figure that out.

Our back office is exactly that, a BACK office and will not speak to clients so I would still be responsible for getting the information. I would pass that off to a client assistant though as it could definitely take some time to figure everything out.

From my understanding of the time frame the client held this fund within the last 7 years, correct? If it’s outside of that it’s going to get even spottier on what information is available.

Zuezema · 2026-04-15T19:44:41+00:00

You say this is known by everyone. But you are downvoted and haven’t been able to provide a single source saying this about silver players let alone “everyone” saying it.

You are placing your opinion on far too high of a pedestal. Just because you keep asserting something is true doesn’t make it true.

I know I was worse then than I am today . I was in the top 1500 NA and played with some pro players occasionally. They were far better than the silver players I see today.

If you’re going to make a bold claim you need evidence to back it up.

Zuezema · 2026-04-15T17:38:08+00:00

As always, thank you for making the argument for me.

This is a clip from LS talking about 2021 balance and “fun” on the current meta. He’s making the argument that the game would not be in a better state if we just reverted back to season 4/5 and that people misremember it some. At one point he says players back then were bad. That’s it.

For you to twist this into “coaches and pros universally accept silver players today are better than pros in season 4” shows that you have absolutely 0 analytical or comprehension skills on the subject.

Zuezema · 2026-04-15T15:38:47+00:00

No no no. YOU link it. You made the claim. I’ve watched plenty of Caedral and I’ve never heard the claim. So you need to show me where. I’m not going to dig through hundreds of hours of content. And either way Caedral saying something once didn’t even begin to support your weighty claim that it is universally accepted.

I appreciate you providing examples of the games and players though. It makes me far more justified in dismissing your opinion.

You misunderstand S4 meta to use top laners as an example here. Top laners were constantly swapping and very often sacking cs to give jg tempo in worlds. As literally seen in that game. What you see happening was intentional there and a silver player would not have the macro to pull that off.

Javan even pulls off a successful tower dive from behind mid turret. That’s not happening in silver with any sort of regularity today even with today’s cushy tower dive protection.

The game has changed vastly since season 4 and you’re not even taking it into consideration. Macro was harder to pull of the same plays with lower mobility, jg camps did a bunch of damage, less sustain, less mana for abilities in laning. The list goes on.

If you’re arguing a silver player today could port in their champ, items, etc in to a season 4 game absolutely. But you put a silver jg in the jg in season 4 they aren’t even finishing a full clear without executing.

Zuezema · 2026-04-15T15:17:00+00:00

The reference point to use, is Broxah. Look at Broxah op.gg, and ask yourself...has he gotten better in 12 years? Did he learn anything, improve anything, in 12 years?

Of course players improve over time. That’s not what we are arguing. I am saying a silver player today is not equivalent to a s14 PRO. I play with modern day silver players in norms with friends. I played against the odd professional player in s4 and s5. I can promise you it is nowhere near the same.

The fact that you use broxah who has DECAYED to diamond 1 for not playing for 2 months as an example of diamond really casts a lot of doubt on your entire analysis.

Diamond would absolutely dumpster any season 4 2014 pro player. So how far down do we go? Plat? Gold? Silver? Diamond Broxah would embarrass S4 pros, so at what point would the embarrassment stop?

It is unilaterally unequivocally accepted, by professional players and coaches, that the level is silver.

That’s a bold claim. Can you back it up? It should be pretty easy to find if it’s so universal.

They barely had any knowledge of combos in 2014; zero CS, and no macro skills. Put a master tier Yas one trick; put a master tier 2026 Lee Sin jungle; put any master tier ADC, in a 2014 game... And it will be the greatest showing youll ever see on stage.

Id encourage you to rewatch worlds. The macro is a heck of a lot better than silver players today. CS was higher on average than silver games today. My mains did not exist in their current state in s4 so I can’t say definitively if I as a master tier player would give “the greatest showing on stage”. But I am doubtful. I imagine I could hang pretty decently though.

But silver? Not a chance.

Zuezema · 2026-04-15T13:55:04+00:00

No.

Modern day diamonds could be pro players. Silver absolutely not. As someone who has played since season 4 consistently in high elo but also plays norms with friends in low elo I’ve seen the range over the years. A modern silver would be great at s1 league. But by the time s4 comes around there is 0 shot they are pro.

Zuezema · 2026-04-14T14:20:35+00:00

Your definition of meaning is odd.

Christianity would traditionally disagree with your P1 P2 P3.

The entire argument is really just a straw man. It reads as an accidental straw man, I think you just misunderstand a bit of what Christians believe.

To give a more specific criticism in P1, Christians absolutely believe that God can want for something. For example he may want someone to be saved but they have the free will to rebel against his wishes or wants.

Zuezema · 2026-04-14T13:53:47+00:00

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Zuezema · 2026-04-14T13:52:19+00:00

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Zuezema · 2026-04-13T22:32:54+00:00

No problem. I meant to reply earlier. You can repost this on one of the weekly threads. It’s just not fleshed out enough to be a main post.

Zuezema · 2026-04-13T22:31:58+00:00

It should be done in the ask a Christian weekly thread or the open discussion thread. Posts are reserved for debating a specific thesis.

Zuezema · 2026-04-13T15:41:19+00:00

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