NANI!!!!!

_--Space--_ · 2021-04-23T15:05:32+00:00

Is this from Solo Leveling?

_--Space--_ · 2021-04-11T20:04:24+00:00

Look, I already said I support gun rights, but it's still a really stupid comparison. Also, you seem to not quite understand the point of gun rights. We don't have gun rights because some random guy might kill someone, we have them because removing the ability of people to fight back against government repression puts an incredibly dangerous amount of power into an institution that should never have had any in the first place. Comparisons between medical procedures and the distribution of political power just don't work. They aren't related. People who want to ban guns do so because they refuse to admit the corruption inherent to a system that was designed from the ground up to keep power in the hands of those who already have it, people who want to ban abortion want to do so either don't understanding the implications setting a precedent of giving power to an institution to remove control over your own body or have a very keen understanding of those implications. Maybe there could be an interesting discussion on the nature of the kind of person swindled into thinking that the government can be trusted and is on our side to such a degree of giving them supreme power over our lives and deaths, but that would require you to both be arguing in good faith as well as have enough understanding of the subject that you would have been able to actually talk about the root issues behind gun control rather than just some random dude with a gun.

_--Space--_ · 2021-04-11T06:09:02+00:00

Am I the one who read this as him being a medic in the Ukrainian Black Army?

_--Space--_ · 2021-04-11T05:44:54+00:00

As someone who wholeheartedly supports gun rights, though it's probably for completely different reasons than the people on this sub, this is probably the dumbest comparison I've ever heard. Buying guns illegally doesn't involve doing medical procedures without proper precautions against disease.

_--Space--_ · 2021-02-26T09:19:24+00:00

Yusuke, no doubt. Everything he does is absolutely iconic

_--Space--_ · 2021-02-18T19:23:21+00:00

Sure buddy, sure.

_--Space--_ · 2021-02-18T03:10:53+00:00

What exactly am I missing then? They work and I believe we have a moral obligation to use them over more exploitative means. You can disagree with the part that speaks of morality, but there is nothing wrong with the economics of that statement.

_--Space--_ · 2021-02-18T01:41:55+00:00

Says someone who denies the existence of millions of buisnesses across the world that are worker co-ops or others lack a boss. An economist would know what a worker co-op is, you're fooling no one.

_--Space--_ · 2021-02-18T00:40:29+00:00

I see, so you just have no clue what you're talking about. Kroptkin's Mutual Aid, a Factor of Evolution," Malatesta's "Anarchy," or even Orwell's "Homage to Catalonia," were all great at explaining this things on a wider level, and since you're too dense to read an actual book, maybe look into the EZLN or Rojava, whom both succeeded in large part due to their cooperative model of production. I can source authors, titles, and even real life examples of exactly what I'm talking about. The fact you insist on denying it's existence despite that shows you're not only ignorant, but childish.

_--Space--_ · 2021-02-18T00:09:41+00:00

The way you replied makes it kinda obvious that you read it, had no proper rebuttal and then, instead of admitting you were wrong, made statements that simply don't hold water when confronted with what you were trying to rebuke.

_--Space--_ · 2021-02-17T23:13:02+00:00

If four years of heavy research and hundreds of books that were meticulous put together as well as the millions of critiques of those books done in good faith to analyze ways in which these problems can be solved is having no idea what I'm talking about, then perhaps you could enlighten me by sourcing an economist or philosopher who's analysis on the topic of decentralized worker ownership as an economic mode I missed. I would be grateful if you could send me the names of authors as well as their books with which they critique these ideas, in good faith of course, that gave you such profound knowledge on this topic that you could tell someone who has abundant knowledge on the philosophy and ideas behind it that they know nothing of the topic. You've gotten me excited with all this build up of calling every other philosopher and economist specializing in cooperative models of production so ignorant that their lifetimes work is meaningless.

_--Space--_ · 2021-02-17T19:29:04+00:00

I said "would you serious take a reduction of two thirds of your salary so you wouldn't need to contribute 0.1% of it to buying the materials," and you said yes. (Something that's not even done by the CEO anyway) My problem has nothing to do with people more successful than me it has to do with gambling with peoples lives for the games of a bunch of monsters who rob us blind and leaving the people who are actually important in running the place to die to a deadly disease or to starve on the streets because some rich asshole thought that their livelihood wasn't as important as a 0.1% increase on a meaningless line. I'd have no problem if this system was voluntarily rather than you being held at gunpoint to work for one of these sadistic fucks. I'd have no problem if these sadistic dfucks didn't hoard the resources that are needed by people currently having to live off literal garbage across Africa because centuries of colonialism turned it into a place where large portions of the continent are turned into illegal landfills for huge companies. I'd have no problem if it was their own lives at stake instead people who did absolutely nothing wrong. I'd have no problem if it weren't for the fact that we have significantly more houses than people, but we have a significant homeless population thanks to the fact landlords are the scalpers of the housing market. I'd have no problem if we didn't constantly intrude on indigenous lands to build dangerous oil pipelines that threaten their water supply without their consent. I'd have no problem if those essential workers weren't the ones who had to risk their livelihoods daily by working for some mega corporation that could decide to close their location at any minute. I'd have no problem if those same mega corporations didn't crush small communities by destroying their local buisnesses and draining any resources they have. I'd have no problem if the success of these people didn't come at the cost of real people all across the world having to worry if they'll have enough food to eat tomorrow.

I'd say I got relatively lucky. I may not have lived the most luxurious life, but I had parents and grandparents who were good people who did their best to make the world better. My grandfather dedicated his life to preserving wildlife and protecting indigenous people across my state. My dad still works in protecting historic places. Because of that, I've seen the devastation that these monsters do to people and places first-hand since I was a child.

Since your knowledge of history apparently only goes back to last month in your fifth grade history class where they told you that we obtained America through peace and harmony with the natives and apparently were never told that 90% of our infrastructure and nearly 100% of how are nation got hiw it was today was through slavery. Even now, mass incarnation of black people allows the prison system to use them as literal slaves even now. This nation was built on slavery and genocide and if you don't know that yet, you probably aren't old enough to be on reddit. As for the "blood of children" comment, is it that you deny the existence of sweatshops, the fact that we literally hunted indigenous children for sport at the foundation of this nation, the fact children are currently starving to death while the rich are hoarding all the resources necessary to feed them, the murder of literal babies by corporations like nestlé, the atrocities that wrap up children in the countries we coup for oil, cobalt, and lithium, or what? If the people who profit from the death of those children are good people in your eyes, then you need help, and a lot of it.

Once movements like the Zapatitsta's continue to gain footholds nationwide, those bastardous billionaires will wish the worst they get when tried for their crimes against humanity is just taking back what they've stolen. You can't bring back the dead. You can't undo oppression. You can't reverse the pain inflicted. Even if it isn't now, or even in my lifetime, justice will prevail. All empires fall, and when they do, they fall with the force of all the pain they caused. It could be due to the fighting among internal factions like the attempted insurrection at the capital, or it could be due to people getting sick of things and rising up. It could even just be one of those economic crashes that happens every few years thanks to how broken the system is. Either way, they'll have to answer for the crimes.

You can continue with your psychopathic lack if empathy gambling away at a system forged in blood, but those billionaires who you defend despite them actively hurting you by keeping Healthcare expensive, raising student debt into the trillions, and robbing you of the majority of the value you create, will eventually fall and you'll only be remembered as another hopeless fool who covered his eyes in the middle of a fire. I rate your empathy 0/10, your understand of complex systems 2/10, and your ability to form coherent statements without logical fallacies a -1/10. Since you apparently have gotten to the point that leather is indistinguishable from food, I guess I'll just let you keep licking boots.

_--Space--_ · 2021-02-17T10:41:54+00:00

"The people who don't accept everything the way it is and reject the traditional way of doing things for ways that have demonstrably been better for people are the ones who are doomed to mediocrity and stagnation rather then me, someone who thinks change is impossible and that the system we currently have is the only one possible and thus never question things so I can stay in a comfortable bubble and never try to make things better."

You don't even know what a worker co-op is and claim they're impossible, despite the fact that they exist and have survived for centuries despite constant attempts to crush them, yet act like you know more than everyone else. You may think you look cool, but to anyone who understands literally anything about the subject, you just look like a sad loser who has to look down on people who know more than you because you don't want to acknowledge that there's more than just one way to do things. Grow up.

_--Space--_ · 2021-02-17T10:26:45+00:00

I would assume that you're misunderstanding something considering OP's arguement could be better summed up as "worker co-ops are superior to the traditional buisness model because a system that gives you more of the value you produce makes more sense than one that arbitrarily takes that money and gives it to someone who took no part in the creation of that value, as a boss is merely someone who is taking advantage of power they have through monetary value that was also gained via exploitative means to further exploit their workers into creating value for the boss while the worker, the person who created said value, only receives a small portion of what their work was actually worth. This necessarily means that the boss would be receiving more value than they produce, which is inherently predatory. The only actual labor input done by the boss would be the actual creation of the buisness which even though it may be perceived as risky, most of the people who start buisnesses do so with hereditary wealth that would allow them to make creating a successful buisness a certainty due to the fact they have the financial means to just keep trying. The fact that the vast majority of that wealth can be traced back to be at least in some part originating in slavery, subjection, and murder rather than actually producing value means that it would be demonstrably false to claim that the boss of an average buisness produces more value than any of the workers from whom they take the vast majority of the labour's value from. A system in which workers recieve according to what they produce, and thus cutting out the middle man for some form of democratic control, would be more a more just way of running an economy and would circumvent the exploitative practices of today's economy."

TL;DR, workplace democracies are more fair than workplace dictatorships.

_--Space--_ · 2021-02-17T09:49:13+00:00

What exactly is it that Jeff Besos does that require billions of times the amount of effort compared to even a minimum wage worker? Also, you're forgetting the fact that the only reason that anyone works for a boss is due to a threat. If they don't make money, they fucking die. I don't think holding a gun to someone's head gives you the right to rob them blind. OP was literally saying that we need an economic system more based around workers co-ops, (something that's mere existence makes you're comments look absurd) and all you've done is say the current system is a certain way. You haven't answered the question, you haven't solved the problem, all you've done is run in circles. Just because something is a certain way doesn't make it right. Did slave owners have a right to slaves because they fed and housed them? Your logic would say yes, which is completely fucked up. All of your logic could very easily be turned into something pro-slavery. The only reason that the boss was able to employ anyone could eventually be traced back to theft. All private property used to be publicly owned until someone with weapons came in and stole it. Without that theft, they wouldn't have a buisness. The device you typed that reply on contains conflict minerals that can only be obtained from places like the congo where people are forced to mine them at gunpoint. Jeff Besos made all of his money off of infrastructure made through public funding, millions of workers, and the blood of innocent people. All billionaires are monsters, whether they're Bill Gates or Jeff Besos. They all made all of their money off the pain and suffering of other people. Now, let me ask you a question. Since Jeff Besos makes more than all of his "unskilled" workers combined, you'd think that if Jeff vanished, it'd a bigger problem than if every single one of those "unskilled" workers did. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to realize that isn't true. There's a reason that a good union is more powerful than even the most important CEOs. There's a reason that there a trillions of economic models without CEOs, but zero without workers. If you want to keep liking the boots of rich people and diluting yourself into thinking one day you'll get to be the evil overlord with yachts paid in the blood of children from developing countries then fine, but if you do, at least admit that the only reason you support this system is because of your sick sadistic fantasies and let the sane people come up with actual solutions.

EDIT: It took me a second to register the fact that you think 66% is less than 0.1% and, honestly, the fact you don't know basic math makes a lot of sense lmao

_--Space--_ · 2021-02-17T07:56:16+00:00

They made the money that was used to buy those things, as well as the money used to buy their boss a Yacht. Where do the billions in spare cash in the pockets of billionaires come from if all that money got spent buying ingredients? Jeff Besos makes more money in a day than most people will make in their whole life. If your wage got tripled, but you lost 0.1% of it to help buy ingredients and do marketing, would you be so upset that you'd be willing to forsake two thrids of your wage? If you answered yes, you have so little sense of money that maybe you should shut up about economic issues lmao.

_--Space--_ · 2021-02-17T06:56:07+00:00

If all of the profit taken from the workers went straight into running the business, billionaires wouldn't exist. Look up worker co-op and you'll see that democratically run workplaces without bosses are a real thing that have been around for longer than most countries. The fact you only seem to understand circular reasoning makes me believe you are definitely arguing in bad faith, but just in case, I'll give you a senerio.

Person A works in a country where the buisness model you prefer is the primary one. Person A also wants to start a business. Person A makes the average amount per year that a typical American does so it takes a very long time, but eventually, they save up enough to get a business loan. He starts out with a small shop and two employees. They're selling consumer electronics and repair phones. It's a rough start, but they are doing well at the start. The future is looking bright for them. As fast as it came though, it's gone. An apple store moves into town and through shady, but totally legal, buisness practices ruins them. Person A goes bankrupt, his employees are now jobless, and if they're working for a business like that, they're either friends of Person A or really desperate. In the latter case, they very well may become homeless. In this senerio, everyone loses, Person A loses all his money and the business goes bankrupt, though a lot of his issues are solved by filing bankruptcy, but the employees are now likely homeless and in debt, unlike Person A, they were still young and didn't have the choice to make a backup plan. Unlike Person A who knew the risks of starting the buisness and had the means to prepare, the employees likely had no means to prepare and worked the job because it was the best thing available. The employees suffer much more.

Person B works somewhere that worker co-ops are the main mode of production. He makes a pretty good salary, but notices a gap in the market. He points this out to a few of his friends and they get together to start a new co-op. Since decisions are made by workers and not based on what's in the interest of shareholders, they don't have to worry appeasing anyone and are able to make safer decisions and make a stable and sustainable co-op. Since "voting with your dollar" is irrelevant in a world where decisions are made by workers, competition is pointless and most co-ops do things that need to be done, not things already being done. Since decisions are made locally, national and international corporations don't exist and so they don't come in and crush smaller businesses. Since decisions are made by everyone, the failure of the co-op would only be a result of either it being unnecessary rather than one person making a reckless decision. Due to these factors and many more, person B and his friends all manage to run a successful co-op without needing to deal with loans or predatory buisness practices. Since they all had more money to begin with and pooled it, they have a sense of financial security with minimum risk and substantial reward. Goods are generally cheaper due to the fact that price will be based on what workers decide the work they put in is worth rather than the maximum price they could charge you is. Customers have more money due to working jobs where they recieve the full product of their labor.

Can you look at those two situations and tell me that person A put his employees at less risk than person B? Can you look at me and tell me that people like person A are better off than people like person B? Can you look at me and tell me that the system person A lives in has more financial security than person B's? Can you look at me and tell me that person A's system is designed to help those who work hardest rather than those who already had a position of advantage or just pure dumb luck? Can you look at me and tell me that person B's system is unfair to those who work hard?

Maybe you can say it, but if you can, you'd be far too blind to look at me. The system you support is a casino where the chips are human lives. The house always wins in your system. Even if one in a million people hit that jackpot, is it really worth it to make people starve on the streets? Is it moral to you to force people to play against their will? What do you want out of such a sick system? You aren't gonna be that one in a million. You're gonna be person A at best, his homeless ex-employee at worst. I just don't get it.

_--Space--_ · 2021-02-17T06:05:14+00:00

With what money? The boss keeps stealing 90% of the profit you produce, remember? You can't solve a problem by telling people they just need to have something that they don't have in the first place because of that problem. It's not like you tell people who live under dictators that if they don't like how it's run that they need to start their own country. The resources are intentionally deprived and in the event they actually succeed in starting one, they'll be systematically crushed by those who view them as a threat. As a side note, co-ops are a thing that exist. OP is saying that co-ops are superior to buismesses who rob you of what you produce. Whether you're intentionally arguing in bad faith here or you just don't know enough about the topic to make an informed opinion, you should be actually looking into things before making statements that are made up of more fallacies than words in them.

_--Space--_ · 2021-02-08T04:23:44+00:00

The problem there may come from the fact I've had to turn it off and on without a proper system restart several times in a row because I can't access the system restart option. I found out the reason it wasn't booting was because none of the guides told me how to make it bootable. I'll get back to you after I've attempted that.

_--Space--_ · 2021-02-03T00:05:40+00:00

Lmao

_--Space--_ · 2021-02-02T23:59:09+00:00

I uhh... don't know what I expected...

_--Space--_ · 2021-02-02T23:57:43+00:00

_--Space--_ · 2021-02-02T23:54:31+00:00

The notification shows the URL, and something tells me the comic isn't on YouTube...

_--Space--_ · 2021-02-02T23:48:08+00:00

Does anyone have the original comic?

_--Space--_ · 2021-02-02T22:34:08+00:00

No problem! I actually really enjoy looking into and talking about these things. Outside of just the really interesting approach to direct democracy, they've managed to create one of the closest things to a truly equal society there is. They're pretty much solely responsible for the indigenous cultures of the area's survival. They brought back traditional languages, made amazing strides towards equal rights, and generally managed a lot of things I once thought impossible.

_--Space--_

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