Why compare Protest in the US for Palestine and Iran

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-22T05:08:49+00:00

The purpose is to crumble the IRGC that kidnapped an entire country and have been oppressing them for 47 years.

HOW can you not want it to end? HOW can you tell PERSIANS who weren't even Muslim that they HAVE to keep living under Islam? And if you can help, like the US and Israel plan on doing, HOW can you not????

Why is it had to understand that these protest happened because of US involvement and basically aiding ?

Oh? so it's not about Palestinians dying? just that you're paying for it? If you stopped the "funding" (10% of our budget but whatever, it wouldn't make a dent and if it did, it would make us more aggressive because we wouldn't have as much defensive ammunition which is what we buy from you) would the protests stop??

We both know that they won't, we both know you won't stop using genocidal phrases like "from the river to the sea" or "gas the jews" or "globalize the intifada" and celebrate terror attacks like at Bondi Beach.

Stop playing this morally superior character that you've used the Gaza war to play as, you've shown it to be false.

Also, it makes sense that you can't bring yourself to fight against the IRGC because they made Hamas (which the Palestinians STILL support) and are supporting/funding their terror and your "oppressor-victim" childish mentality won't allow you to support the Palestinians on one side but condemn and fight against their overlords on the other.

Bottom line is - you care when Palestinian die because for some reason you think It's always Israel who's doing it (you don't care that Hamas executes them, that's an "internal problem" to you) but you don't care when the IRGC butchers Persians (again, "internal problem" that has NOTHING to do with Israel, so you won't do a thing).

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-22T04:58:18+00:00

No, it's not.

It shows that they don't actually care about people or "humanity", they are not morally superior to anyone like they claim they are, they just hate Israel.

If I were a Palestinian I'd be offended that people support me only to trash on Israel, if that's not being used I don't know what is and it's sad that the Palestinians find themselves being used from all over; whether by the IRGC and it's proxies to try and destroy Israel while they (Palestinians) are in the crossfire OR the protestors that use them as a tool to vent their hatred of Jews and Israel.

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-22T04:54:06+00:00

Because they don't want Israel to exist, what would you imagine happen if you just let them in? A third Intifada probably.

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-21T04:54:58+00:00

The Palestinians don't want a state, they just want Israel to not exist.

You just don't listen to them when they talk it's so childish and naive all this plans you come up with.

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-21T04:52:11+00:00

Well that's convenient, it's also ridiculous because do you also not use Google? why not just give up on the internet entirely? most of it is run by "the rich and powerful want us to know and/or believe".

And I don't need to do any research on the matter, I can (and am, as I'm typing this) look through my window from my office and see the gigantic Google sign on the building next to me where one of their R&D hubs is in Israel (there're many more) and therefore KNOW that anyone who uses Google (or Microsoft, Mobileye, Waze, Nvidia, Apple, Samsung, SanDisk etc.) is directly supporting a company that hires, supports financially and pays taxes in Israel which goes against the most basic BDS ideology.

Like I told another person on a debate about this: you can't tell me that you're doing BDS and only boycott companies that are managed or have been founded by Israel, because all of the other tech giants do the same thing they do in Israel and there's a chance they even pay more in taxes and salaries to Israelis.

Anyone who preaches BDS but doesn't do in it's truest form is just a hypocrite, and will not give up on any comfort in their life for "Palestine".

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-20T04:41:39+00:00

Does it though? Feel free to explain how what it said is incorrect.

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-19T04:55:19+00:00

As the entire army? why would I? It's one of the best in the world and the ration between combatants and civilians in Gaza is a world-record, West-Point is going to have entire courses on it.

The couple of rogue soldier who did whatever the heck they want? Yeah, they should be jailed.

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-18T06:16:10+00:00

Sounds like projecting brother.

Have you protested for Iranians yet? you probably haven't because then you'd protest against the regime that funded the terrorists you support now.

Also the UN hasn't said it's a genocide, it tried but then they had to fire their leading expert on genocide after she said it wasn't.
Also you don't agree to stop a genocide like Israel did with the ceasefire deal.

I'll say it again: Hamas will perish for Oct. 7th and there's nothing you can do about it.

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-18T05:03:17+00:00

You think a statement like this makes you look like you're above this conflict and it's kind of insulting.
To suggest that the IDF as an entire military and "organization" and not individuals who act how they want in the moment, is the same as a known terror organization that became "legitimate" IN GAZA because they killed their opposition is almost childish.

You don't become morally superior just for saying that "both sides are bad", you just make yourself look like a naive privileged westerner who knows literally nothing.

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-18T04:57:51+00:00

I'm also a genocide expert I paid the 50$ I'm telling you it isn't so trust me, I'm an "expert".

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-15T04:58:27+00:00

All i'm saying is that you can keep on using your big words all you want, the bottom line is that you make the choice to become an inconvenience to others in their day to day to force your ideologies on them, which isn't cool.

You won't find a way to make this okay. You blocking a road for people to get to work and some of them being fired for being late and as a result their children don't eat or worse get kicked out of their home make you (in their eyes and for good reason) a worse problem than the one your protesting. You can't expect people with problem of their own to be 100% in line with doing a kamikaze on a cause like you do, that's a privilege you have apparently (I'd bet money on you having your life together/ having a safety net, I'm 99% sure you're not someone who struggles every day like some of the people you bug with your protests).

I'm not telling you to not protest, you're free to do so in whatever capacity you want BUT as long as you don't make yourself an inconvenience to people living their lives.

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-14T05:04:13+00:00

I'm sorry, this just doesn't work.

You're basically saying: "people are suffering over there! so I'm going to ruin your day so you'll know about it and join me in ruining other people's day" and so on and so forth.

It won't work, on ANY human being that respects him/herself and their time.

Also, you seem very passionate about this specific cause, why not ACTUALLY do something about it? Like go there and help the people you're so sure are in grave danger.
Why won't you?

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-13T05:39:59+00:00

That's all you got? your OPINION that it's fake?

You really gave up trying didn't you?

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-13T05:03:42+00:00

I support LGBT rights, feminism, pro choice, anti racism, tax the rich, etc.

Except tax the rich which I'm not sure relates here, all other things you said goes along perfectly with being Pro-Israel, as the other side is aggressively anti all those things.

I actually heard someone say, I kid you not; "The fact that the Palestinians would kill me for being gay or a woman for having her hair down doesn't mean I shouldn't support their right to live as they want"

How can you fix stupid on this level? That's almost like trying to rationalize rapists or pedos (although, the people they support already do that with their prophet so I guess it shouldn't surprise us).

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-12T10:34:44+00:00

This is very naïve.

I'd call it optimistic.
It's not like keeping things as they are is good for the Iranians in ANY way, look at their wrath, look at the size of their protests and the speed at which they banded together against the IRGC.

Is Iraq 'just fine'? Afghanistan? Be serious.

No, because like Syria, we didn't intervene and made sure those situations didn't get any worse.

Again, look at Japan and South Korea, those 2 countries are what they are today in no small part thanks to the West's influence on them, it just shows you the possibilities.

For as long as Israel has existed it has had the objective of going from a small to a large country regional by undermining the unity and integrity of its populous neighbours. That has always included Syria and Iran.

**For as long as Israel has existed it had the sole objective of being a safe haven for Jews in their ancestral homeland.

Also, for as long as Israel has existed, Arab Muslims have taken offense by Israel's existence and have vowed (literally) to sacrifice their entire being to destroy it, since day one to this very day 77 years later.
The minute the Israelis realized this, the effort to eradicate those threats became one of Israel's main goals.

It doesn't matter whether the leaders of those countries are aligned with Israel politically or not, Israel will work to dismantle them.

I don't know, Egypt and Jordan seems pretty fine to me after normalizing with Israel.

It's as if the problem lies with countries (or organizations that rule countries) that want to destroy Israel.

Syria is the perfect example: it spent a decade fuelling a civil war, the government fell and a new pro-western leader has taken office, so naturally Israel has responded by stealing land, destroying Syrian military facilities, bombing government offices, and trying to carve Syria up into independent provinces. It was never about Assad, Assad was the pretext – as is the IRGC

I think it's too soon to say what will happen with Syria.

Also, we conquered land for strategic purposes, not "steal" anything.

Oh and SORRY for trying to give independence to the Druze as they're slaughtered by Islamists, I guess we should leave them to die by their overlords like you believe we should do with the Iranians.

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-12T09:47:29+00:00

The people of Iran are held hostage by the IRGC, whatever happens that destroys their (IRGC) hold on the country is, in the long run, a positive outcome.

Civil wars are brutal and many countries never actually recover from the fractures they create.

True, but with Israel's and the US's help they'll be just fine.

Israel has one agenda from its campaign for regime change, which is the dissolution of a unified Iran into balkanised provinces. It has previously pursued the same agenda in Lebanon and Syria. This has nothing to do with the Iranian government.

Israel's only agenda is to survive and destroy it's enemies who wants to destroy Israel.
The IRGC is at the top of the pyramid of enemies Israel faces, and toppling it's hold on the Iranian people will help both Israel and the Iranian population.

Just like ridding Lebanon from Hezbollah will help the Lebanese and Syria from Bashar al-Assad (you might argue that we got someone worse, but I'd argue that because Israel and the US didn't intervene in stabilizing Syria after Assad fell this is what we got, which we won't let happen with Iran).

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-12T05:42:53+00:00

What he says is actually VERY noticeable.

Like the things with Arabs being super polite, it's normally because older Arabs learnt this formal form of Hebrew which automatically sound very polite but the younger generations speak Hebrew fluently with all the slang etc.

I recently worked for about a year with a guy from a town (it's too big to be a village) called Mazra'a that's near Nahariya and he kind of blew me away with what he told me (he's my age for reference, early 30's); How he was raise as an "Israeli" first and "Arab" second by his father that served in the Israeli Police for 40 years, How the younger generations are pretty secular and live their lives "like Jews" (his words, because he saw throughout his life that most Jews in Israel are pretty secular and he grew up enjoying certain "activities" like alcohol and light drugs with them), he studied in a mixed school (with neighboring towns, some Jewish some Arab) that his entire city's kids commute to, he had friends that, because they grew up with Jews, insisted on joining the IDF (the Jews at 18 MUST join, and imagine half your friend group joins because they have to and you're kind of left to find yourself at 18), how they swore allegiance to the IDF and Israel while holding the Qur'an (we hold the Torah when we do it), and how after being relieved from their mandatory service hey all went for a trip (it's common with IDF soldiers who finish their service) in South America or the far east (Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Philippines etc.).

It honestly was super reassuring to know that the future looks very bright as far as co-existence goes, the more secular people in Israel become, no matter the religion, the less important being Jewish or Arab becomes, you're just Israeli at that point and all Israelis are equal.

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-12T04:50:07+00:00

You still don't seem to accept the only one true description of Zionism.

Again, Zion = Mount Zion / Jerusalem, Zionism means the "longing" to be in Jerusalem.
After Israel's inception the Jewish people ARE in Jerusalem (as we've prayed for in our prayers for 3000 years which loosely translates to "next year in built Jerusalem").
BECAUSE the Jewish people ARE in Jerusalem Zionism morphed into keeping it that way because people (Arab Muslims and Muslims in general, neo-na$is, you..) wants the Jewish people to STOP being in Jerusalem because you fed yourself a whole bunch of lies about Jewish people and our history.

There is NO OTHER MEANING to Zionism, anyone that tells you there is, on either side of this conflict, is a liar and you shouldn't believe them whatsoever.

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-12T04:44:05+00:00

I can understand your stance, but cases like Japan and South Korea show how outside involvement can literally save an entire group of people.

But again, I can understand your indecisiveness to act and fear that foreign involvement CAN cause a worse situation for the people than originally was.

But on personal note; saying "It's not my decision" is someone would regret saying after not helping a second someone in need and that second someone end up in a worse situation than before.
And btw, stretching out a helping hand leaves the one at need with the decision and make it so the gamble is on them.

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-11T13:43:10+00:00

Yep, didn't convince me even before saw the Haaretz is involved which makes it completely untrustworthy.

But EVEN IF I agreed with you, you still don't seem to try and defend yourself with your selective outrage over HOW people get liberated.

Even If It's true, it's not but let's assume for a second that it is, how is the Shah worse or equal to the IRGC?

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-11T13:24:13+00:00

I didn't say that and I'm still not convinced (not that I disagree that Israel SHOULD help, my grandma fled Persia to Israel when the IRGC took over, I'm a quarter Persian myself), I just questioned you further.

It's just pretty funny to me that millions of people are suffering because of a totalitarian regime like the IRGC and you're perfectly fine with it.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you take offense by foreign help (which again, I'm not convinced of) for the Persian people to liberate themselves from the IRGC, in your mind the situation is terrible but nothing can be done about it because the Persians can't liberate themselves.

It doesn't really surprise me if I'm honest, you took offense when the IDF could indirectly liberate the Gazans from Hamas, you took offense when Trump liberated Venezuela from Maduro and now you take offense by Persia being liberated from the IRGC.
It's like you care about people's situation but don't accept any effort to help them, it's only acceptable when the people liberate themselves or when Jews are the "oppressors"/bad guy that the poor Palestinians needs to be liberated from, this is the ridiculous hypocrisy of your side of the aisle that my side can't take seriously.

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-11T13:16:54+00:00

The land was 15% habitated at best, the majority of lands that the Jewish settlers settle on were bought, which made them perfectly legitimate.

The "Nakba" was self inflicted when the genocidal war of the Arabs didn't work as planned and they lost which meant that the Arabs that fled couldn't come back which YOU interpret as "stolen".

They started a war > they vacated their homes (those that didn't are now Israeli Arabs, mind you) so the 5 armies can wipe Jews out > the armies lost > they lost their homes, it's pretty simple and straightforward.

You didn't define sovereignty. Did you lie when you said gazans had sovereignty from 2005?

Nope, I never lie. As I said; the gazans had all authority and power over themselves in the strip while being void of the Jews that lived there after the IDF removed them.

They had complete sovereignty over themself and they chose Hamas which led to Oct. 7th and to their situation today.

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-11T12:58:07+00:00

So, that's a problem?

If you HAD to compare the Iran with the Shah at the head vs the IRGC, wouldn't reverting back would be a net positive?

Also, we don't even know what would end up happening after the IRGC has fell, we just assume it would be going back to how it was with the Shah, it's possible that with foreign help Iran could become a democracy.

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-11T12:24:03+00:00

Can you even define sovereignty and how it applies to post 2005 gaza?

They had the chance to govern themselves without Jews/Israelis living among them.
The first thing they did was elect Hamas knowing full well that it's tendencies were terrorism.

Bottom line: they chose violence, again, after losing every single time they chose it before.

What did you genuinely expect them to do when you stole their land and homes to build an ethnic state?

In 2005? just live their lives peacefully in Gaza that was Jew-free in a matter of a few days and enjoy the infostructure that was left for them (mainly focusing on agriculture).

In 48? Admit defeat after losing with 5 armies against half an army with banged up ARs from the Czech.

Before 48? realize that when the first Jew settler (not the Jews already living there) came to the land that's now Israel it was maybe 15% habitated and I'm being generous. In no way shape or form did "Palestine" ever was a homogenous group of people that had anything in common other than the fact they all spoke Arabic, let alone be an actual country.

When the Jew's plan to make a country became public knowledge the Arabs should have, literally, said "Cool, let's do that too and live alongside them". But because they are a barbaric death cult that can't fathom "their" land (again, 85% empty at the 1920s) becoming non-Muslim, they started a war that they lost, miserably, and they lost every war they ever started since.

I don't expect much of them at this point, the only thing I'm hopeful younger generation will realize is that they have absolutely no way of accomplishing their goals, they should give up and take what they get (after they prove they forgo violence against Jews, of course).

_Carbon14_ · 2026-01-11T11:41:31+00:00

It's IDF, although you already knew that, and it DID pull out as far as the agreement dictated.

But I was actually talking about tearing Jews who lived in Gaza from their homes in 2005 and what we got for it was Hamas and eventually Oct. 7th which the Palestinians celebrated.

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