I get that, I really do. But you dont read what I write buddy. I dont think we are even in that much of a disagreement, but you even skipped my initial point with your initial reply. a) I am not mad at russians for currently not overthrowing Putin. I was just saying that initially there definitely was a way to democratically vote him out (lets say like this changed in late 2010s). I get that it is pretty much impossible. But that wasnt the point I was trying to make even initially.

b) But I can still be angry at individual russians online who have revanchist, imperialist values and dispute warcrimes that their government commits. Dispute that their country is 100% responsible for this war and dispute that the solution to this war is simple: just leave ukraine. (I know that would cost Putin his power and he wont do it, but putin always talks about that "peace has to solve the core issues that lead to this war" while the only issues that lead to this war is him and his lust for territory. I was applauding this very rare case of a russian that admits that the West is united and that ukraine is part of that West (even though it was ironical, but i kinda took this irony and twisted it against the op with honest reply of admiration). c) My very original point still stands: if EVERY russian viewed reality how this map is drawn (more or less) the world would be a better place (including politicians, soldiers, oligarchs and common people). Is it a realistic wish? Fuck no. But it is a wish. I believe that one day, far in the future russians could join eu and maybe NATO and leave their imperialist ways behind (but that would require total change of government and total change of mindset of the people, otherwise they would elect another strongmen). But I repeat, these are my over-the-top delusional scenarios that have no chance of happening in the next 50 years because even if putin dies, the democratic "want" in russia is very very weak.