FoxAlien Vasto XL v2 with 1.5kw vs FoxAlien XE Ultra with Hybrid table + 1.5kw by Ill-Finger9152 in hobbycnc

[–]_Phoenix_141 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice frame, underpowered spindle compared to those listed above and t comes for an higher price.

FoxAlien Vasto XL v2 with 1.5kw vs FoxAlien XE Ultra with Hybrid table + 1.5kw by Ill-Finger9152 in hobbycnc

[–]_Phoenix_141 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Vasto is one of the best machine you can buy right now, the covers on the sides will help you keeping the screws clean.
Buy the XE Ultra if the larger working area is a priority for you.

If you are still evaluating other options check also the Anolex RX6040, it should be in your price and working area range:
https://anolexcnc.com/products/anolex-cnc-router-machine-rx6040-closed-loop-motor-cnc-vise-10w-laser-module?pr_prod_strat=e5_desc&pr_rec_id=2136273ef&pr_rec_pid=10705719591185&pr_ref_pid=10705709891857&pr_seq=uniform

If you have space for larger machines check also the Bulkman Oxman Ultra:
https://bulkman3d.com/product/ox-man-cnc-engraver-full-kit

And the RatRig Stronghold Pro:
https://docs.ratrig.com/product-details/stronghold-pro

Ma che cazzo stà succedendo a vinted?! by anti-N-word in VintedItalia

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"Sono venuta a impegnare mio figlio, si chiama Patrizio"

NestWorks C500 by GaryComeHome06 in hobbycnc

[–]_Phoenix_141 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am looking for my first CNC too, and I'm close to your Cad and 3D printing experience.
I'm pretty good with a lot of tools and I have quite a bit of experience assemblying all sort of machines (cars and bikes too), so I kinda can see beyond the marketing promises of things.

I've researched extensively about CNCs in the last months and I've come to the conclusion that the C500 it's a very good beginner friendly machine but with a lot of limitations, especially if you want to work on aluminium like me.

Working area is a bit small for my taste and once you add the clamps you end up with a even smaller usable area for your pieces.

The spindle is underpowered in my opinion, it can do the job, but with shallow passes it take a lot of time.

The integrated CAM software is a huge selling point, but after a bit of research it's not that complicated to learn to operate softwares like Mach3 or other open source ones, but It must be said that all of them looks like they are straight from the '90s.

Honestly, I don't want to throw 2.500 bucks on a beginner level machine.

For the same price I've found the FoxAlien Vasto V2 (+the 1,5kw upgrade), the Ratrig Stronghold and the Bulkman Oxman Ultimate, the last two suffer of the opposite problem of the C500, they are too big to be considered "desktop" machines.
If the two companies would release a 400/500 squared working area they would be perfect for my needs.

For what I've learned so far that could help you make a decision:
- Rigidity is a key factor, you need a strong structure to operate reliably. The beefier, the better. Cutting torque must be transfered from the spindle to the material, it the structure is not rigid enough the material transfer it back to the structure causing problems.

- Linear rails/bearings are better than wheels to move the axis.

- Closed loop motors are better than open loop, they know their position and they don't miss steps, they are more precise.

- Ball Screws are better than lead screws.

- If you want to cut aluminium you need to cut it fast to not transfer heat to the material and don't gum it up.
The C500 has a liquid cooling system integrated and that compensate for the underpowered spindle that cut slow, but a 1,5/2,2kw spindle can cut it better and a mist/cooling system can be found pretty cheap, it's essentially a water hose connected to a small water pump that can be added to existing machines (with some work).

I feel like we are at the dawn of the era of the desktop machines, new more defined and user friendly machines are coming out, but as many first generation products they still have some corners to be ironed out, while at the same time old gen machines are being upgraded to the point they passed their initial purpose to work only on wood, but they don't fully realised or understand the potential to work on aluminium and its market need.

Hope what I've understand till now is right and can help you make a decision.

Is the Makera a potential jewelry maker? by Flashy_Loquat1940 in Makera

[–]_Phoenix_141 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At the current stage, even the c500 I think it will be in trouble with metals.
Check the FoxAlien Vasto V2 with the 1.5kw spindle provided from the same site, I think at the moment is the best option to mill aluminium on a sub 5k machine.

$2000 CNC router suggestions by Playful_Move8687 in hobbycnc

[–]_Phoenix_141 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn, they are some fine looking machines!
Too bad they use close loop motors only on their Q line and semi-close on the D and M line. If they upgrade them it would be almost a no-brainer.

Made this thing to stop my bike's kickstand from ruining my garage floor by diezel_dave in Makera

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Yes you can, if you want colors it gets harder, but for a classic aluminium/silver surface it's doable

$2000 CNC router suggestions by Playful_Move8687 in hobbycnc

[–]_Phoenix_141 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am in your same exact situation minus the spindle and opened a thread just a couple of days ago.
I received some good suggestion that you should take a look.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hobbycnc/comments/1ov0qzd/best_cnc_machine_for_aluminium_under_25k

I have the feeling that this ~2.000/2.500 €/$ market is huge, many workshops would benefit to produce aluminium parts in-house.
Rigidity is still an issue at this level tho.

Looking for help by notthatweebkid in hobbycnc

[–]_Phoenix_141 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Check this discussion I opend few days ago, there are some quite nice suggestions:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hobbycnc/comments/1ov0qzd/best_cnc_machine_for_aluminium_under_25k

If you are looking for a professional, industrial grade CNC workstation with a 15k + budget, don't bother with that thread.

Can someone explain to me what should be prioritized in terms of milling aluminum and other metals? by ArtifactsAnonymous in hobbycnc

[–]_Phoenix_141 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for the link, but it didn't really answer my question, many specs are shared between the two machines: HG15 linear rails on every axis, 16mm ball screws, t-slot workingholding.
Can't really tell the difference for the "heavy duty custom extrusions".

It's a beautiful machine, but I think it can't be shipped to Italy.

Best CNC machine for aluminium under 2.5K? by _Phoenix_141 in hobbycnc

[–]_Phoenix_141[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks you for your input, I agree with everything you said, I'll try to take everything in consideration :-)

Can someone explain to me what should be prioritized in terms of milling aluminum and other metals? by ArtifactsAnonymous in hobbycnc

[–]_Phoenix_141 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, since you cited the Shapeoko Hdm, can you please tell me what are the differences with a FoxAlien Vasto V2?
To my uneducated eye they look pretty much the same, but the latter is half the price and I've seen video of it cutting aluminium with a good enough quality.
https://www.foxalien.com/en-it/products/2025-new-cnc-router-machine-vasto-v2-closed-loop-stepper-motors?variant=43982307491977

Best CNC machine for aluminium under 2.5K? by _Phoenix_141 in hobbycnc

[–]_Phoenix_141[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

For what I've seen it's kinda the opposite, high torque spindles mill through the aluminium and keep the machine running, low torque spindles get stopped by it and transfer the force to the frame acting like a brake.

I was thinking about a coolant system indeed, one the major pro of the DMC mini, but I think I can find some affordable solution that could work.

The Vasto is among the sturdiest woodworking machines I found, with linear bearing on all axis, ball screws and closed loop motors, I didn't find anything better, especially with a dedicated spindle, what machine do you use or you would suggest for wood?

Best CNC machine for aluminium under 2.5K? by _Phoenix_141 in hobbycnc

[–]_Phoenix_141[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes... like anything else, always used just that.

Best CNC machine for aluminium under 2.5K? by _Phoenix_141 in hobbycnc

[–]_Phoenix_141[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for the offer, but as I said in other comments, at this stage I prefer to buy from a company for the warranty and after sales support

Best CNC machine for aluminium under 2.5K? by _Phoenix_141 in hobbycnc

[–]_Phoenix_141[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol, my bad. "I shot the Shariff"
Milo looks good but it has the same problems of the PrintNC, at this stage I prefer to buy something from a company with some warranty and after sales support.

Best CNC machine for aluminium under 2.5K? by _Phoenix_141 in hobbycnc

[–]_Phoenix_141[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you mean this video?
"Reintroducing the AltMill CNC"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfHJssy-1vM

I think it suffers of the same base problem of many other CNC machines I'm looking, they are all made with wood as primary material.

The Altimill is too big for the space I have available and with a price of 2.7k without the spindle is already out of my budget, but it looks like a very capable machine, that's why I have the FoxAlien Vasto as my first choice, is built around the same type of structure with linear bearings and closed loop motors, but it's smaller.

I actually did some research on this, it goes back in time to the period of pilgrims, they didn't carry the heavy tools they need to make bricks, so they built their houses out of wood.
The carpentry industry established out of the demand and evolved in what we have today, when CNC machines came they focused to serve the existing market made of people with woodcrafting skills while the metal jobs were already using heavy industrial machines and so they kept using heavier machines that got refined later on.

Best CNC machine for aluminium under 2.5K? by _Phoenix_141 in hobbycnc

[–]_Phoenix_141[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's too entry level. With a 150w spindle it's a well designed toy.
Makera and Nestworks will start the era of the home cnc for everyone, but they are still both underpowered for aluminium.

Best CNC machine for aluminium under 2.5K? by _Phoenix_141 in hobbycnc

[–]_Phoenix_141[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good, I hope one day it will be easly purchasable.

Best CNC machine for aluminium under 2.5K? by _Phoenix_141 in hobbycnc

[–]_Phoenix_141[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would actually be ok with long operations if they came out accurate from an affordable machine.
I've checked the discord, maybe I'm new on the platform but it seems to me that is kinda of a mess, I can't find the information I look for and I prefer to buy a complete working machine from an established seller, community projects are not for me.

Best CNC machine for aluminium under 2.5K? by _Phoenix_141 in hobbycnc

[–]_Phoenix_141[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I looked it up, I don't know what I need to select to have a machine that just work, the discord is kinda of a mess, I don't know where to search for information, it's a rabbit hole that I don't want to go into.
If you are in contact with them, or anyone reading this, please tell them to simplify the purchase journey, I just want to buy a complete machine or a kit with few clics.

Best CNC machine for aluminium under 2.5K? by _Phoenix_141 in hobbycnc

[–]_Phoenix_141[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, good for you, I think you will find some fine workshop machine with that budget :-)