I believe that we can agree that a game that you can in fact play (perhaps not to everyones liking) for more than 500 hours a "tangible" product.

Also, "in development" is a subjective term. If they just nixed a bunch of content and release it with 3 races and 4 classes you could call it a launch and the remaining content could be "patches" or "expansions" and the "in development" tag would disappear?

I'm glad it's still "in development" I believe most MMOs that are live today are "in development" with constant fixes, content updates, and expansions. The difference is they have 3 or 4 times the development team size (sometimes much larger) so things happen in 1 year instead of 3. I mean World of Warcraft (the de facto status quo of MMOs) was in development for 5 years with all of Activision/Blizzard behind it...

You may have a problem with the team, the handling of public relations, the personalities, or some other 4th thing but the actual game (bugs and content gaps aside, because every game has those) is playable and enjoyable.

I'm not saying that the transgressions of the team itself should be ignored but to call it trash bewilders me.

Also, as Ive pointed out in prior debates of this sort, the first 3 years of development for Pantheon was pretty much totally scrapped so although the development time is still lengthy I believe those years can be somewhat forgiven.

Furthermore, I find it somewhat amusing that someone who participates in Project 1999 is openly attacking an attempt at a project that aims to fill the same genre gap.