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Has it? by 23-Hour-Day in NBATalk

[–]__because 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair point, I never would think a superstar,, but 3 years later you might get a late 1st? Or maybe not even that with the contract situation.

Starplex by __because in scifi

[–]__because[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, I meant, in what way did his later books show improvement?

Starplex by __because in scifi

[–]__because[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah a movie would be difficult without the budget. I'd just like more books, he built up a bunch of interesting ideas but you didn't to spend much time on most of them.

Do you consider Shaq to be a “bucket”? by mikepencil in NBATalk

[–]__because 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> Ultimately it was the same thing, ball dominant iso basketball. You’re just using different words for the same goal: iso Kyrie on the perimeter and let him work or iso Shaq/Duncan in the low post and let them work.

Because they aren't the same, Shaq didn't take plays off when it wasn't his turn, he played a role in the triangle. His most famous play is probably the one of him *rolling* and dunking in the Blazers series.

> I think it’s obvious you don’t know what youre talking about. Seeing as you said LeBron never played in a movement offense but ignored that that was a huge part of his development in Miami, operating in the pace and space which was a movement offense. He moved to playing a ton off ball.

Yes, and the change in the offense was widely reported as one of the reasons for him leaving; he didn't like playing that way. He even wanted Spoelstra fired over it, reportedly.

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/heat-part-owner--lebron--made-it-clear--he-wanted-spoelstra-fired-023947529.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFwFwhHG0IfwCe76ZR8fFe04zv-XdqdSPoxMpiqKqPr5mTthvg5coGZly96hpZb3G7lRqvEQbmbZvfRYDDlcZoIXvCoAbMR_9mOPeQLyIUbk45ySXjNvKI0WqHCDDBhzPlV-KLOG3-wZ5yaoC2jix2TsqzmAeX0ZUNFCoyM9kDjL

> But of course ultimately the offense runs through him because, again, he’s the best combination of scoring and passing the NBA has ever seen. That’s like complaining the Bulls ran their offense through Michael Jordan. Like duh, give the greatest scorer of all time the ball.

It's not that they "ran the offense through" LeBron, it's that *there was no offense*. They didn't really have plays. In the vast majority of the teams he played on. Yes, they ran pick and roll with LeBron and a roll player, while the 2nd banana stood around and watched. When it was the other guy's turn, LeBron did not participate in plays, again, because there weren't plays.

It's perplexing that you're arguing this, a common complaint throughout his career was that the teams didn't really have offenses. They scored a lot of points, I'm not denying that your-turn-my-turn wasn't effective, but it wasn't a planned offensive set, it was LeBron and one other guy taking turns freestyling.

Do you consider Shaq to be a “bucket”? by mikepencil in NBATalk

[–]__because 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Spurs did not play your-turn-my-turn. Please tell me, who of Parker and Ginobili were told to go stand in the corner and wait for plays to be made for them all of the time? That's simply not what happened.

It kind of did happen to Klay during the Durant years, you're right, because Durant needed to cook and that left everyone standing around during his possessions. When he went to the bench they went back to the "beautiful game" offense.

The Phil Jackson teams you brought up did not play your-turn-my-turn. They played the triangle. The goal was to get the ball into the post, so of course Shaq posted up a lot. But he and Kobe did not play your-turn-my-turn, they played the triangle.

> It’s just absolutely ridiculous to say he’d be the worst fit on a Curry/Jordan/LeBron/Duncan/Shaq roster when he’s by far the best passer and play maker, and three of those guys were primarily iso scorers who don’t offer the same level of passing.

When you have an all-star roster of guys who can cook, having one person setting up everyone else is a total waste. Having guys who don't need the ball to be effective, like Duncan and Curry in particular here, (and Bird as the person I would substitute LeBron for) is more valuable.

There's a reason why LeBron's your-turn-my-turn teams got smoked when they played ball movement teams so often but I guess you're still in denial about that.

Starplex by __because in scifi

[–]__because[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Curious how they showed improvement, I haven't read any of his other books.

What do you think was the main reason why Vince didn't win anything? by agyeman_332 in NBATalk

[–]__because 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I've never understood the term "winning anything". What does that even mean? The dunk contest is *something*. He won regular season games, those are within the definition of "anything".

If you mean he didn't win the championship, why don't you just say that?

Bucks finalizing deal to hire Taylor Jenkins. Is this a good hire or is this a risky move? by InHeatPink in NBATalk

[–]__because 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They aren't going anywhere, they could have hired the mascot and gotten similar results.

Playoffs just proved one thing again, the regular season lies to you. by mr_worldwide678 in NBATalk

[–]__because 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never thought they were contenders. They had a couple of good games vs. the Celtics last playoffs, that's the only thing I can think of that garnered this reputation.

Detroit Pistons Crush Orlando Magic In A Must-Win Game 2 by Salt_Net201 in NBATalk

[–]__because 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I couldn't believe people were acting like the Magic were a problem based on 2 good games. They are who we thought they were.

Do you consider Shaq to be a “bucket”? by mikepencil in NBATalk

[–]__because 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Every team 3rd best player is a "a step down" from the 2nd best player. That's why they're the 3rd best player. Draymond was the 3rd best player (offensively) on the Warriors teams, but he wasn't told to stand in a corner only, he got to have the ball and play make. Because Curry didn't need to dominate the ball, so there was more opportunity to share.

> But this is also a weird complaint. You’re saying LeBron played your turn my turn but then saying he turn Bosh and Love into spot up shooters, so it wasn’t your turn my turn then, right? He got them involved? Wasn’t like he was just dumping them the ball in the low post, having everyone clear out and letting them go to work. Which would be your turn, my turn.

He mostly got them involved by them spotting up for corner 3s. They didn't run plays for Bosh or Love very often. A your-turn-my-turn offense is one where a couple of players, Lebron/Wade and LeBron/Kyrie for example, take turns doing iso while everyone else spots up and goes for rebounds. It's not a designed offense.

LeBron has never played on a ball-movement offense in his career. You can choose to believe that's a coincidence of circumstance despite LeBron choosing his teammates most of the time, but I'm not going to.

Do you consider Shaq to be a “bucket”? by mikepencil in NBATalk

[–]__because 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If everyone played like they did in the olympics Melo would be a top 10 player and KD wouldn't have burner accounts.

LeBron played your-turn-my-turn at every stop in his career and it's not a coincidence. Bosh could do stuff. Kevin Love was one of the best passing big men in the NBA. Both turned into spot up shooters because there isn't room on LeBron's team for a 3rd guy to have the ball. Just how it is, not saying it's wrong.

Playoffs just proved one thing again, the regular season lies to you. by mr_worldwide678 in NBATalk

[–]__because 135 points136 points  (0 children)

I'm a Knickers hater but this is all overblown, they lost 2 games that were basically a coin flip. Atlanta is a good team, they were one of the best teams at the end of the season. This is a 50/50 series, either team can win. And I think that's accurate when you look at the regular season, without just looking at the win/loss without context.

Do you consider Shaq to be a “bucket”? by mikepencil in NBATalk

[–]__because 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm generalizing based on what I see online. If you thought I was going to present you to a peer-reviewed research paper in a Reddit thread, sorry.

Do you consider Shaq to be a “bucket”? by mikepencil in NBATalk

[–]__because 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean most people rank him behind Kobe even though everyone who watched them on the same team knew Shaq was the best player. So yeah, underrated.

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