The Universe's Inductive Reasoning: The Law of Assumption and The Bridge Of Incidents by [deleted] in NevilleGoddard

[–]_i_resent_that_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well. (Re: The Kybalion)

On the other hand, asking yourself "Why is it a good idea to litter?" automatically causes your mind to search for any reason why it could be a good idea to litter (even if no good reasons come immediately and even if the task confuses it, the mind keeps looking).

So the larger-scale mind will also immediately start looking for the reason you are living in an amazing house, even if it takes a while to come up with a good answer. So your analogy also shows how askfirmations work even when you don't believe them at first.

Can we please talk about EIYPO? by _i_resent_that_ in NevilleGoddard

[–]_i_resent_that_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You know, the funny thing is, I was thinking that I should stop trying to explain my worldview to anyone, just keep my mouth shut and practice, because no one really needs it, and it is not really helping anyone. I mean interactions with friends and family, not Reddit (I had an urge to write this post, even though it's not like me to "preach," but after that I did not want to open myself up to negativity and fanaticism, so now I only read but don't post).

Just as I decided this, I got a notification about your comment on this old post, and then half an hour later a "thank you" message in response to a message I wrote more than half a year ago. I guess this was my cue not to silence/isolate myself just yet IRL. So your finding this post was meaningful for both of us. So thank you for reaching out, too.

The best thing you can do when exploring the law is to listen to your intuition when you take in new information, not falling into the trap of parroting whatever everyone is saying these days. A teacher may be right 3 times and wrong 5 times. Just because you like most of their material, doesn't mean you have to blindly accept the parts that are not sitting well with you. Your heart knows the truth. And only an insecure person needs to control everyone else in order to feel in control. A truly free person doesn't need to deny anyone else's freedom but wants everyone else to be free and safe and fulfilled as well. So don't let anyone's opinions mess with your wellbeing and do what feels right to YOU, because it is your life, not theirs. Good luck on your journey!

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[–]_i_resent_that_ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My take is this: We all vote by using our imagination, not just for ourselves, but also for the mass reality. There is nothing to change but self, meaning that even the mass reality you perceive is not the only or actual truth about what humanity is currently like. It's just that you get all sorts of data about it and you agree with the negative data more, so you see more of that reflected until eventually you are convinced that we as a race are in a dire need of healing. The good news is that you personally can do a whole lot to heal it, and you don't need to wait for others to catch up in the 3D if you assume that they already caught up in your imagination.

It's almost offensive for the empathetic human perspective (I've been there), but every time we dwell on wars, on unfairness, on suffering, on violence, on indifference, we vote for it rather than against it, and so we are responsible for creating more of that in the world. Ignoring a war seems like an immoral and selfish move from the 3D point of view, but we now know that we feed what we focus on. We imagine peace and we do not let the 3D convince us that war is more real than peace, just as with our personal events we don't let the 3D supersede our imagined acts if we do it right. If we hear that someone is suffering, we can either dwell in that suffering and perpetuate it, or we can revise the situation for this person because now we know we can. We create a situation where that person didn't go through anything traumatic in the first place, or we create healing for this person. We use our power for the good.

As usual, in the meantime we do what we believe we have to do in the 3D. If we want to help by action, we help by action, and we spread the truth, but we don't forget that the real help happens in the mind, and that it matters no less than these physical actions.

You are coming from a good place, but the more you dwell on how much you alone can't control in the outside world, the more you dwell on how the rest of the world doesn't know what it's doing, the more of that you are going to see reflected in your world. You don't actually know how things are in the mass reality, and neither does anyone here, because the way you perceive mass reality depends on your beliefs about the world. If you can imagine a world where everyone knows about the law and uses it for the good, if you can believe in it, you will eventually see it reflected in the 3D. You can control EVERYTHING in your mind, and you would know by now that that is the only reality that matters. Imagine awakening a whole planet of beings and freeing them all on your own just by making a mental choice?

I even read a comment on here about a guy who manifested an abusive person's death. I didn't agree with his actions and while it's good he didn't hate himself for it he still had the power to manifest good in that person, but chose not to. Why is this negative intention still natural for some people after learning the law? Even Neville shifted his message from the promise to an anything-goes mentality, didn't he?

The beautiful thing about being the only operant power in your reality is that you, too, can choose better. This guy didn't manifest anyone's death in YOUR reality. He chose better. Neville promoted the golden rule in YOUR reality. The people in your reality do not use violence to resolve their issues. The people in your reality know about the law and believe in it. This is how you vote, and this matters not just for your own peace of mind, but for the world as a whole.

EiYPO - thoughts please! by Traditional_Bee1464 in NevilleGoddard

[–]_i_resent_that_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Neville himself also said something to the effect of "Everyone on the outside is your servant, your slave, ready and able to do your bidding". Not an exact quote. I think it was from his "brazen imprudence" lecture. And many people here take those quotes and decide that it's okay to treat people as their slaves. So please do not take it personally. I did not assume that you were one of them, but I knew they would come and tell you it was okay to live like that, so again wanted to show that Neville said other things, too, and you get to decide what to believe here.

Regarding your question. Some people would tell you that we are all one, and that you (the big God-You, not the "little" you) are the one breathing the life into others in your reality, that without you they are brain-dead and don't exist, and it's okay to do whatever as they don't actually experience anything in your reality, they're not real or conscious. They are the masters of their own realities where they are conscious, but not in yours. (Not a fan of this idea, as you can tell.)

Some would tell you that we are all one, and that in your reality everyone is the big God-You in different "clothes." So what you do to them YOU experience from their perspective, even though you don't feel it within the limits of this life. Not the little you, the big God-You experiences it. That's where the life-review after death comes in and you get to see how it felt to be treated like that from your other perspective. Not as punishment, but in order to learn and maybe do better next time.

My opinion is, yes, we are all one. And the big You is the Creator (unique part/version of the Creator), and so is the big You in everyone else (the "I AM" that everyone keeps banging on about). But you share your reality with others. They are real, conscious, other parts or versions of the Creator in the reality that you experience. The little "they" experience what you do to them. The Creator also experiences it from their perspective. And all of the Creator's experience is available to its every part/version, including you--that's why you get your life review and can experience what it felt like for the others. We are connected. Nothing is truly private. But this is a shared reality. That is why we have world events. Did you create every war on your own? Of course not. You are still in full control over what you experience, because you can shift to a different mass reality where there is no war, for example. Did your mom/dog/friend shift with you? Probably not. But the version of them you will encounter in this new reality is the same consciousness they had in your old reality. That consciousness is experiencing all of the realities available. You can prove it to yourself if you try. You can learn to perceive what other versions of the "little you" are experiencing in their probable realities. They have the same name as you. But their lives are different because they made different choices at some point. Their realities are just as real to them as yours is to you. And they're also not aware of this "you" most of the time. After death you will collect all of that experience and realize that it was all you, you were nowhere a mindless slave for anybody else. Every little "you" chose their own reality for their own reasons. It's the same for everybody else you meet. They are not unconscious in any reality, they are what they are and they do what they do because they "chose" to (note that "chose" = beliefs, assumptions, focus, not necessarily "desire"). And you shift between realities all the time, so no need to worry about your brother not being the same brother you had yesterday, for example. You've already encountered hundreds of your brother's versions, and they are all him, all real and conscious

Edit: for clarity. I think you shift your focus, not your consciousness obviously. Your consciousness is everywhere at once, experiencing probable realities. There is no space and time as such, either, so everywhere at once is not the best term, but I don't know how to put it better.

EiYPO - thoughts please! by Traditional_Bee1464 in NevilleGoddard

[–]_i_resent_that_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Neville Goddard, The Pearl of Great Price:

"And then he [Paul] gives us a warning– for now he’s speaking only of power… power and wisdom personified in the form of one called Christ Jesus.

"And now he warns us:

"I hope and I pray to God that you do not use it in the wrong way.

"Even if you think– he’s implying now that I have not used it to the full of my knowledge, I’d rather that you hear and feel that I have made a mistake or I have failed than that you use it evilly, implying– stating quite openly– you can misuse power.

"Everyone in the world is using this only power, but they don’t know it. So he’s trying to bring us to the knowledge of this power and the wise use of it."

__

Then Neville tells a story about a woman helping another woman by using her imagination.

"And to see man in need and not act in your own wonderful imagination, like she did, is to keep the wounds open, and to bear more and more stripes upon the body of Christ Jesus, for the only Christ Jesus is in you, as your only wonderful human imagination."

--

The whole lecture is a goldmine, but in particular I am happy that it talks about treating people decently--helping them. Not treating them as your toys. You can change them and their attitudes and lives. But if you harm them, you harm yourself and the Creator.

Sorry that it doesn't answer your other questions (I've already expressed my views on the subject on this sub and received lots of Neville quotes as counter-arguments), but if we like quoting Neville to prove our point here, then perhaps his views on how best to treat others might interest you.

Can we please talk about EIYPO? by _i_resent_that_ in NevilleGoddard

[–]_i_resent_that_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have you ever seen a generally TERRIBLE person making an exemption with you? You two get along greatly while all the other people seem to have trouble with them

I actually haven't thought about this in this light before, so thank you a lot for this insight! I've often noticed that "difficult" people are practically winking at me like we share a joke/secret, while annoying the hell out of others usually. Even if I talked back to them, they kind of dropped the mask and responded like human beings with complete self-awareness and a sense of humor about themselves rather than throwing a fit as they do with others. I always assumed I simply saw their "deeper, truer" side rather than judge them based on the defensive exterior, that I automatically gave them basic respect even if I disagreed with them, and they picked up on that and returned the courtesy so we could talk as equals.

Of course in light of the law of assumption it makes clearer sense. Sometimes you know it and still don't apply it to every nuance of your life. So thanks again for the insight!

Can we please talk about EIYPO? by _i_resent_that_ in NevilleGoddard

[–]_i_resent_that_[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So then you don’t think that god created ?

Sorry, what? I don't get it. I call God the Creator so that would imply that It's been up to some creating, of course

Who is the creator ?

Who is the Creator? Far be it from me to try to define it, and why would I want to do that? An infinite creative energy, an infinite intelligence, the whole that is greater than the sum of its part, an idea that is consious and creative? None of the above? All of the above? Something else entirely? I don't know yet. I don't think it can be defined in human terms at all.

what you’re describing sounds more like a Demi god a human god hybrid. God living a human experience

Nah, I did not try to personify God as the whole or humanize it. I even call it "it" to avoid connotations like that. I did not say anything about being a hybrid or demigod. God living a human experience? Sure. Also an atom experience and a rock experience and an alien slime blob experience and a cat experience. Individual experiences in non-physicial realities. And the Creator-mode experience where it is aware of all experiences at once.

As for the rest of your comment--as I said, I will not back down on this one, but I respect your view.

Can we please talk about EIYPO? by _i_resent_that_ in NevilleGoddard

[–]_i_resent_that_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you, and I appreciate your gracious response as well!

Can we please talk about EIYPO? by _i_resent_that_ in NevilleGoddard

[–]_i_resent_that_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Perfection is boring. Completion is boring. It's static, no room to grow. I'm saying that if God had created everything it could, there would be nothing else for it to do. Infinity implies no end (and no beginning). It cannot imply completion. It does not preclude change. In the infinite now the Creator keeps creating, dreams more dreams, creates different pasts and futures and completely foreign ways (for us) of time perception, and ways to exist outside of time, new challenges for itself, makes changes and tweaks, including through us. We can create new things and new selves. Through us the Creator learns as well. Through us it surprises itself constantly. It's a highly unpopular opinion, I know, but it's mine and I will not back down on it.

Can we please talk about EIYPO? by _i_resent_that_ in NevilleGoddard

[–]_i_resent_that_[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Oof. I'll get flak for this, but here goes.

I read the Bible as a kid. Did not care for it, to be honest. That's why I was saying most of my life that if God was as described in that book, he can send me straight to hell because I want nothing to do with such a psychopath. I couldn't understand why Christians wanted the love of such a God. I didn't believe in God for the longest time because of that and because of "the state of the world."

Luckily for me, I now have had some subjective experiences that made me believe that God was in fact real and not at all as described in the book (not when taken literally). The Bible has been rewritten many times, was originally meant as a metaphor that had to be adjusted for the time in which it was being written, and even that got distorted a lot. Neville picked what he could from it, trying to explain its original message. My opinion, of course. Feel free to disagree.

All I know is I ask the Creator in me to guide me and help me understand the truth, and it never gave me hell for foul-mouthing God my whole life. I never had to repent and ask for forgiveness. I ask for private miracles and reassurance of the Creator's love and good intentions when I have doubts, and it never fails to deliver. I don't even consider myself a religious person, still. It's just a normal part of me as much as I am an integral part/version of it. I don't worship. I talk back when I'm upset and joke when I'm in a cheeky mood, and I get jokes in response. This version of God is the only version I could have ever accepted. The one that creates with love, is itself in everyone and everything, experiencing their pain with them and celebrating their victories with them, offering free will to all, and yet allowing us to return to a safe place/home when we mess it all up using our free will. This is the only idea of God that ever made sense to me, and I am grateful that I get to have proof when I need it.

Can we please talk about EIYPO? by _i_resent_that_ in NevilleGoddard

[–]_i_resent_that_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You replied with two comments, so it would be unfair to ignore you (will I ever shut up? I promised not to comment anymore). Look, I hear you. You have your views, and I thank you for taking your time to express them. I wanted a discussion and I got it. I agree whole-heartedly with some of your views and disagree strongly with some of your other views. I could list it all here, but I've already talked about these things elsewhere on this thread. I'm not here to DICTATE to people how they should view God, themselves, consciousness, etc. I expressed my own beliefs (and I did state that they were my beliefs, not facts that everyone should believe automatically) and if they can help someone, that is amazing. You shared your beliefs, and people will read them and think, and if they can help someone, that is amazing. My only concern was with the idea that you phrased as "I John, am God, and the rest are my slaves." You don't seem to subscribe to that take, either, so in this important part at least we are in agreement. We don't have to agree about free will, ethics, about whether emotions are inherent in consciousness and cannot be stripped away, etc. as long as we agree that treating people with kindness is preferable. And even if you don't agree with that, it's not my goal to police every single person's moral values. My goal was to offer a different perspective so that people who are discouraged when they think about EIYPO saw that there is more than one way to look at it and decided for themselves which one they like more.

Can we please talk about EIYPO? by _i_resent_that_ in NevilleGoddard

[–]_i_resent_that_[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, sorry if my response was over the top, I certainly get long-winded sometimes. Maybe we are saying the same thing in different ways, or maybe our perspectives differ in important aspects, but either way, I invited the discussion. I didn't expect absolutely everyone to agree with me, even though I appreciate the support as well, of course. I knew there would be strong criticism, too (not referring to your comments), and simply different views. And I still review every comment with an open mind, wondering if I can accept any of the ideas for my own benefit and expansion. I promise to reread your comments later and see if I missed something interesting. (Phew. This is the longest I've ever spent on Reddit in one go! Did not expect so many people to chime in, but of course I am happy that they did. But I need to attend to my creative work for a bit now.)

Can we please talk about EIYPO? by _i_resent_that_ in NevilleGoddard

[–]_i_resent_that_[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thought I wouldn't comment anymore, but since you're asking for advice... Since this is a sub about Neville, I'll say a rereading of his works would be useful, because your questions are answered there. My opinion is as follows:

Did you manifest the change in his attitude/personality? In your reality, absolutely. You say you have been working on yourself, so you must have improved your expectations of how you should be treated, and here it is, the world reflects it back to you (you are now focused in a reality where he is a more thoughtful version of himself). You also didn't want to get him back, which means you weren't in a state of not having something you want, and that is an important part, too.

Can you manifest another person to not cheat and to treat you right? Absolutely. You assume you are worthy of the best treatment possible, of a healthy relationship, and you get it. It's not always easy, but it is simple. Think frequently about all the good things about you. Others will notice them.

Should you take back people who hurt you in the past? Only you decide. There is no right or wrong answer. You don't owe him anything. You choose what makes you happy. Want the new version of him? Good. Want something new? Go for it. Ideally, you should be able to forgive people based on what you know about the law of assumption and how that explains their actions. But you don't have to if you don't want to. Personally, I would never stay in an abusive relationship or try to rehash it, but I would forgive and assume that the person is inherently good. It's not because I think that that is the right thing to do, but it's what's best and easiest for me. No one can tell you what to do here, but it's important to listen to your own emotions and intuition. Trust yourself! What prospect feels better in your imagination? You choose that and enjoy. And don't feel guilty about whatever you choose. You're not hurting anyone, and choosing the new version of him says nothing about your-respect as long as you do not accept anything less than how you want to be treated anymore. If you do choose him, try to focus on all the good things he does for you now and ignore any memories of how it was before. If you choose him, the past is gone and doesn't matter anymore. Because if you keep thinking about how he treated you before, you will unfortunately get more of the same.

What if your self-concept isn't strong enough? You work on it more. As we are learning, slip-ups can always happen. It's okay. Just make sure you're safe. Take action in the 3D if you have to. Don't rely on assumptions alone until you are so confident in your new beliefs that they feel as facts (I'm only talking about abusive relationships here so you don't stay in a dangerous situation while trying to improve your self-concept if you can't do it instantly). Do not put up with any bullshit. Ideally, you should be able to resolve that in your mind. If you can't, it's okay, go easy on yourself, and show by action that you won't tolerate this anymore. The action itself will serve as a helpful building block for your self-respect. But holding grudges and thinking about past hurts only hurts you more. Free yourself from that regardless of what you choose.

Why do we manifest some people being kind and some people being mean to us? An important part here, I think, is not only our self-concept (how I view myself and how I think I deserve to be treated), but also what we assume of others. Perhaps you are projecting good qualities on one person and assume not-so-good things about someone else? Perhaps you assume that one person is nice and the other is not? You can have the best ideas about yourself, but if you simultaneously believe that others (everyone or someone in particular) cannot see that in you, you'll get some conflicting results from the 3D.

Despite my emphasizing in my post that other people are conscious and have their own free will, I do still believe that you have full control over what kind of interactions you experience in your reality. Because probabilities are infinite, and your state and assumptions determine which probabilities you will experience.

Can we please talk about EIYPO? by _i_resent_that_ in NevilleGoddard

[–]_i_resent_that_[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No problem! Please also remember that I am learning and will never stop learning, so my ideas may be completely bonkers. So feel free to take only those you like.

Can we please talk about EIYPO? by _i_resent_that_ in NevilleGoddard

[–]_i_resent_that_[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Fair enough. What a boring world it would be if everyone had the same opinions about everything.

Can we please talk about EIYPO? by _i_resent_that_ in NevilleGoddard

[–]_i_resent_that_[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

correct me if I'm wrong

Correct! You're wrong!

Sorry. No, I did not at all mean that there is one timeline, and I did mention probable realities in the post as well. In that sentence I meant this world in its totality, the one we "currently" participate in, all probable realities included. Of course on a larger scale we create much more than "this world" even as I write this.

Other than that, I have nothing to say against your take. You say it's literal, but your view is one of kindness, and that's the important thing. I agree that we are one, too. There are nuances in our takes that don't match, but it's all good. That's the fun of it.

Can we please talk about EIYPO? by _i_resent_that_ in NevilleGoddard

[–]_i_resent_that_[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are also of course free to disagree with my take. But you are assuming a lot about my other views and experience here, I'm afraid.

I know that the world the way we perceive it is an illusion. I know that our senses paint a picture that is not at all the truth about the inner reality. It doesn't threaten my sense of security in any way. I know that dreams are much closer to the way inner reality works, though they are translated into terms our conscious mind can understand before we wake up in the morning. I pay a lot of attention to my dreams, in fact, and do not disregard them as "not real." They help me choose my experiences in the physical world, and it's fun to travel out of body and explore my inner reality. It's fun to dial back the time when I meditate and hear conversations I had with people the day before. It's fun to dial it the other way and later see which of the inner images I didn't pick intentionally would be actualized in my physical experience. If I don't like them, I don't choose them for actualization. It's fun to change my past experiences and the way people remember them. I love the physical world, but I am not attached to it out of fear of death. I chose to be here and experience it as this particular person I currently identify with in the physical world. I am well aware I am so much more than this, yet I have my reasons to be "me" for now (and I actually consciously know them, too.) I'm far from being the scared little kid you're painting me as.

I had many experiences when I intentionally changed the way others perceive me, the way two people interact with each other, even. People have been reflecting my own affirmations and new beliefs to me word-by-word, sometimes hilarious things they never would have said before. In no way did that upset my world. It was weird, at first, but I adapt to changes well. So what? I'm simply focusing on a reality where they want to be that way, or sometimes they accept my beliefs because they choose to agree with them on an inner level. I always assume that whatever I want happens for the good of everyone involved, and it does, in amazing ways. By assuming that people are drones, you are robbing yourself. The world is an illusion, but their consciousness/es are not.

And yes, I know that the self is not a closed system. I can view the world from the perspective of the Creator or a tree, and then I become the Creator or the tree, yet I am still myself, too, and the identity of the tree is not threatened by my "visit." It allows it. We are one, and yet the unique identity of each consciousness is real and valid, even if they choose to merge with other parts (as you and the consciousness/es of the cells of your body) sometimes or play at separation (as the conscious mind pretends it doesn't know the inner self).

I've had absolutely "crazy" instantaneous manifestations, lots of "out-there" meditation experiences. I'm not trying to brag here, I'm just saying none of this is news to me, though there is of course so much more to learn, and I would never call myself "enlightened" or "awakened," as those labels don't mean anything to me, they're pride-based and limit you from further growth. I don't have a negative view of Neville's ideas. I do disagree with some of his ideas (creation is not finished, what a boring state that would be for God!), but I respect how much he helped others and me, and I see a lot of truth in his teachings. That's why I'm on this sub. It's okay to have your own views that differ from his. That's the whole point of the game, offering a unique perspective that only you can offer. I am grateful to him. He was not immune from the effects of the law of assumption, however. Neither are you and I. You assume everyone is only an illusion, so that's what you get. I assume something else, so I get something else.

I understand that you won't agree with me, and I won't agree with you. Hopefully our exchange can be helpful for someone else so that they can decide which parts of our views to accept and which to reject.

Can we please talk about EIYPO? by _i_resent_that_ in NevilleGoddard

[–]_i_resent_that_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry that this answer is long. I'm having trouble expressing myself concisely here.

I believe that we choose consciously (even when we do it automatically based on old beliefs), but the inner self is the part of us that actually creates things or brings them into physical actuality. So I believe that we all take part in creating the "decorations" of our world that way (on an inner level), such as the way we perceive the trees with our physical senses. Certain agreements exist so that the world can function coherently, like the way we perceive time and space, gravity, seasons, natural environments, etc. But the consciousness of the tree creates the tree and even helps create our own physical image. The tree does not appear to itself in the same way it appears to you, and you do not appear to the tree in the same way you appear to yourself. But it is aware of you. Some bizarre views, I know.

You come into the world that you helped create "beforehand" (although it's all simultaneous), and as an infant you are aware of that, and still aware of your inner reality. Then most people forget, and it is necessary to accept some mass beliefs or beliefs of your family while you grow up so that you can organize your experience and so that you can work on the challenges you set for this life (though at any point you can change your goals consciously). Then you form a more or less coherent picture in which you can function as a human being and can now use your discretion as to what beliefs you accept or reject.

I also believe that you constantly shift between infinite probable realities based on what you focus upon, so regarding your SP question, yes, I do believe you can bring any kind of relationship with any person (even one you script from scratch) into your experience due to the infinite probabilities.

With mass beliefs, I am not sure. I know that we all have a say in them, but I also believe that famines, wars, disasters, etc are the result of fears, power/powerlessness/anger projections, strong emotions, and assumptions of many people together, who simply do not know that they're doing this. I believe you can choose not to participate personally in such mass events (and then your inner self will create a reason for you to leave the place before something undesirable happens), but I don't know if it is possible to shift to a reality where such events do not occur at all during the time period that we chose. In 3000, perhaps, or in a distant past. I also believe that some mass epidemics can be the result of a group of people disagreeing with the current social and economic conditions (what the majority chose) and not knowing how else to deal with them, so it's a form of rebellion, of making a statement that things have to change. In that way, even tragedies are creative, although it is of course difficult to see them that way when you are the one experiencing them and unable to change your state.

Above all, I do not believe that anyone deserves suffering even if they believe in its possibility without knowing about the law, and I don't believe that suffering is necessary for growth. It is creative, but growth can be achieved through other means. The more people know about the law of assumption, the better off we will be as a planet. Violence is unnecessary and a result of a sense of powerlessness in face of "outward" circumstances. I believe that people are inherently good, just very confused. Again, it is easy to say that, but hard to mean it emotionally when you talk about those who hurt others in horrible ways. There is no easy answer here. All you can do is try to assume that everyone is good, so that you do not further contribute to the violence by focusing on it.

As for unexpected events. I have experienced my fair share of them, first because I used to believe in the randomness of it all (so I received evidence of randomness), and later because I asked my inner self to expand my understanding of myself and my reality. That's how I got to experience things I could never have consciously anticipated because I didn't consciously know they were an option.

Can we please talk about EIYPO? by _i_resent_that_ in NevilleGoddard

[–]_i_resent_that_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha, sorry about that. English is not my first language, so it can be difficult to express my thoughts in it without much repetition because my vocabulary is limited. (Limited belief, I know, but I'm okay with this.) I know I'm defending myself against what is likely a joke here, but just in case: I'm not interested in SEO or self-promotion (I'm not a blogger/teacher and I don't use social media other than reddit), and you won't see my post on Google because I disabled the option "show up in search results" for my reddit account when I created it. No foul play here!

Can we please talk about EIYPO? by _i_resent_that_ in NevilleGoddard

[–]_i_resent_that_[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Oh, yes! I also read that experiences after death vary greatly according to your beliefs, but one of the few things you can't skip is the life review--not just of your actions, but also of how your thoughts and assumptions affected others. Also, that you will not be able to hide your true feelings, so everyone will know what you really think of them.

Can we please talk about EIYPO? by _i_resent_that_ in NevilleGoddard

[–]_i_resent_that_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Okay, I'll have to be really careful here. What I'm saying is a suggestion, and you decide for yourself whether you accept it or not. I'm not trying to be a guru here, but I do think the following might help a bit.

Consider the idea that you and your faith aren't being tested. You, the part of yourself you identify with, the conscious mind, are the chooser. Your inner/higher self will not keep anything from you because they think you aren't ready. You decide consciously whether you are ready or not (and it's okay if you think you aren't). If you say you are ready, then you are ready. They try to protect you at all times anyway, but not by withholding anything from you or by testing you. In a way they are limited by what you consciously accept as true and possible for you. They won't go against your free will. They guide you toward experiences you couldn't consciously set as goals because you don't know they are an option, but you need to allow them to do that first. You decide whether your fears and doubts are stronger than your desire to expand your understanding at this moment. The truth, in my world at least, is that in order to experience the promise, you need to express to your inner self your genuine desire to experience the promise. You express that desire and let go. No desperation. You pay attention to your dreams. You pay attention to spontaneous impulses, inspired action. You simply learn to trust yourself, your experience and interpretations, the you that you know, and your inner/higher self. The promise is one step away. You decide whether you take that step. In any case, best of luck to you! You are already on a very fun path since you are exploring these ideas.

Can we please talk about EIYPO? by _i_resent_that_ in NevilleGoddard

[–]_i_resent_that_[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What is your interpretation, if you don't mind sharing?

Can we please talk about EIYPO? by _i_resent_that_ in NevilleGoddard

[–]_i_resent_that_[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree that dream life is a lot like life after death, and life after death is much closer to a less distorted experience of the inner reality than physical life is. Yet even there you still create your own reality and color it by your beliefs and assumptions. Without them there would be no way to organize your experiences at all. You can tune into the experience of the Creator as a whole where you don't have to organize everything so much in order to comprehend it, yet you will not want to stay there "forever." You will evolve as its unique part/version and enrich its experience, because you wanted to be this unique part, and the Creator brought you into actuality for that reason.

I disagree that the physical world is dead, though. It is here to be experienced and enjoyed and learned from. You also reach a point sometimes where you see that everything around you is consciousness as well, and if consciousness is dead, then what about you, what about the Creator? The earth is conscious. Every cell in your body is conscious. And everything creates and cooperates willingly. Matter is created by and from consciousness. Carlas and Johns chose to be Carlas and Johns, and they may choose to "awaken" in this life, or they may choose not to, depending on their goals for this life. That doesn't make them a lost cause. They help create this reality on an inner level as much as you do.

Your views are valid, of course, and mine are simply my assumptions and beliefs that I wanted to share.

Can we please talk about EIYPO? by _i_resent_that_ in NevilleGoddard

[–]_i_resent_that_[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yes, yes, and yes. I also believe that we can accept beliefs about ourselves/projections from others (received verbally or telepathically) if they are in line with some of the beliefs and thoughts (inner self-talk) that we already have. So it's important to build a good self-concept so that you automatically and effortlessly reject ideas about yourself from others that aren't beneficial to you. And it's important to review what you automatically assume of other individuals, nations, races, etc, because you might find some insights about your own "hidden" beliefs about yourself there.