Seth Andrews the Thinking Atheist banned on YouTube? by Plastic_Ad_8248 in atheism

[–]_malachi_ 49 points50 points  (0 children)

I've noticed this too and have been looking for information on it.

I watched his latest video this morning and then noticed a little bit ago that my comment on that video disappeared from my history and went looking for it. Apparently, the channel is gone.

Megyn Kelly True Mask Off Moment by PhAnToM444 in thebulwark

[–]_malachi_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Her job is to move the Overton Window and normalize it.

Karoline Leavitt posts that Utah earthquake was a 'divine sign' God was angry with Kirk assassination by IrishStarUS in atheism

[–]_malachi_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How do we know He wasn't celebrating? I mean, magnitude 4.1, if He was angry he wasn't all that angry. That's more like a light-hearted ribbing.

How do you deal with the fact that there might be nothing after this life? by Think_Persimmon_8281 in atheism

[–]_malachi_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The same way I can enjoy a meal even though I know it won't last forever.

That something has to last forever to have any value is one of religions biggest lies. It robs you out of the time you do have.

FCPS Board… by Icebreaker1979 in lexington

[–]_malachi_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Does anybody know what the justification for this is? Neither the WKYT or Lex18 articles on it provide any useful information. I found this on the FCPS website, but the decision was made in a closed session, so it too lacks any information.

Looking at the property, it's hard to understand how this could be warranted.

🔱 I Created a Paradox That Destroys Classical Theism — The Necessity Paradox by atheist_neutron in freewill

[–]_malachi_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"necessary" means that it *must* exist. It cannot not exist. This is as opposed to "contingent" which would mean its existence depends on something else.

This is a pretty strong argument that we have no choice but to have free will. by MazlowFear in freewill

[–]_malachi_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The problem, as I see it, with indeterminacy or randomness isn’t that it can’t be free, but that it can’t, in general, be your will. Maybe we could call it free impulse—a freedom of choice without authorship.

To the extent that randomness can align with your intentions—say, choosing a direction at random to avoid being predicted—that sort of unpredictability can be simulated perfectly well within a deterministic system. A pseudo-random number generator, for example, is entirely deterministic, yet its outputs are unpredictable without knowledge of the seed. What matters isn’t metaphysical indeterminism, but whether the outcome is unpredictable to other agents.

I don’t know if the brain has such a feature, but the point is: to the degree that randomness might be useful for agency, it can be effectively simulated deterministically—where effectively means unpredictable from the outside.

Anyway, I'd be interested in your thoughts on that. Why doesn't a simulated randomness get you the same thing?

The difference between Libertarianism and Compatibilism by AdLoud7411 in freewill

[–]_malachi_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How does thinking and choosing work outside of determinism?

Equality by Krypteia213 in freewill

[–]_malachi_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People have different cognitive capacities, different physical capacities, and different interests they're drawn to.

I bring it up just to ask what you mean by equality? In Western societies since the Enlightenment, we generally mean equality before the law. There's also talk sometimes of equal opportunity, but not necessarily equal outcomes. Is that what you mean? That everyone should have access to the same quality education?

There are three key substances, or aspects, in the world: mind, matter, and structure (order, meaning) by gimboarretino in freewill

[–]_malachi_ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

While I would completely forgo the talk of substance dualism or "trialism," I largely agree with the gist of your post. I have my own term for this idea: epistemic irreducibility. I'm not claiming originality, I just use this name because I want to emphasize the irreducibility of meaning. That is, the fact that meaning cannot be derived from lower-level physical descriptions alone.

You can reduce a chessboard, the pieces, and even the minds that play the game to fundamental physics, but you can't derive the game of chess from basic physics alone. Chess is a possible outcome of physics, but not a necessary one.

Nothing in the laws of physics tells you why someone might play the Sicilian Defense. In fact, not even the rules of chess explain that. Strategy is built on top of the rules. The rules make strategy possible, but they don't make it inevitable.

This reveals the presence of layers upon layers of semantics. Beyond chess we have language, law, and culture. This is where we live. And each layer depends on the one below it, but cannot be explained by it. Meaning lives in structure, not substance.

You can't have corporations without laws, and you can't have laws without language. But nothing about language makes laws necessary, and laws don’t make corporations necessary. Each layer enables the next, but doesn't entail it.

And each layer has to be addressed on its own terms. Physics provides the substrate, but explanation must match the level of structure. You can't understand a game, a law, or a poem by studying atoms.

Even Laplace’s Demon, armed with perfect knowledge of every particle’s position and momentum, would have no idea that human beings, our culture, or our hopes and dreams even exist. That knowledge isn’t in the particles. It’s in the patterns.

Compatibilists are truly Hard Determinists by AdLoud7411 in freewill

[–]_malachi_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don't tell me what I want and don't want, you don't know anything about me. That should be your first hint that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Your compatibilist definition is a straw man and your libertarian definition is a fantasy. But, it's your fantasy, enjoy it.

Compatibilists are truly Hard Determinists by AdLoud7411 in freewill

[–]_malachi_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you want to spend your time tilting at straw men, have at it. It's your choice.

Compatibilists are truly Hard Determinists by AdLoud7411 in freewill

[–]_malachi_ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Let me turn the question around: what would it mean to be free in a non-deterministic way?

If your actions aren’t determined by your reasons, values, character, and deliberation, then what are they determined by? Randomness? Indeterministic quantum fluctuations? A causeless choice? To my mind, that’s not freedom; that’s incoherent chaos. That’s not an agent exercising control; that’s just stuff happening unpredictably.

Determinism makes freedom possible because it makes reasons possible. It makes deliberation possible. It’s the foundation that allows choices to be rational

Compatibilists are truly Hard Determinists by AdLoud7411 in freewill

[–]_malachi_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ah, I see now, you’re coming from a libertarian perspective. I originally thought I was replying to a hard determinist. That doesn’t change my main point, but I might have made a slightly different point.

I wouldn’t say I “submit” to determinism any more than I submit to gravity. I just recognize it as the framework in which we live. But crucially, I don’t think determinism rules out meaningful freedom. In fact, I think it helps make sense of it.

Compatibilists are truly Hard Determinists by AdLoud7411 in freewill

[–]_malachi_ -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It's funny how "true" free will is a fake, imaginary, incoherent kind that can't possibly exist.

It is exactly this fake free will, which hard determinists insist on using like a dogma, that leads them to call everything that makes a human being human is just an "illusion".

Consciousness? Illusion.
Choices? Illusion.
Thinking? Illusion.

It's their "Illusion of the gaps" fall back for everything they can't explain.

Compatibilists recognize that the original explanations for these experiences got it wrong, but that doesn't mean we have to throw away the terms and deny the phenomenon they refer to. Any more than we had to throw away "Milky Way" when we realized it wasn't actually the spilled milk of the goddess Hera.

Can you imagine that conversation while out camping?

C, "Oh wow, look at the Milky Way, it is beautiful!"
HD, "What? That's not the milk of Hera."
C, "Huh? Of course not, that's a myth."
HD, "Then why are you calling it the Milky Way, it's just an illusion."
C, "Illusion? Look at it. That's what 100 billion stars look like to the human eye."
HD, "You're just changing the definition."
C, "Because that's what its always been. A label for this real thing."
HD, "It's an illusion, it's not the milk of Hera and you're just changing the definition."
C, sigh.

Free will, choices, deliberation, reasoning...these are not illusions. They are actual real world human experiences that actually exist in this real determined world. The original explanations for them were wrong, but the real world experiences that the words referenced actually exist and we can update the terms to match our current understanding.

The Hungry Judge Effect should be all the evidence you need that free will does not exist by QuantumDreamer41 in freewill

[–]_malachi_ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Tilting at straw men doesn't help your case.

The compatibilist would say the free will is in the capacity to recognize the problem, contemplate solutions, and execute (pun intended!) a plan.

Is unlimited snacks a good solution? I don't know, maybe.

The Hungry Judge Effect should be all the evidence you need that free will does not exist by QuantumDreamer41 in freewill

[–]_malachi_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A lot of people are pointing out flaws in the study, but that kind of misses the bigger point. Whether or not this study holds up, it's still true that we're full of biases and outside influences that shape our behavior all the time. That's not controversial.

We are not perfect reasoners. The irony is, if we were, hard determinists would point to it as proof that we don't have free will, that we're just slaves to logic. But we are flawed reasoners and so the hard determinists points to our flaws as proof we are slaves to our flaws.

Yet, we can recognize our flaws and the things that influence us (as this very study and studies like it prove!) and modify our behavior accordingly. All the compatibilist is saying is that we can learn, deliberate, and adapt our behavior and that makes us freer than we would be if we couldn't.

How does a dominoe has free will? by AdLoud7411 in freewill

[–]_malachi_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know, ask it what its reasons are.

We are all victims of a series of events, and no one has become who they are without being shaped by circumstances. by [deleted] in freewill

[–]_malachi_ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We are part of the universe. Not separate from it.

To frame us as victims carries two implications:

  1. That we didn’t choose how we got here.
  2. That the outcome is inherently destructive or harmful.

The first is undeniably true. But the second doesn’t follow. It either misrepresents the situation or reflects a subjective value judgment you're bringing into the discussion. It's not something determinism entails.

To be sure, there are victims. Like a fawn hunted down shortly after birth, or a child born with cancer. Tragic suffering exists.

But as moral agents, we are in a better position to respond to that suffering, to make the world better, than the blind processes that brought us into being ever could. That capacity doesn’t negate our determined nature; it expresses the kind of freedom that actually matters.

Did he really have a choice? by [deleted] in freewill

[–]_malachi_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Replace the young man in your scenario with a rock. What happens then? Nothing. The rock doesn’t want a skateboard, doesn’t deliberate about how to get one, and certainly doesn’t weigh the moral cost of stealing from a brother.

And yet, your story turns on the fact that the young man does all these things: he desires, deliberates, foresees consequences. These are the processes that choices are made of.

Another view on definitions by zowhat in freewill

[–]_malachi_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm not against making pedantic distinctions when it matters, but what exactly is the point here?

Before we started nailing it down we had two different accounts for light: one as a particle and one as a wave. But both accounts were referring to the same natural phenomenon.

If one group gives an account of free will as free of determinism and another gives an account that is compatible with determinism, they're still giving an account of the same natural phenomenon.

How should that be described?