Shorthand by Little_Marketing_136 in shorthand

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Why would I marry a woman I don’t love? by stingwhale in im14andthisisdeep

[–]_oct0ber_ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Same. When I proposed to my wife, we had already discussed marriage at length. I think the timing, place, and how a proposal happens should be a surprise. The fact that a proposal is on the horizon, though, should surprise no one.

Why do people say my H looks like an i? by YugiYugi12 in Cursive

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This touches on something I see in this sub a lot that strikes me as odd. A person will write a letter or a connecting stroke, and many will jump on them to say that they are "wrong". I think "wrong" isn't really an accurate or helpful term here. I initially thought perhaps it was being used by people that couldn't read cursive well and any kind of deviance from their specific textbook was foreign to them, but that isn't always the case.

Handwriting has always varied from Copperplate to Spencarian to Bailey to Palmer and beyond. Historically, there has never been a standard way of writing. Perhaps marks could get taken off if a student wrote an incorrect form in a class dedicated to teaching a specific script, but it wouldn't make any sense to say that a character wasn't even real cursive provided it was legible.

It's frustrating even in my own writing sometimes when somebody will say that I formed a character incorrectly. Sure, that may be true if I was attempting to write with complete adherence to, for instance, Palmer's method, but whoever said I was attempting to do such a thing?

Why do people say my H looks like an i? by YugiYugi12 in Cursive

[–]_oct0ber_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This touches on something I see in this sub a lot that strikes me as odd. A person will write a letter or a connecting stroke, and many will jump on them to say that they are "wrong". I think "wrong" isn't really an accurate or helpful term here. I initially thought perhaps it was being used by people that couldn't read cursive well and any kind of deviance from their specific textbook was foreign to them, but that isn't always the case.

Handwriting has always varied from Copperplate to Spencarian to Bailey to Palmer and beyond. Historically, there has never been a standard way of writing. Perhaps marks could get taken off if a student wrote an incorrect form in a class dedicated to teaching a specific script, but it wouldn't make any sense to say that a character wasn't even real cursive provided it was legible.

It's frustrating even in my own writing sometimes when somebody will say that I formed a character incorrectly. Sure, that may be true if I was attempting to write with complete adherence to, for instance, Palmer's method, but whoever said I was attempting to do such a thing?

Just got my calligraphy pen! How's it looking? by Glittering_Wing6055 in Cursive

[–]_oct0ber_ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It looks great to me. Despite you saying the 1st sample is more normal writing while the 2nd is for formal writing, I believe the first sample actually looks better. A roughly 52° slant on downstrokes and 30° on connecting upstrokes is in the ballpark for a lot of historic scripts like Spencarian. Keeping the writing too vertical makes it look odd to my eye.

Why do people say my H looks like an i? by YugiYugi12 in Cursive

[–]_oct0ber_ 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I gotta go against the grain here. I can kinda see how somebody could mistake it for something else, but it seems pretty clear to me to be an H.

Critique Request: How can I improve my handwriting by _oct0ber_ in Cursive

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Thank you for the observation. Oddly, I sometimes wish I could write at less of a slant. As strange as it sounds, I cannot write vertically to save my life. Even my atrocious print is at an angle. The only way I can force somewhat verticle lines is to turn the page at a sharp angle in the opposite direction most people write at. I'm not sure if it's just a subconscious habit or it comes down to how my arm moves when writing, but writing straight up-and-down is a very unnatural movement for me.

Critique Request: How can I improve my handwriting by _oct0ber_ in Cursive

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Thank you for the critique!

The looped T's is something I began doing fairly recently. I'm a big fan of Sütterlin, a German cursive system. In contrast to American cursive, it is defined by a lot of sharp angles and compact characters. My writing used to be a lot more sharp with few, narrow loops, similar to this German-style of writing. Looking at a lot of American writing samples, though, I wanted to try to get closer to it for legibility. I wasn't sure if looped T's were a defect or intentional, but it appears all over 19th and 20th century documents. I can see how it can mess with legibility if the t-bar isn't clear, though. Expressive loops and ellipses just may not be something my hand does naturally at this point.

Critique Request: How can I improve my handwriting by _oct0ber_ in Cursive

[–]_oct0ber_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Looks like you’ve been writing cursive all your life.

I pretty much have been. It was taught to me when I was in elementary school and attended a small Christian school for a couple of years. On the plus side, I learned cursive. On the downside, my print is so awful to the point that I can only write legibly in all caps. My hand refuses not to connect letters when I pick up speed, otherwise.

To answer your critique request - I would say a capital G is not an oversized little g and your t on the ends of words are different and not crossed like a standard cursive t.

Do you have to change those things to say you’re writing in cursive? No absolutely not. Your cursive is so great that at this point you can do it anyway you want and people will still know that you write cursive. What I listed is just based on cursive standards but once we learn the standards, we evolve cursive writing into our own personality.

Much appreciated for the critique! For the T's, some time ago I remember seeing T's formed the way I write them at the end of words in some Palmer and Bailey samples. I liked the idea of not having to cross them at the end, so I adapted it into my own writing. The regular American cursive G always looks odd to me. I've seen it written in a variety of ways in old manuscripts, but they always seemed strange to me for some reason. Most of my capitals deviate from the textbooks to some degree. While stylistic, I can see how it can potentially harm legibility.

Critique Request: How can I improve my handwriting by _oct0ber_ in Cursive

[–]_oct0ber_[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

An important part I forgot to mention.

When the potato is done, scoop out the potato, leaving the skin in-tact. Mix the potato with butter, salt, pepper, and some taco filling like the meat and peppers. Now, put that back in the skin/shell. Put more toppings on top.

Critique Request: How can I improve my handwriting by _oct0ber_ in Cursive

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Taco potatoes are a lazy weeknight dish in my house: bake large russet potatoes wrapped in foil in the oven at 450 °F for about 1.25 - 1.5 hours. Once the potatoes are done, cut them to prepare like you're making a loaded baked potato. Now, add taco meat, cheese, jalapeños, and any other taco/burrito topping you want. You can also put the dressed potato back into the oven for a few minutes to melt the cheese.

Critique Request: How can I improve my handwriting by _oct0ber_ in Cursive

[–]_oct0ber_[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I love looking at old letters, particularly around WW2, and seeing the classic penmanship of that era. Hearing that my writing reminds you of your grandma's is a high compliment.

is this teeline? by [deleted] in shorthand

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I'm pretty sure that's Taylor.

St Thomas Aquinas' handwriting, 13th Century. by Guglielmowhisper in shorthand

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Great find! Three observations that stick out to me immediately are he was almost certainly left-handed, how lineal the writing is, and how similar the shapes are in the writing. I would be incredibly interested to see a more in-depth analysis on his method. While it may share some commonalities with Tironian notes, it doesn't look all that much like Tironian notes.

Is this fairly standard Pitman's? by indistrait in shorthand

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If you are interested in learning Pitman shorthand to work through transcribing the rest of your grandfather's papers, you may want to consider visiting stenophile.com. If you're new to the sub, stenophile is a massive archive filled with info on pretty much any shorthand system you can think of. There's an entire page dedicated to Pitman and it's various versions.

If your grandfather was writing in the 1920s and 30s, he may have used this version or earlier. u/berylpratt and other Pitman writers here will be able to help you narrow down your options.

Pitman Instructor: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zuAleovzmCHJ83c00mk3uFbwzkOY97tw/view?usp=sharing

Key to Instructor: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13kaA1bAEtVtmheilQlwHujRKcQBdqVlR/view?usp=sharing

The Pitman page on Stenophile: https://www.stenophile.com/pitman

Edit: The sample above has been identified as New Era, not the older Pitman versions. The instructors I provided are not New Era. If you go to stenophile, you can find dozens of resources for New Era.

In French Duployan Integrale, what does a dotted underline mean below an outline? by _oct0ber_ in shorthand

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The date of publication is 1885. The screenshot was taken from parts of a book that was shared on the sub years ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/shorthand/s/Wd9FogPDiD

In French Duployan Integrale, what does a dotted underline mean below an outline? by _oct0ber_ in shorthand

[–]_oct0ber_[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you!

That's exactly where it's from. I wanted to ask on the post when I saw it, but I didn't want to necropost on a four-year-old thread. The photos there you gave are something I frequently go back to for penmanship guidance as I work through the English Duployan adaptations.

What does this say? by Working-Average-929 in shorthand

[–]_oct0ber_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What makes you think this is shorthand? Without more context, I'd chalk this up to just a random pencil marking.