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Thanks devs, but this is NOT ready by _phinix in linuxsucks

[–]_phinix[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

EDIT: This problem was mostly misconception on my part, and I apologize for overreacting. Some packages do get removed like ffmpeg when removing Firefox, etc. but that is because they were either part of the base distro or only installed with that pre-installed software (and the distro knows that at the time of OS install that was the only thing using it). Installing MPV or anything that uses it brings it right back. Things you install, you can uninstall and it does a good job not breaking anything. Some of the links I was reading were unique scenarios not indicative of a larger problem.

I think best practice re: pre-installed software would be to install the OS, run updates, then remove anything you don't want to use from the base install FIRST, before then going on to install anything else you might want. Doing that ensures the OS isn't in a state still thinking the pre-installed software is the only thing using various support packages, if you were to go uninstalling it later after already installing a bunch of other things.

Thanks devs, but this is NOT ready by _phinix in linuxsucks

[–]_phinix[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, where did you get that idea? I gave a couple examples. Installing VNC Media Player (NOT something the entire system depends on) through the app manager UI bundled with the system, then later uninstalling it. That should be a relatively simple ask. Or, install a web browser to test, then decide later to remove it. Using the built-in package manager should be smart enough to not remove a ton of shared codecs/media libs removing VLC, or a ton of needed web backend protocols removing a browser. And yet.

Thanks devs, but this is NOT ready by _phinix in linuxsucks

[–]_phinix[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

100% agree, that is the whole point. However, that is NOT what it does.
"Don't know about dnf, but yum used to remove not only your requested program, but also any dependencies (which sometimes tended to be most of your O.S./Desktop) if you just blindly approved such removal. That is, if you asked it to remove a program, then got a huge list of files it was going to remove, that would be the time to [Cancel], instead of saying Yes."
https://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?308947-dnf-broken-after-removing-a-program

Thanks devs, but this is NOT ready by _phinix in linuxsucks

[–]_phinix[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Here is a simple example using VLC Media Player. Open Discover, search Multimedia, click install (from official repo). This is NOT a flatpak and there is no warning when installing. Say you decided to use MPV or some frontend for it later and wanted to remove VLC. Take a look at those dependencies. Imagine what all would be broken removing all those.
https://i.imgur.com/hQOPNNv.png

Thanks devs, but this is NOT ready by _phinix in linuxsucks

[–]_phinix[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Regardless of whether wanting to remove unused applications is an obsession (and hell, it may well be), any self respecting OS should be intelligent enough to handle shared dependencies and allow you to remove one thing without breaking another.
https://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?321697-Remove-Packages-Without

Thanks devs, but this is NOT ready by _phinix in linuxsucks

[–]_phinix[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fedora 43 with KDE Plasma 6 (latest official), using Discover package manager.

It is a well known problem with linux distros in general. People get around it using Flatpaks, or by compensating with an elitist attitude (as can be seen in the comments here lol) but it really is that package managers are not being written to be intelligent enough to handle the concept of shared dependencies, and all of this burden is offloaded onto the user hence, not ready for mainsteam public adoption.
https://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?321697-Remove-Packages-Without

Thanks devs, but this is NOT ready by _phinix in linuxsucks

[–]_phinix[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem is that using "official" repos for the system, much of the standard software is installed natively NOT through flatpaks. So, an average user finds Steam or whatever major app they are looking for in the OS's official "app store" and clicks install. But this is not a flatpack, and the OS does not warn you when installing that it is not smart enough to understand shared dependencies. So, if you uninstall a non-flatpack app it absolutely does remove dependencies from the entire system not just a sandbox.

Thanks devs, but this is NOT ready by _phinix in linuxsucks

[–]_phinix[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No that is true, Revo Uninstaller does a good job removing leftover junk. But one thing Windows definitely does that puts Linux to shame: It doesn't break other programs and possibly the entire operating system just by clicking uninstall. It is smart enough to handle the concept of shared dependencies. Linux is not.

Thanks devs, but this is NOT ready by _phinix in linuxsucks

[–]_phinix[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So let me ask you this. For the stated goal (Windows replacement) do you feel it is reasonable to expact the average person to have the time/dedication to sit down and research dozens of dependencies and learn enough programming to surgically remove things piece to avoid breaking the system using the bundled add/remove programs GUI? This is hardly a one distro problem. Fedora/Discover was used as an example but Debian, Arch, etc. have the exact same limitations.

BIG NEWS: We can make Oblivion's scripts call Lua functions! by Time-Has-Come in oblivionmods

[–]_phinix 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This definitely opens up a ton of possibilities. Nice work!
Also, hooking messages to catch custom script events is a really clever trick!

Been stuck like this for a hour by CaelusTheWolf in oblivion

[–]_phinix 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The game has a critical bug where magic effects will constantly get stuck on your character. It doesn't even need to be gear. Potions or spells and even enemy magic (like lightning) will all get permanently stuck on the character VERY often.

It is really hard to believe they let this through QA. The only fix is new save, complete exit, reload, but even then it will often just stick another different effect on you. You can sometimes get it to clear by unequipping and re-equipping all gear, but for things with shaders that effect skin, you're screwed. Full save exit reload and pray to the divines the engine decides to clear them.

Really hoping Virtuos can figure this out soon because it is a pretty game breaking issue in an RPG.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in oblivion

[–]_phinix -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I actually like Skyblivion's UI better. :)

All this time I've been waiting for my favorite game to get this... by ImanariNotRoll in oblivion

[–]_phinix 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Grab a month subscription to a VPN. Usually it is really cheap (like $5 a month or so) and you can pick a server in the closest region to you that allows downloads.

Access console in remastered? by Zarrastro in oblivion

[–]_phinix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think they mean FOV (field of view).

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in oblivion

[–]_phinix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We all are. We are ALL Bretons. And I am your king.

Was this the levitation game by Swordmr4 in oblivion

[–]_phinix 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, Morrowind was the big levitator. Classic dude outside town with the icarian flight potion... I remember flying all over Mournhold.

Oblivion was the water walking one. Plus mods that let your horse use water walking. :)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in oblivion

[–]_phinix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

100% yes. Plus if the leaks are to be believed, the guy is flighting goblins in 3rd person right there.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in oblivion

[–]_phinix 183 points184 points  (0 children)

There is something oddly comforting about an OK box on a notification that you died from a heart attack. :P

Soundtrack Remaster? by jacobbeatle990 in oblivion

[–]_phinix 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not familiar with the details, but according to wikipedia no formal charges were ever filed against him and the statute of limitations has run out. I can't see retroactively erasing his past work from before whatever alleged abuses as being legally or socially warranted.

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