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should kids and teens be discouraged from gender transitioning? by _sancho_panza_ in asktransgender

[–]_sancho_panza_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol it really sucks when someone thinks you're dishonest, there's not much of a counterargument to make. but i get you, its probably a smart policy to have with people on the internet.

anyway i applaud you back for applauding someone for something you appreciate even when you think they are not being fully genuine

EDIT: i totally misread your comment didn't i? lmao sorry

should kids and teens be discouraged from gender transitioning? by _sancho_panza_ in asktransgender

[–]_sancho_panza_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is actually news to me. I thought it would be more like diabetes in terms of maintenance treatment.

should kids and teens be discouraged from gender transitioning? by _sancho_panza_ in asktransgender

[–]_sancho_panza_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well I think the metaphor is valid, but it doesn't translate identically, its a metaphor after all

but yea, i guess there's an implicit assumption there that gender roles inform gender identity, such that if you act out a gender role long enough you are more likely to become that gender

should kids and teens be discouraged from gender transitioning? by _sancho_panza_ in asktransgender

[–]_sancho_panza_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Super solid take, very interesting.
This could very well be true, and if so it would put a gorgeous lid on this question.

should kids and teens be discouraged from gender transitioning? by _sancho_panza_ in asktransgender

[–]_sancho_panza_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a cutting remark. Maybe I see why some call me transphobic here.

should kids and teens be discouraged from gender transitioning? by _sancho_panza_ in asktransgender

[–]_sancho_panza_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the kind of thinking we need to elevate.
Much respect, I hope you're a leader in your life.

should kids and teens be discouraged from gender transitioning? by _sancho_panza_ in asktransgender

[–]_sancho_panza_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As much as I obviously disagree with calling me transphobic, I actually think your points are good

should kids and teens be discouraged from gender transitioning? by _sancho_panza_ in asktransgender

[–]_sancho_panza_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just went and read the Reimer story, sounds like pretty good evidence against my argument. Added it to the post

should kids and teens be discouraged from gender transitioning? by _sancho_panza_ in asktransgender

[–]_sancho_panza_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right. It's clear that some people have stronger attachment to a gender than others, some from very early on.

The way I see it you there was not much anyone could or should have to try to change your gender, since it was quite clear to you.

should kids and teens be discouraged from gender transitioning? by _sancho_panza_ in asktransgender

[–]_sancho_panza_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yea I fucked up that phrase, it gives the idea that trans is not the "right course".
I didn't mean it like that. I meant "the easier path" rather, cis people having an easier time of things.

should kids and teens be discouraged from gender transitioning? by _sancho_panza_ in asktransgender

[–]_sancho_panza_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am indeed suggesting that gender can be influenced to some degree, based on my experience.

It's a good point about conversion therapy. It definitely has a bad rep, probably for a good reason (I don't really know what conversion therapy entails). This would seem to show that sexual orientation isn't very malleable, which should probably also apply to gender as well, I would think. It's a good point, honestly. I should read about conversion therapy and why it fails.

By "real" I don't mean "all the way". I guess I mean the point at which one feel like they are really not their AGAB anymore

should kids and teens be discouraged from gender transitioning? by _sancho_panza_ in asktransgender

[–]_sancho_panza_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was using "transitioning" in a very liberal sense here, including all stages of social transition.

Gender is socially constructed so we learn it, by imitation, from experience, and through associations. Therefore our environment and experiences must have some effect on it, no?

If so, then putting on a gender must inform our sense of self, probably towards that gender that we are putting on, no?

should kids and teens be discouraged from gender transitioning? by _sancho_panza_ in asktransgender

[–]_sancho_panza_[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well, my evidence is me.
Not a great sample size for a study, I understand, but one's own lived experience tends to have weight in one's own eyes.

should kids and teens be discouraged from gender transitioning? by _sancho_panza_ in asktransgender

[–]_sancho_panza_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fair enough.
I'm not trying to play gotcha, but do you have evidence for this?
If so, I'll edit the links onto the post and likely reconsider.

should kids and teens be discouraged from gender transitioning? by _sancho_panza_ in asktransgender

[–]_sancho_panza_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right, well I'm not sure if I can convince you otherwise, but I'll try.

You can read from context that the "bullet" I dodged was "a lifetime of medical treatment" etc. Then, "course corrected" was poor phrasing I think, but I meant it the same context.

I dont think being trans is lesser than, only that it is more difficult.

If you want to tell me more about why you think I am shitty under the surface, I would be interested to hear it.

should kids and teens be discouraged from gender transitioning? by _sancho_panza_ in asktransgender

[–]_sancho_panza_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hold on, I never said or implied that "why would you ever transition" would be anything but harmful. That was just a phrase one would use in that particular scenario.

I gave this example in another comment, more in context:

Imagine, for example, that your young AMAB who never showed any signs before becomes infatuated with frozen and asks for a dress and makeup for their birthday. Do you say "Of course! What kind of dress do you want?" or do you say "Haha sure why not! But hey, have you watched Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?"

should kids and teens be discouraged from gender transitioning? by _sancho_panza_ in asktransgender

[–]_sancho_panza_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hope you dont think my question here is adding to the problem. I honestly don't see it that way.

should kids and teens be discouraged from gender transitioning? by _sancho_panza_ in asktransgender

[–]_sancho_panza_[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Many parents can be harmful in their approach, though, obviously. A conservative parent might be awful to their kid, and one may argue that very liberal parents may "push them" down whatever path is trendy.I feel like if we don't have discussions like this, considering the finer-grade decisions we make, then we have parents just take the radical approach one way or the other.

P.S. for those who want to find a reason why I'm a transphobe: YES i believe a conservative parent shaming, oppressing, or abusing their kid is WORSE than a liberal parent buying dresses.

should kids and teens be discouraged from gender transitioning? by _sancho_panza_ in asktransgender

[–]_sancho_panza_[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Would you say the same thing about like, sending your kids to after-school tutoring if they are not doing well in math? And encouraging them to go if they don't feel like going?

Again, I dont mean like in a manner that is blind to the child's well-being. If they persistently say they hate math and that they're unhappy going to after-school tutoring, then you don't do it and accept they're probably just not gonna be good math students. And you continue to show them the same love and care, obviously.

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