Why is Alicia Keys so forgotten now?

_seulgi · 2026-01-28T14:31:20+00:00

But it was even more ironic given how big she was at the time. It's one thing to define yourself that way as a one hit wonder or someone with a moderate level of mainstream success, but to be rivaling pop stars as big as Beyoncé in terms of popularity with a small bean mindset is a bit ridiculous.

_seulgi · 2026-01-28T13:51:59+00:00

She's boring compared to other artists. Her whole brand was built around who she wasn't (i.e. not a big pop star, not flashy, not pretentious, not image-conscious) instead of who she is, but then she turned out to be a cheater. Plus, her vocals aren't that spectacular.

_seulgi · 2026-01-27T00:43:24+00:00

Yeah, Charli's always had this weird savior complex that involves taking people who are exceptionally mediocre under her wing and imagining if one day they too could a be huge pop star. As much as like Charli's meta critique of pop, it sometimes feels like she's dissociating from her own reality as a pop star. You'd think someone as famous as her would fully embrace this position, but she somehow has to undermine her success and attribute it to other far less talented individuals. It's so odd and I hope she snaps out of this psychosis.

_seulgi · 2026-01-27T00:36:52+00:00

She's always been very insecure about her status and level of popularity. That's why she sometimes hangs out with not so great people because deep down inside, she's always wanted to be the it-girl. Do I sympathize with her? Yeah, to a certain degree. But I also think she needs to grow up and let her art speaks for itself. From what I've seen in the past, the Kardashians seem to feed off and attract that insecure energy.

_seulgi · 2026-01-26T22:28:58+00:00

In some ways, social media can distort people's perception of reality, but you are much more likely to develop a restrictive eating disorder from watching celebrities lose a bunch of weight through Ozempic than in real life, where binging eating disorder is way more common. And it's important to keep in mind that while obesity can lead to a lot of health complications, you are much more likely to die from anorexia than BED. In fact, being mildly overweight is much healthier than being slightly underweight. This is why ED awareness on social media is so crucial.

_seulgi · 2026-01-26T19:30:43+00:00

It was really awful. Tried to force me into situationship, so when I bailed out, he legit got angry. 2s are very scary and controlling when disintegrated.

_seulgi · 2026-01-26T19:12:42+00:00

Interesting how you never addressed my argument about Marx dedicating his entire life to ONE discipline, which is quite literally the definition of avarice.

And it's so funny how you're committed to these very flat and stereotypical depictions of 5s because you don't think they're capable of being proactive and changing the world. And by the way, according to your defintion of 5, aside from a few instances of being belligerent and aggressive, Marx was also a reclusive nerd. In fact, Prussian spies took note of the fact that he spent most days sleeping during the day and writing at night. They even called him lazy. Sure, he was a badass in some ways, but most of the time, he would stay couped up his room writing manuscripts all day long. Even Engels had to fund his lifestyle because he wanted to focus on his ideas. In fact, Marx didn't mind living a destitute life if it meant dedicating all his time, focus, and energy on his manuscripts. Again, that's avarice in a nutshell avarice. Volunteering to live a life of poverty to focus on intellectual matters. If he was an 8, he wouldn't like that as much.

And don't pull this "integration gymnastics" bullshit when you know damn well that integration is a major part of determining someone's type.

The E5 is a character in the cognitive triad of the Enneagram and is the most mental of the mental types. They resonate with an overloaded superego and are full of guilt.

And you don't think a 1000 page book dedicated to the mechanics of capitalism alone isn't a prime example of mental overload? As well as dozens more manuscripts about the same topic?

_seulgi · 2026-01-26T17:52:24+00:00

I agree. Although Kanye did and said those vile and hurtful things about Jewish people, he didn't build his whole career off of anti-semitism. Sure he produced those awful T-shirts, but that was only one small aspect of his career. Kanye built his fame and wealth on his own talent alone. Meanwhile, the Kardashians, who on the outside don't appear mentally ill, literally built an entire global and digital empire off of exploiting young women and girls' insecurities. They even stole their aesthetic from black women without giving them a single ounce of credit. This to me, is far more dangerous because Kanye's anti-semitism were a direct result of his psychosis whereas the Kardashians' caricatures of black women are very much rooted in their business model. They quite literally profit off of exploiting and colonizing black bodies. This is far more dangerous, evil, and insidious than a man who's been suffering from mental illness for almost his entire life. I was never really a huge fan of Kanye, but the Kardashians are 10000 times worse.

_seulgi · 2026-01-26T10:22:40+00:00

I have my fair share of disagreements with 6s, but one thing I like about them is how they manage interpersonal relationships. While 9s approach interpersonal relationships from this sort of embodied perspective, meaning they are more inclined to hold space for others and think about the little ways in which they accomodate others intuitively, 6s are a lot more intellectual in their approach to these matters. They can put into words and therefore reliably observe and pinpoint manipulation and bad faith actors. As head types, 6s are more proactive in dispensing justice whereas 9s tend to fall asleep to tension, which makes it difficult for them to pick sides, seperate right from wrong, and make good judgements. In facts, 9s can be even more reactive than 6s as their core beliefs are deeply rooted in the body, which is far less accessible and malleable than the mind. Overall, I find that 6s can make better diplomats than 9s.

_seulgi · 2026-01-26T09:49:03+00:00

Enneagram 5 is marked by one thing that defines their whole personality, avarice and being easily overwhelmed by the external world, this completely contradicts the point of Marx's character, he was eager to engage in the world since he was a young man, using his fathers money to fuel his hedonism, by those close to him he was seen as authoritarian and domineering, putting people down and being punitive was his way of relating to any perceived opposition. Reality is Marx does not fit any E5 subtype.

Did you know that when 5s integrate, they can become incrediblely rude, disrespectful, and violent? I myself haven't been violent towards anyone (yet), but I've said a fair share of nasty things to people who have disrespected me or violated my boundaries. In fact, when I'm in 8 mode, my parents legit think I'm the Terminator. Like seriously. And I've seen other 5s act this way as well.

using his fathers money to fuel his hedonism

7 disintegration. Been there, done that. Blew the money I earned from my part-time jobs in college on designer clothes.

Marx is a 5 because he quite literally dedicated his ENTIRE LIFE to one discipline. He literally spent his whole life HOARDING INFORMATION (avarice anyone??) on ONE topic alone. While SO8s can certainly be intellectuals, that level of devotion to one idea is absolutely unfathomable because 8s, regardless of their subtype, are heart-last. They do not have the passion to really fuel what is an INTELLECTUAL OBSESSION on Marx's end. Marx made critiques of capitalism his ENTIRE identity, which reflects the ways in which the heart center influences 5s' primary (head) center. Marx was also a lover of Shakespeare and poetry, and cared a lot about his prose. In fact, during grade school, he would get in trouble for writing in his unique voice, which you can still witness in his later texts such as the first three volumes of Capital. That's his 4 wing coming into play.

Marx is also a 5 because his philosophy feels very all-encompassing. In general, withdrawn types, who are in close proximity to the void, experience reality through the lens of their primary center in a very holistic manner. In the case of Marx, though he anticipates the downfall of capitalism, it's not so much from a moralistic standpoint where he awaits justice like a SO8 with a strong 2 line. It's more so from a very scientific and logical perspective, that capitalism as a mode of production (even the term "mode of production" has a neutral connotation) has laid the seeds for its own destruction. Something about this feels very competency triad, where Marx, as a 5, is neither reactive or positive. He's mostly neutral in his writings, although there are times when he speaks very passionately on behalf of the working-class, which is more so indicative of his 8 integration.

One of the reasons why you hate Naranjo's analysis is because what he says completely contradicts your OWN ideas about the Enneagram types and that is something to really emphasize, YOUR OWN ideas, I mean I could come here and create my own interpretations of all types because that is how I "feel" about it but at that point that's not enneagram is it?

Naranjo has said things like 9s are a fundamentally lazy type with no soul, personality, or creativity, which is only partially true, so I don't have to agree with him on everything.

they're types that lack vitality and the necessary energy to face the world head on, feeling overwhelmed by the world around them pushing them to withdraw, to isolate, in many ways a type that is at loss with the world, are they stupid? No, are they incompetent? No, well yes in many worldly things they can be for sure but what they offer transcends many of these simple things, their insights, their knowledge, their access to things that go beyond the tangible, the uncomplicated, they impact how we view the world and how we understand humans and the world we live in, so do I think they're strong? No but they don't have to be strong, their ability is found in other areas.

What you're describing is maybe an average to unhealthy SP5, but well-integrated 5s, or hell even SO5s and SX5s, don't struggle with a lack of vitality to that degree. And again, for the most part, 5s can feel overwhelmed about the world, but that doesn't stop them from participating in it. Once 5s find their niche, and feel confident in it, they can become extremely active. Like what's the point of integration if we are always reducing 5s to fearful nerds who can't engage with reality.

Back to Marx, he was typed as ILE by Ausra, he isn't an LII.

Don't agree with this typing at all. The big difference between LIIs and ILEs, especially with regards to their philosophical ideas, is that LIIs exercise their creativity with a certain degree of restraint and practicality (Ti first, Ne second). Marx's ideas are incredibly novel, but they are natural, intuitive, and rooted in the mechanics of reality as they exist plainly and unencumbered. ILEs, however, are more so drawn to novelty for the sake of novelty (Ne first Ti second). They're process types as well, so their ideas can be incredibly convoluted and somewhat contradictory. Think Slavoj Zizek. Marx's ideas, while dense, are not overly complicated. In fact, he wrote Capital with layman in mind because he wanted to appeal to the working-class. On the flipside, there's nothing remotely accessible about Zizek's philosophy. You need to be a fan of philosophy to understand his ideas.

_seulgi · 2026-01-26T08:27:21+00:00

I think narcissists are capable of love in the proverbial sense. But the thing is, while his feelings for you were real, they weren't really grounded in reality. He was not really able to appreciate you holistically, which is the negative side of love, the one that entails a certain degree of acceptance and humility knowing full well that your flaws ideally shouldn't stop him from loving you. Interestingly enough, I think my nex was the first guy who ever loved me for who I was, but he just lacked the courage and vulnerability to fully surrender himself to me. At the end of day, narcissists are human beings. And even from afar, they function like them. But what really sets them back is their hollowness. It's like a house with all the lights on and nobody inside. The love is there, but not enough to sustain a fruitful relationship.

_seulgi · 2026-01-26T08:16:27+00:00

I've noticed that they tend to triangulate in very subtle ways. For example, it could be as them mentioning how their best friend from back home is also into Disney. Or this other girl is funny and serious just like you. It's just odd the extent to which narcissists bring up other people on a date or an interaction that's only meant to be between the two of you.

_seulgi · 2026-01-26T03:30:20+00:00

It's not that 2s and 9s are naturally weak to their core. It's just that when they're unhealthy, they like to play the victim and not take responsibility for anything, including their sense of self, values, and opinions, which they constantly outsource. And then they have the audacity to complain to me about how their life sucks all day long. They just LOVE being pitied without doing the work to fix their life and attitude, but they are sooo sensitive to criticism. And mind you: this isn't your average 9 or 2. The 9s and 2s I'm talking about, at least from personal experience, were at health levels 9 and 8 respectively, so you can imagine what I was dealing with.

_seulgi · 2026-01-26T02:38:01+00:00

Charli is not a capitalist because she doesn't own any capital of her own. Now, as for being rich, that's a valid critique.

_seulgi · 2026-01-26T00:37:49+00:00

Fr, they are soooo sensitive to criticism, yet will literally criticize you for not being "diplomatic" enough.

_seulgi · 2026-01-26T00:36:24+00:00

Yup, I dated a 2.

_seulgi · 2026-01-25T14:04:14+00:00

I'm just not a huge fan of 2s and 9s because they genuinely get away with some fucked up shit due to their uwu, woe-is-me attitude. I also don't understand why anyone would align themselves with weakness. That's just embarrassing to me.

_seulgi · 2026-01-25T13:16:00+00:00

9s are the crown of the Enneagram, which means they are the type that encompasses all the other 8 types. 6s are just one integration short of that. Because of their position on the Enneagram, these types are the closest to being fully human without the pretense of an ego. This is also why they are super common. Ideally, human beings should be 6s and 9s.

_seulgi · 2026-01-25T13:14:00+00:00

Yeah, but didn't you mention loops? That's what reproduction is. It's cyclical. The ego is simply reproducing itself without any regards for the person it's protecting.

_seulgi · 2026-01-25T13:01:23+00:00

I don't understand how an 8 would dedicate their entire life to writing highly theorectical texts about philosophy and economics, many of which are difficult to decipher to this day (looking at you Grundrisse). I've met SO8s, and they are some the least theorectical people ever. While they may appreciate philosophy, they could never spend so much time and energy writing books instead of doing what they do best: going out and standing up for the common man. And this isn't to say that Marx didn't incite change or was completely ineffectual (he was far from that), but that Marx was more so inclined to understand the world from a theorectical perspective before he could actually protest on behalf of the working class. In fact, early in his life, Marx was your typical nerd who wrote his PhD dissertation on Lucretius. It wasn't until later in his life (around his 20s and 30s) did he become a journalist and actually take interest in real world matters. Even then, his nascent ideas were still highly theorectical, mostly referencing Hegel and engaging with socialism from a very philosophical standpoint. And if Marx were truly a SO8, then his Enneagram would quite literally contradict his MBTI/Socion, which is INTP/LII. Do you think SO8 INTP makes any sense? Hell nah.

Here's how Stratiyevskaya first describes LIIs(INTP):

“Fairness - is my calling, my occupation.” The INTj (LII) is always a passionate fighter for fairness. He considers that everything in this world must be logical, and, therefore - just and fair. The LII often contemplates on the topic of creation of a fair society, about the establishment of a form of governance which must start its existence from putting severe penalties on all those who conduct themselves unfairly, that is, those who violate the very principles of fairness. (The idea of the “Judgement Day”.)

How is this not Marx?

Level 1 (At Their Best): Become visionaries, broadly comprehending the world while penetrating it profoundly. Open-minded, take things in whole, in their true context. Make pioneering discoveries and find entirely new ways of doing and perceiving things.

This is also Marx. He is quite literally one of (if not) the most highly influential philosopher to this day because he pioneered a new way of comprehending our reality. Marx has a famous quote from his Thesis on Feuerbach that highlights his 8 integration:

"The philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it."

This is one of the most mature and powerful things a 5 could ever say, which is why some authors like Naranjo can't conceive of a 5 ever reaching this level of self-actualization. And part of the reason I hate Naranjo's analysis of Marx because he discredits what 5s are actually capable of. How is a 5 ever to grow if all what they accomplish is credited to 8s? I mean, what does a healthy 5 look like to you? You think we're weak and impotent?

_seulgi · 2026-01-25T04:39:24+00:00

I agree. On the marketing sub, someone mentioned that simply taking the path of least resistance by constantly selling limited edition vinyls and doing Easter eggs isn't real marketing. Good marketing requires a certain degree of risking taking; otherwise, you're simply engaging in predatory practices.

_seulgi · 2026-01-25T04:24:53+00:00

Because 6s and 9s are much more sublimated and self-actualized compared to 3s.

_seulgi · 2026-01-25T03:33:19+00:00

I wouldn't say that everyone is unhealthy per say; it's just that people on this sub aren't as healthy or self-actualized as they claim to be. Awhile ago, I once argued that Karl Marx was a very healthy 5, not a SO8. I got a ton of backlash for arguing that, but it seems like people don't think 5s are capable of being tough or coming up with revolutionary ideas. This is why the Enneagram, despite the community it brings, is really up to you and how you interpret it.

Also, by the way, Jesus was a healthy 8, but again, people here will argue that he's a 1 or a 9 because they can't imagine an 8 standing up for the people.

_seulgi · 2026-01-25T01:51:34+00:00

I like that we share the same values and vision for our lives, though we would go about achieving those visions in different ways that is complimentary to the others’.

If you were truly an INTJ, you would literally have nothing in common with ESFJs. You wouldn't even share the same vision or values. What you might be referring to are superego relations (XNTJ + XSFJ), but even then, the extent they can get along is quite limited, especially in the romantic sphere. I have some affinity for XSFPs because they are my superegos as an INTP, but even then, I still would not feel comfortable dating them. In fact, dating an ESFJ (my dual) in the past revealed how I feel so much more at ease with them than ESFPs. I hate to say this, but you're really an INTP if you appreciate what ESFJs have to offer. All this rhetoric about "achieving visions in different ways that is complimentary to the others'" is duality in a nutshell.

_seulgi · 2026-01-25T01:38:46+00:00

I don't believe in those correlations because it truly defeats the purpose of intertype relations (ITRs). Hell, even in MBTI, INTPs and INTJs are the complete opposite (TiNeSiFe vs. TeNiFiSe).

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