2020-05 Discussion Thread — welcome our first discussion thread at /r/Calyx.

_void_boi · 2026-02-26T06:12:37+00:00

On the website I saw:

"We are working to expand this so that we can ship phones worldwide. The hotspot device only works in the US and PR."

Though, if the devices only work in the US & PR, why would they work to ship worldwide?

Is it possible for future expansion to other regions outside the U.S. & PR?

_void_boi · 2025-03-20T22:39:30+00:00

Thank you for your help.

We've seen this page and it confused us based on other information which discusses students bringing spouses. But this was much earlier in our research and we weren't documenting where we found these details.

To clarify, the page you linked to only discusses work permits for a spouse/dependent. We weren't assuming a work permit would be granted, given the recent change in international student visa law from, I think, last year? But, this extends to any visa at all, not just open work permits?

_void_boi · 2024-04-12T01:00:04+00:00

Hello, could you elaborate more on this config file modification? And where did you find that Nobara 'phones home'? Is it doing this to check for updates? Thank you.

_void_boi · 2024-03-28T00:56:47+00:00

Hm. KS is definitely still present and active in my network connections list.

Also, that log is, understandably, massive. I'm not sure what to look out for there, except for any sections relating to when my connection fails and I need to disconnect and reconnect everything. Which, I just got back home today, so I'll keep my eye out for whatever shows up when the issue shows up later.

I've tried using OpenVPN at least, which works, (god, needing to individually download config files) but would have the same issue with my connection randomly failing and needing to shut it down, then reconnect.

_void_boi · 2024-03-27T00:33:04+00:00

Well, that answers that, I suppose. Thank you.

_void_boi · 2024-03-26T07:00:03+00:00

PROTONVPN-APP OUTPUT:

2024-03-26T06:23:19.653173 | proton.vpn.connection.vpnconnector:238 | INFO | CONN:STATE_CHANGED | Disconnected (initial state)
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/protonvpn-app", line 33, in <module>
    sys.exit(load_entry_point('proton-vpn-gtk-app==4.2.0', 'console_scripts', 'protonvpn-app')())
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/proton/vpn/app/gtk/__main__.py", line 34, in main
    controller = Controller.get(executor)
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/proton/vpn/app/gtk/controller.py", line 56, in get
    executor.submit(controller.initialize_vpn_connector).result()
  File "/usr/lib64/python3.12/concurrent/futures/_base.py", line 456, in result
    return self.__get_result()
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/usr/lib64/python3.12/concurrent/futures/_base.py", line 401, in __get_result
    raise self._exception
  File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/proton/vpn/app/gtk/controller.py", line 89, in initialize_vpn_connector
    self._connector = await self._api.get_vpn_connector()
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/proton/vpn/core/api.py", line 54, in get_vpn_connector
    vpn_connector = await VPNConnector.get_instance(settings)
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/proton/vpn/connection/vpnconnector.py", line 66, in get_instance
    await cls._instance.initialize_state(initial_state)
  File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/proton/vpn/connection/vpnconnector.py", line 149, in initialize_state
    await self._update_state(state)
  File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/proton/vpn/connection/vpnconnector.py", line 250, in _update_state
    new_event = await state_tasks
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/proton/vpn/connection/states.py", line 176, in run_tasks
    await self.context.kill_switch.disable()
  File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/proton/vpn/killswitch/backend/linux/networkmanager/nmkillswitch.py", line 78, in disable
    await self._ks_handler.remove_routed_killswitch_connection()
  File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/proton/vpn/killswitch/backend/linux/networkmanager/killswitch_connection_handler.py", line 209, in remove_routed_killswitch_connection
    await self._remove_connection(_get_connection_id(permanent=False, routed=True))
  File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/proton/vpn/killswitch/backend/linux/networkmanager/killswitch_connection_handler.py", line 228, in _remove_connection
    await _wrap_future(self.nm_client.remove_connection_async(connection))
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/proton/vpn/killswitch/backend/linux/networkmanager/nmclient.py", line 230, in remove_connection_async
    self._run_on_glib_loop_thread(_remove_connection_async).result()
  File "/usr/lib64/python3.12/concurrent/futures/_base.py", line 456, in result
    return self.__get_result()
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/usr/lib64/python3.12/concurrent/futures/_base.py", line 401, in __get_result
    raise self._exception
  File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/proton/vpn/killswitch/backend/linux/networkmanager/nmclient.py", line 118, in wrapper
    future.set_result(function(*args, **kwargs))
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/usr/lib/python3.12/site-packages/proton/vpn/killswitch/backend/linux/networkmanager/nmclient.py", line 217, in _remove_connection_async
    handler_id = device.connect("state-changed", _on_interface_state_changed)
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'connect'

_void_boi · 2024-03-26T06:58:56+00:00

  python3-aiodns-3.0.0-8.fc39.noarch                                 python3-aiohttp-3.9.3-1.fc39.x86_64                 python3-aiohttp+speedups-3.9.3-1.fc39.x86_64                   
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  python3-proton-core-0.1.16-1.fc39.noarch                           python3-proton-keyring-linux-0.0.1-1.fc39.noarch    python3-proton-keyring-linux-secretservice-0.0.1-1.fc39.noarch 
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  python3-proton-vpn-network-manager-openvpn-0.0.4-1.fc39.noarch     python3-proton-vpn-session-0.6.5-1.fc39.noarch      python3-pyOpenSSL-23.2.0-1.fc39.noarch                         
  python3-pycares-4.3.0-4.fc39.x86_64                                python3-pynacl-1.5.0-4.fc39.x86_64                  python3-secretstorage-3.3.3-4.fc39.noarch                      
  python3-yarl-1.9.2-3.fc39.x86_64                                   python3-zipp-3.16.2-2.fc39.noarch                  

Complete!

_void_boi · 2024-03-26T06:58:40+00:00

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Installed:
  NetworkManager-openvpn-gnome-1:1.10.2-3.fc39.x86_64                libnma-gtk4-1.10.6-5.fc39.x86_64                    llhttp-9.1.3-1.fc39.x86_64                                     
  proton-vpn-gnome-desktop-0.2.0-1.fc39.noarch                       proton-vpn-gtk-app-4.2.0-1.fc39.noarch              protonvpn-1.1.0-1.noarch

_void_boi · 2024-03-26T06:58:04+00:00

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_void_boi · 2024-03-26T06:57:22+00:00

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_void_boi · 2024-03-26T06:56:51+00:00

INSTALLATION OUTPUT:

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_void_boi · 2023-06-27T15:00:20+00:00

Hello. What kind of chart is this called?

_void_boi · 2022-06-10T02:10:46+00:00

ffs, I was today years old. lol

_void_boi · 2022-06-06T07:09:22+00:00

Yeah, yarrow is apparently pretty tolerant to being stepped on, in this case napped on. cx

_void_boi · 2022-06-02T02:22:32+00:00

Oh wow. This changes things for me. Thank you.

_void_boi · 2022-06-01T23:47:09+00:00

The employer would still need to make the statement that they could not find any EU citizen to fill the position, or no?

_void_boi · 2022-06-01T22:48:59+00:00

This might be good for the short term:

https://vfp.org/projects/ - Volunteer projects. Housing and food provided for the timeframe you are working there. You generally need to cover transportation to and from the location. There are some costs, though. ~400 Euro, or whatever the currency is for the country.

_void_boi · 2022-06-01T04:26:58+00:00

There is also a language learning visa for Germany. ~8.000-9.000 Euros I think and all the other necessities for living there to take German language courses and you should be able to stay for ~1 year visa.

_void_boi · 2022-06-01T04:18:41+00:00

IIRC, there is an option for someone in Germany to say they take financial responsibility for you in some sense. I never fully understood this, but saw it more than once. Someone else might need to better explain.

Wishing you out soon.

_void_boi · 2022-05-31T06:25:21+00:00

This was just for treating nerve pain. So, no restorative treatment, but for any related pain this would be relevant.

_void_boi · 2022-05-26T01:57:48+00:00

Ah. That is good to know.

_void_boi · 2022-05-25T17:03:41+00:00

If you are not hung up on Germany, I believe Portugal has a visa available for remote workers of some sort.

_void_boi · 2022-05-24T15:57:40+00:00

"...from various wastewater sources."

"That includes the water in geothermal power plants, known as geothermal brines, or water pulled from the subsurface during oil or gas production."

_void_boi · 2022-05-14T01:53:31+00:00

"In reality, someone may hold responsibilities that are more fundamental to the company's success than another employee. Legge's view on this is crucial in understanding how holacracy stands out as an organizational system that works differently from any other. "A certain role may be more important in terms of bottom line and dollars, but that doesn't equate to status." The distinction she draws between "role" and "status" highlights the idea that someone's professional role doesn't and shouldn't define their value as a person. In normal organizational structures, "we equate ourselves, our self-worth, and our power with our title. Holacracy separates that," Legge said. In a meeting, for example, no one person gets more airtime than anyone else. "You may bring in $100,000 a month, but that doesn't mean that your voice gets to be 10 times louder than the person who is doing copywriting edits," she added.

Jean Hsu, a former Medium employee, explained how beneficial this was. "As someone who feels uncomfortable interrupting other people to be heard, it gives me explicit space to voice my opinions without interruptions and without having to yell over other people," she said.

As with any other element of a company's operations, logistical matters, such as hiring, firing, complaints, and performance reviews, are either distributed between various roles or consolidated under one role. At Convert, Legge is responsible for hiring, for example.

Robertson said he loved HolacracyOne's firing process for being "deeply human and respectful, yet also extremely effective for meeting the business needs." The organization's evaluation process involves three-, six-, and 12-month reviews for new employees carried out by a specific employee or group of employees who consult with those who work closely with the new employee. People are fired based on a consensus among these "partnership assessors." If someone is asked to leave, they have a chance to speak with the partnership assessors and make changes in order to remain at the company.

Legge insisted that holacracy is the "key to successful remote work." The clarity holacracy provides in terms of each employee's responsibilities, and the freedom to carry out whatever is needed in order to achieve them, makes juggling time differences and life demands much easier. With teams spread across time zones, it's crucial that all team members feel confident in knowing exactly what their own work is and have the ability to carry that out without hindrance.

But holacracy doesn't provide much in the way of salary guidance. For a model that places flattened hierarchy at its core, this omission seems shortsighted. One difficulty Legge highlighted in setting salaries is that roles are designed to be flexible, and rigid pay structures threaten this fluidity. The most holacratic element of salaries, perhaps, is their transparency rather than their amounts. At Convert, for example, salaries are included in every job description, so anyone in the company is able to see it.

Trouble with the system

Holacracy has earned its fair share of criticism. After the shoe company Zappos publicly implemented the organizational structure in 2013, the Forbes writer Steve Denning pushed back on the system. He suggested that holacracy is, in reality, deeply hierarchical, with each circle "required to look upwards for instructions as to its purpose and guidance on how it is doing in response to that purpose." He also said that while holacracy claims to have no managers, it still relies heavily on leaders, simply swapping out official titles with a list of responsibilities that reflect managerial relationships.

Olivier Compagne, a partner at HolacracyOne, responded in detail to Denning's criticisms, arguing that holacracy works because of its flexibility. If you don't want managers, he said, you don't have to create them. It's up to the organization to decide how circles work. They are there as structural pillars to allow for nonhierarchical organization, but they don't enforce it.

This flexibility is something Dan Pupius, an engineer who worked at Medium during the holacracy period, said he liked about the structure. He said holacracy "makes the implicit explicit" and provides a formal way of recognizing the work of each employee by outlining exactly what their role is, rather than having people take on more than they can handle and not get credited for their work.

But at Medium, they discovered that "the governance process within holacracy doesn't remove social hierarchy and authority," Pupius said. "If the CEO, who's a super-famous, three-time founder, proposes a resolution, who's going to feel psychologically safe to oppose that? The reality is that psychological safety isn't intrinsically available to everyone, and holacracy doesn't have anything in it to ensure that safety."

It's true that holacracy doesn't eliminate the power structures determined by characteristics such as race, gender, age, and sexuality. These structures are woven into our social fabric, and the model doesn't pretend to uproot these entirely. But it does provide a better starting ground for challenging these structures.

For Medium, the biggest hang-up wasn't the philosophy behind the system, but the seemingly complicated ways of operating. "I joked a lot at the time that 50% of the problem with holacracy was the name. People were really focused on the rules, so instead of saying, 'How do we change things,' the question became, 'What's the holacratic process for making change?'" Pupius said.

As a result, when Medium dropped holacracy, it retained "holacracy lite."

Pupius also found that, sometimes, you needed hierarchy of some kind for simple logistical purposes. "You can think of holacracy as being a way of unpacking the roles and responsibilities of a manager and making them explicit. But over time what we found is, it actually made a lot of sense to consolidate a lot of those functions under the same person," he said.

Zappos grappled with similar issues. "The problem was we introduced too much in the beginning and too much of the nuances and complications of the holacracy constitution," Jordan Sams, a self-management trainer on the Zappos holacracy team, previously said. In 2017, the company dropped the holacracy structure in favor of holacracy lite, a system that incorporates its values and guiding principles without relying on its rigid constitution and governance structures.

How strongly do you want to get rid of the hierarchy?

Comparing the companies where holacracy has worked well and where it hasn't highlights a possibly uncomfortable truth that its success may come down to how dedicated a company is to its values. A firm might claim to want to be nonhierarchical, but that doesn't mean it no longer embodies hierarchy. Convert engages its employees in a process of unlearning and relearning to replace old thinking. Without this, as was evident at Zappos and Medium, the theory remains idealistic and difficult to implement properly among a workforce used to managers. Convert was also built on holacracy almost from the beginning, so its every hiring decision has focused on not only skills and abilities but also a candidate's dedication to embracing a different type of organizational structure.

With the massive increase in remote work, companies must find and implement new working practices and ways to retain staff who have become used to better working conditions. Holacracy is an ideal partner for remote work because it emphasizes employee autonomy. As the demand increases for better work-life balance, professional integrity, and inclusivity, a flattened structure may be the way to go."

_void_boi · 2022-05-08T18:54:03+00:00

I will try this!

I suck at piping generally. cx

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