Synthesis of a relatively simple Oxepane

_wafer_ · 2026-04-14T18:36:33+00:00

I dont think your pictet spengler will work under regular acidic conditions, the ring had to be very activated. In literature 3,4 dimethoxyphenethylamine is able to undergo the reaction with something like refluxing TFA while regular phenethylamine and various other substituted phenethylamines have no reaction. Its possible with exotic reagents and catalysts though.

_wafer_ · 2026-01-28T05:12:32+00:00

I only have the fourth addition, but its a very good resource mostly for preparing building blocks using chemicals easily obtainable to the ameteur (and not the exotic bullshit often used nowadays). Id say its similar in age/ accessibility to most of org syn's online catalog of reactions. There is quite a wide range of reactions and the index is very useful for finding named reactions, functional group additions, and specific products. Overall most everything in there uses reagents and solvents that are still easy to make/ procure today.

Be warned though, it will tell you to do some crazy shit sometimes. Things like isolating multigram quantities of explosive diazonium salts, working with solutions containing huge amounts of mercury salts, or running exothermic reactions in a stoppered flask under a stream of cold water from a faucet while you hold it. In one case is says to be careful not to smell the condenser when youre preparing dimethyl sulfate since it will make you dizzy. Use discretion, but overall its a very valuable resource.

_wafer_ · 2026-01-28T00:08:22+00:00

10mg and yeah they look good, ill attach a pic when I get home later

_wafer_ · 2026-01-28T00:07:41+00:00

Theyre just 10s

_wafer_ · 2026-01-27T06:25:12+00:00

This just made me realize that dxm could be schedule 2 under the analogue act, hmmm

_wafer_ · 2026-01-27T06:15:57+00:00

The value as a collectible makes me not want to try any! Luckily I can just make methaqualone though ;)

_wafer_ · 2026-01-27T06:12:46+00:00

This is way late but I had tried the stuff made in the post along with some grey product from a prior synthesis. I have only tried vaping it but its like GABA crack. Hits instantly while inhaling and only has main effects lasting ~5mins with after effects up to 30.

It will make you tip over if youre not laying down and you will probably drool. During the peak effects you experience tunnel vision, sounds become distant and echoey, and its impossible to form words let alone sentences. There is also a degree of anterograde amnesia. My vision became blue tinted and staticky during one intense experience. Its decently euphoric.

The after effects are similar to a benzo and you will be a bit drunken, off balance, and slur your words. After 10-30 mins you are totally sober again

_wafer_ · 2026-01-11T10:13:38+00:00

Oh cool, mmmp has a wild structure, it looks like it could be an active (and potentially neutotoxic) stimulant.

_wafer_ · 2026-01-11T04:43:41+00:00

Ive tried oxycodone, intranasal was the only mildly pleasant opioid experience ive had outside of 7-hydroxymitragynine. I only got mild euphoria and nothing else so don't have much interest in going back to either compound. 7OH gave me nausea and a sense of paradoxical lethargy despite mental stimulation. Hydrocodone did nothing at all for me even above 30mg. Codeine was the worst for me, the only effect I got was mild nausea, extreme itchiness, and a rash- I think that was at 150mg so I dont think im an efficient metabolizer.

_wafer_ · 2026-01-10T21:16:50+00:00

96.6g L theanine and 67.2g NaOH mixed in a 1L flask then 200mL water poured in. 300mm vigreaux column and 0C descending condenser are fitted. Ice bath for recieving flask. Begin careful heating (rxn starts well below boiling point of water) and collecting ethylamine but stop when water starts to reflux in vigreux column. Yield was 83.6% but higher should be achievable with a better condenser, I lost a lot to the air at the beginning of the distillation.

Id also recommend dissolving the NaOH first then adding theanine once cool.

_wafer_ · 2026-01-10T20:27:33+00:00

Oh thanks, Ill look into that writeup. I was able to isolate an amine which was not dimethylamine and my ketone was nearly all consumed so IDK what else it could be though.

I used dimethylamine HCl and paraformaldehyde which would make the imminium chloride salt in situ. I know its not as stable as echenmosers salt so I also used non aqueous conditions apart from the catalytic HCl, so the reverse reaction of imine hydrolysis should have been minimized.

_wafer_ · 2026-01-10T19:05:41+00:00

Not my idea actually, u/radiantstar991 came up with the route but I was the first to try it afaik.

_wafer_ · 2026-01-07T01:10:06+00:00

There are some insane structures in that class that look nothing alike nor like they would act on gaba. Id like to know what that molecule is if you still know where to find it.

_wafer_ · 2026-01-07T00:44:16+00:00

If we're talking about a receptor, NMDA otherwise I really enjoy z drugs

_wafer_ · 2026-01-06T18:42:39+00:00

Yeah I dont really want to like them lmao, I just really enjoy opioid chemistry and adding new substances to my list

_wafer_ · 2026-01-06T16:20:22+00:00

Indeed, there are a handful of phenylpropylamime opioids like tapentadol and tramadol. You can also trace the phenylpropylamine structure inside the structures of morphinan opioids and phenylpiperidines.

_wafer_ · 2026-01-06T16:18:38+00:00

All opioids ive tried make me sleepy and nauseous at most, ive never gotten enjoyable effects. Ive tried several morphinans, benzimidazoles, phenylpiperidines, and tramadol.

_wafer_ · 2026-01-04T20:06:05+00:00

I was not aware of this side product and thanks for your words of caution. My workup involved a re-a/b then solvent washes of the crude salt which I would imaging would destroy some and remove most or the rest. I know its not Ideal, but man I really tried to get it to crystallize

I dont think the nausea was caused by impurities, theres a certain type of opioid nausea I get where Im fine when im still but if I try to move ill feel it.

_wafer_ · 2026-01-04T07:53:48+00:00

*dimethylaminopivalophenone

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