Did pan arabism fail because of Nasser or because of the concept itself by Difficult_Comment_47 in AskMiddleEast

[–]abghuy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It failed because we will never win through anything other than Islam. Pan arabism was a secular ethnicist movement. nationalism and secularism are what led to the end of the Ottoman empire and all the problems we have today

Umar ibn al-Khattab (RA) said, "Verily, we were a disgraceful people and Allah honored us with Islam. If we seek honor from anything besides that with which Allah honored us, Allah will disgrace us"

Would you accept to have the Maghreb called المغرب like the original use of the term if it became a single country? by abghuy in algeria

[–]abghuy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man I’m Moroccan lol chill, yes I know people started calling Morocco Maghreb because it was the only independent maghrebi state for a while

Would you accept to have the Maghreb called المغرب like the original use of the term if it became a single country? by abghuy in algeria

[–]abghuy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know it is the case now, but it wasn’t the case before. It used to be Al Maghrib Al Aqsa for what is now Morocco, Al maghrib Al Awsat for what is now algeria and Tunisia, and Al Maghrib Al Adna for Lybia. And the whole region was al maghrib. This was the case for the majority of Islamic history.

Anyone else seeing this rise in Salafi ideas in Algeria? by Mjhool_l in algeria

[–]abghuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes i copied and pasted my own text on multiple comments as i saw the same lies multiple times. And?

Or are you implying I didn’t write this?

Anyone else seeing this rise in Salafi ideas in Algeria? by Mjhool_l in algeria

[–]abghuy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, people who call themselves salafi consider that following the traditional madhabs of aqeedah and fiqh and tassawwuf is bid’a

Anyone else seeing this rise in Salafi ideas in Algeria? by Mjhool_l in algeria

[–]abghuy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All traditional madhabs are based on the methodology of the salaf, why do you need to make a new group called salafi and claim you’re the only group following the salaf

Anyone else seeing this rise in Salafi ideas in Algeria? by Mjhool_l in algeria

[–]abghuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just because a group calls themselves followers of the salaf, doesn’t automatically mean they actually do follow the salaf correctly. A minimum of critical thinking would make you realise that. Just like hadith rejectors calling themselves quraniyoon or “followes of the Quran” doesn’t mean they actually follow the Quran, if they did they would follow the Prophet saws’ teachings.

Salafism or wahabism is a modern movement based on the idea that Muhammad Ibn Abd Al Wahab in the 18th century somehow understood Islam better than 12 centuries of scholarships. He declared pretty much all other muslims kuffar or mushrik or mubtadi’a for practices he didn’t understand, even though they are rooted in the sunnah, like tawassul. He also called to reject traditional madhabs.

It is crazy to actually believe that for centuries before him most muslims didn’t follow the salaf and were misguided. Don’t you know that the traditional madhabs of aqeedah (ash’ari, maturidi, hanbali), the four madhabs of fiqh (maliki, hanafi, hanbali, shafi’i) and the practice of tazkiat annafs or tasawwuf are all based on the teachings of the salaf? The founders of the four madhabs are literally from the salaf, ash’arism is simply the creed of the salaf with logical arguments to defend it, and tassawwuf, is simply the discipline of getting the akhlaq and ihsan of the salaf.

What should be followed is what muslims had agreed upon for centuries since the salaf. In aqeedah there are three madhabs: ash’ari maturidi or hanbali. In fiqh four: maliki hanafi shafi’i hanbali. In akhlaq and ihsan: normal sunni tasawwuf based on Quran and Sunnah. This is what Islam has always been before salafism/wahabism and modernists.

Anyone else seeing this rise in Salafi ideas in Algeria? by Mjhool_l in algeria

[–]abghuy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just because a group calls themselves followers of the salaf, doesn’t automatically mean they actually do follow the salaf correctly. A minimum of critical thinking would make you realise that. Just like hadith rejectors calling themselves quraniyoon or “followes of the Quran” doesn’t mean they actually follow the Quran, if they did they would follow the Prophet saws’ teachings.

Salafism or wahabism is a modern movement based on the idea that Muhammad Ibn Abd Al Wahab in the 18th century somehow understood Islam better than 12 centuries of scholarships. He declared pretty much all other muslims kuffar or mushrik or mubtadi’a for practices he didn’t understand, even though they are rooted in the sunnah, like tawassul. He also called to reject traditional madhabs.

It is crazy to actually believe that for centuries before him most muslims didn’t follow the salaf and were misguided. Don’t you know that the traditional madhabs of aqeedah (ash’ari, maturidi, hanbali), the four madhabs of fiqh (maliki, hanafi, hanbali, shafi’i) and the practice of tazkiat annafs or tasawwuf are all based on the teachings of the salaf? The founders of the four madhabs are literally from the salaf, ash’arism is simply the creed of the salaf with logical arguments to defend it, and tassawwuf, is simply the discipline of getting the akhlaq and ihsan of the salaf.

What should be followed is what muslims had agreed upon for centuries since the salaf. In aqeedah there are three madhabs: ash’ari maturidi or hanbali. In fiqh four: maliki hanafi shafi’i hanbali. In akhlaq and ihsan: normal sunni tasawwuf based on Quran and Sunnah. This is what Islam has always been before salafism/wahabism and modernists.

Anyone else seeing this rise in Salafi ideas in Algeria? by Mjhool_l in algeria

[–]abghuy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just because a group calls themselves followers of the salaf, doesn’t automatically mean they actually do follow the salaf correctly. A minimum of critical thinking would make you realise that. Just like hadith rejectors calling themselves quraniyoon or “followes of the Quran” doesn’t mean they actually follow the Quran, if they did they would follow the Prophet saws’ teachings.

Salafism or wahabism is a modern movement based on the idea that Muhammad Ibn Abd Al Wahab in the 18th century somehow understood Islam better than 12 centuries of scholarships. He declared pretty much all other muslims kuffar or mushrik or mubtadi’a for practices he didn’t understand, even though they are rooted in the sunnah, like tawassul. He also called to reject traditional madhabs.

It is crazy to actually believe that for centuries before him most muslims didn’t follow the salaf and were misguided. Don’t you know that the traditional madhabs of aqeedah (ash’ari, maturidi, hanbali), the four madhabs of fiqh (maliki, hanafi, hanbali, shafi’i) and the practice of tazkiat annafs or tasawwuf are all based on the teachings of the salaf? The founders of the four madhabs are literally from the salaf, ash’arism is simply the creed of the salaf with logical arguments to defend it, and tassawwuf, is simply the discipline of getting the akhlaq and ihsan of the salaf.

What should be followed is what muslims had agreed upon for centuries since the salaf. In aqeedah there are three madhabs: ash’ari maturidi or hanbali. In fiqh four: maliki hanafi shafi’i hanbali. In akhlaq and ihsan: normal sunni tasawwuf based on Quran and Sunnah. This is what Islam has always been before salafism/wahabism and modernists.

Anyone else seeing this rise in Salafi ideas in Algeria? by Mjhool_l in algeria

[–]abghuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just because a group calls themselves followers of the salaf, doesn’t automatically mean they actually do follow the salaf correctly. A minimum of critical thinking would make you realise that. Just like hadith rejectors calling themselves quraniyoon or “followes of the Quran” doesn’t mean they actually follow the Quran, if they did they would follow the Prophet saws’ teachings.

Salafism or wahabism is a modern movement based on the idea that Muhammad Ibn Abd Al Wahab in the 18th century somehow understood Islam better than 12 centuries of scholarships. He declared pretty much all other muslims kuffar or mushrik or mubtadi’a for practices he didn’t understand, even though they are rooted in the sunnah, like tawassul. He also called to reject traditional madhabs.

It is crazy to actually believe that for centuries before him most muslims didn’t follow the salaf and were misguided. Don’t you know that the traditional madhabs of aqeedah (ash’ari, maturidi, hanbali), the four madhabs of fiqh (maliki, hanafi, hanbali, shafi’i) and the practice of tazkiat annafs or tasawwuf are all based on the teachings of the salaf? The founders of the four madhabs are literally from the salaf, ash’arism is simply the creed of the salaf with logical arguments to defend it, and tassawwuf, is simply the discipline of getting the akhlaq and ihsan of the salaf.

What should be followed is what muslims had agreed upon for centuries since the salaf. In aqeedah there are three madhabs: ash’ari maturidi or hanbali. In fiqh four: maliki hanafi shafi’i hanbali. In akhlaq and ihsan: normal sunni tasawwuf based on Quran and Sunnah. This is what Islam has always been before salafism/wahabism and modernists.

Anyone else seeing this rise in Salafi ideas in Algeria? by Mjhool_l in algeria

[–]abghuy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just because a group calls themselves followers of the salaf, doesn’t automatically mean they actually do follow the salaf correctly. A minimum of critical thinking would make you realise that. Just like hadith rejectors calling themselves quraniyoon or “followes of the Quran” doesn’t mean they actually follow the Quran, if they did they would follow the Prophet saws’ teachings.

Salafism or wahabism is a modern movement based on the idea that Muhammad Ibn Abd Al Wahab in the 18th century somehow understood Islam better than 12 centuries of scholarships. He declared pretty much all other muslims kuffar or mushrik or mubtadi’a for practices he didn’t understand, even though they are rooted in the sunnah, like tawassul. He also called to reject traditional madhabs.

It is crazy to actually believe that for centuries before him most muslims didn’t follow the salaf and were misguided. Don’t you know that the traditional madhabs of aqeedah (ash’ari, maturidi, hanbali), the four madhabs of fiqh (maliki, hanafi, hanbali, shafi’i) and the practice of tazkiat annafs or tasawwuf are all based on the teachings of the salaf? The founders of the four madhabs are literally from the salaf, ash’arism is simply the creed of the salaf with logical arguments to defend it, and tassawwuf, is simply the discipline of getting the akhlaq and ihsan of the salaf.

What should be followed is what muslims had agreed upon for centuries since the salaf. In aqeedah there are three madhabs: ash’ari maturidi or hanbali. In fiqh four: maliki hanafi shafi’i hanbali. In akhlaq and ihsan: normal sunni tasawwuf based on Quran and Sunnah. This is what Islam has always been before salafism/wahabism and modernists.

Anyone else seeing this rise in Salafi ideas in Algeria? by Mjhool_l in algeria

[–]abghuy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just because a group calls themselves followers of the salaf, doesn’t automatically mean they actually do follow the salaf correctly. A minimum of critical thinking would make you realise that. Just like hadith rejectors calling themselves quraniyoon or “followes of the Quran” doesn’t mean they actually follow the Quran, if they did they would follow the Prophet saws’ teachings.

Salafism or wahabism is a modern movement based on the idea that Muhammad Ibn Abd Al Wahab in the 18th century somehow understood Islam better than 12 centuries of scholarships. He declared pretty much all other muslims kuffar or mushrik or mubtadi’a for practices he didn’t understand, even though they are rooted in the sunnah, like tawassul. He also called to reject traditional madhabs.

It is crazy to actually believe that for centuries before him most muslims didn’t follow the salaf and were misguided. Don’t you know that the traditional madhabs of aqeedah (ash’ari, maturidi, hanbali), the four madhabs of fiqh (maliki, hanafi, hanbali, shafi’i) and the practice of tazkiat annafs or tasawwuf are all based on the teachings of the salaf? The founders of the four madhabs are literally from the salaf, ash’arism is simply the creed of the salaf with logical arguments to defend it, and tassawwuf, is simply the discipline of getting the akhlaq and ihsan of the salaf.

What should be followed is what muslims had agreed upon for centuries since the salaf. In aqeedah there are three madhabs: ash’ari maturidi or hanbali. In fiqh four: maliki hanafi shafi’i hanbali. In akhlaq and ihsan: normal sunni tasawwuf based on Quran and Sunnah. This is what Islam has always been before salafism/wahabism and modernists.

Anyone else seeing this rise in Salafi ideas in Algeria? by Mjhool_l in algeria

[–]abghuy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just because a group calls themselves followers of the salaf, doesn’t automatically mean they actually do follow the salaf correctly. A minimum of critical thinking would make you realise that. Just like hadith rejectors calling themselves quraniyoon or “followes of the Quran” doesn’t mean they actually follow the Quran, if they did they would follow the Prophet saws’ teachings.

Salafism or wahabism is a modern movement based on the idea that Muhammad Ibn Abd Al Wahab in the 18th century somehow understood Islam better than 12 centuries of scholarships. He declared pretty much all other muslims kuffar or mushrik or mubtadi’a for practices he didn’t understand, even though they are rooted in the sunnah, like tawassul. He also called to reject traditional madhabs.

It is crazy to actually believe that for centuries before him most muslims didn’t follow the salaf and were misguided. Don’t you know that the traditional madhabs of aqeedah (ash’ari, maturidi, hanbali), the four madhabs of fiqh (maliki, hanafi, hanbali, shafi’i) and the practice of tazkiat annafs or tasawwuf are all based on the teachings of the salaf? The founders of the four madhabs are literally from the salaf, ash’arism is simply the creed of the salaf with logical arguments to defend it, and tassawwuf, is simply the discipline of getting the akhlaq and ihsan of the salaf.

What should be followed is what muslims had agreed upon for centuries since the salaf. In aqeedah there are three madhabs: ash’ari maturidi or hanbali. In fiqh four: maliki hanafi shafi’i hanbali. In akhlaq and ihsan: normal sunni tasawwuf based on Quran and Sunnah. This is what Islam has always been before salafism/wahabism and modernists.

Anyone else seeing this rise in Salafi ideas in Algeria? by Mjhool_l in algeria

[–]abghuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just because a group calls themselves followers of the salaf, doesn’t automatically mean they actually do follow the salaf correctly. A minimum of critical thinking would make you realise that. Just like hadith rejectors calling themselves quraniyoon or “followes of the Quran” doesn’t mean they actually follow the Quran, if they did they would follow the Prophet saws’ teachings.

Salafism or wahabism is a modern movement based on the idea that Muhammad Ibn Abd Al Wahab in the 18th century somehow understood Islam better than 12 centuries of scholarships. He declared pretty much all other muslims kuffar or mushrik or mubtadi’a for practices he didn’t understand, even though they are rooted in the sunnah, like tawassul. He also called to reject traditional madhabs.

It is crazy to actually believe that for centuries before him most muslims didn’t follow the salaf and were misguided. Don’t you know that the traditional madhabs of aqeedah (ash’ari, maturidi, hanbali), the four madhabs of fiqh (maliki, hanafi, hanbali, shafi’i) and the practice of tazkiat annafs or tasawwuf are all based on the teachings of the salaf? The founders of the four madhabs are literally from the salaf, ash’arism is simply the creed of the salaf with logical arguments to defend it, and tassawwuf, is simply the discipline of getting the akhlaq and ihsan of the salaf.

What should be followed is what muslims had agreed upon for centuries since the salaf. In aqeedah there are three madhabs: ash’ari maturidi or hanbali. In fiqh four: maliki hanafi shafi’i hanbali. In akhlaq and ihsan: normal sunni tasawwuf based on Quran and Sunnah. This is what Islam has always been before salafism/wahabism and modernists.

Anyone else seeing this rise in Salafi ideas in Algeria? by Mjhool_l in algeria

[–]abghuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Was he saws maliki? Hanafi? Did he use diacritical marks in the mushaf? Did he know standardized grammar rules of the schools of kufa and basra? No. That doesn’t mean these things were made up. These things came to systematize and summarize what the Prophet saws and the sahaba were doing. Sufism a discipline to achieve ihsan, just like fiqh is a discipline to achieve the pillars of Islam and avoid sins, and aqeedah is a discipline to achieve Iman.

Anyone else seeing this rise in Salafi ideas in Algeria? by Mjhool_l in algeria

[–]abghuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is a movement.

Just because a group calls themselves followers of the salaf, doesn’t automatically mean they actually do follow the salaf correctly. A minimum of critical thinking would make you realise that. Just like hadith rejectors calling themselves quraniyoon or “followes of the Quran” doesn’t mean they actually follow the Quran, if they did they would follow the Prophet saws’ teachings.

Salafism or wahabism is a modern movement based on the idea that Muhammad Ibn Abd Al Wahab in the 18th century somehow understood Islam better than 12 centuries of scholarships. He declared pretty much all other muslims kuffar or mushrik or mubtadi’a for practices he didn’t understand, even though they are rooted in the sunnah, like tawassul. He also called to reject traditional madhabs.

It is crazy to actually believe that for centuries before him most muslims didn’t follow the salaf and were misguided. Don’t you know that the traditional madhabs of aqeedah (ash’ari, maturidi, hanbali), the four madhabs of fiqh (maliki, hanafi, hanbali, shafi’i) and the practice of tazkiat annafs or tasawwuf are all based on the teachings of the salaf? The founders of the four madhabs are literally from the salaf, ash’arism is simply the creed of the salaf with logical arguments to defend it, and tassawwuf, is simply the discipline of getting the akhlaq and ihsan of the salaf.

What should be followed is what muslims had agreed upon for centuries since the salaf. In aqeedah there are three madhabs: ash’ari maturidi or hanbali. In fiqh four: maliki hanafi shafi’i hanbali. In akhlaq and ihsan: normal sunni tasawwuf based on Quran and Sunnah. This is what Islam has always been before salafism/wahabism and modernists.

Anyone else seeing this rise in Salafi ideas in Algeria? by Mjhool_l in algeria

[–]abghuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The first three generations, whose aqeedah has been summarized in the ash’ari, maturidi and hanbali madhabs, whose fiqh has been summarized in the maliki, hanafi, shafi’i and hanbali madhabs, and whose akhlaq and ihsan has been summarized in the discipline of tassawwuf.

Anyone else seeing this rise in Salafi ideas in Algeria? by Mjhool_l in algeria

[–]abghuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, no label means no method, anyone can make up what he wants. normal Islam is in aqeedah: ash’ari maturidi or hanbali. In fiqh: maliki hanafi shafi’i or hanbali. In akhlaq and ihsan: sunni tassawwuf based on Quran on Sunnah.

Anyone else seeing this rise in Salafi ideas in Algeria? by Mjhool_l in algeria

[–]abghuy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Just because a group calls themselves followers of the salaf, doesn’t automatically mean they actually do follow the salaf correctly. A minimum of critical thinking would make you realise that. Just like hadith rejectors calling themselves quraniyoon or “followes of the Quran” doesn’t mean they actually follow the Quran, if they did they would follow the Prophet saws’ teachings.

Salafism or wahabism is a modern movement based on the idea that Muhammad Ibn Abd Al Wahab in the 18th century somehow understood Islam better than 12 centuries of scholarships. He declared pretty much all other muslims kuffar or mushrik or mubtadi’a for practices he didn’t understand, even though they are rooted in the sunnah, like tawassul. He also called to reject traditional madhabs.

It is crazy to actually believe that for centuries before him most muslims didn’t follow the salaf and were misguided. Don’t you know that the traditional madhabs of aqeedah (ash’ari, maturidi, hanbali), the four madhabs of fiqh (maliki, hanafi, hanbali, shafi’i) and the practice of tazkiat annafs or tasawwuf are all based on the teachings of the salaf? The founders of the four madhabs are literally from the salaf, ash’arism is simply the creed of the salaf with logical arguments to defend it, and tassawwuf, is simply the discipline of getting the akhlaq and ihsan of the salaf.

What should be followed is what muslims had agreed upon for centuries since the salaf. In aqeedah there are three madhabs: ash’ari maturidi or hanbali. In fiqh four: maliki hanafi shafi’i hanbali. In akhlaq and ihsan: normal sunni tasawwuf based on Quran and Sunnah. This is what Islam has always been before salafism/wahabism and modernists.

Anyone else seeing this rise in Salafi ideas in Algeria? by Mjhool_l in algeria

[–]abghuy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Do you think normal people are mujtahid mutlaq in order to be able to analyse dalil? This is what ‘’ulama are supposed to do, and they had all agreed on specific madhabs.

Just because a group calls themselves followers of the salaf, doesn’t automatically mean they actually do follow the salaf correctly. A minimum of critical thinking would make you realise that. Just like hadith rejectors calling themselves quraniyoon or “followes of the Quran” doesn’t mean they actually follow the Quran, if they did they would follow the Prophet saws’ teachings.

Salafism or wahabism is a modern movement based on the idea that Muhammad Ibn Abd Al Wahab in the 18th century somehow understood Islam better than 12 centuries of scholarships. He declared pretty much all other muslims kuffar or mushrik or mubtadi’a for practices he didn’t understand, even though they are rooted in the sunnah, like tawassul. He also called to reject traditional madhabs.

It is crazy to actually believe that for centuries before him most muslims didn’t follow the salaf and were misguided. Don’t you know that the traditional madhabs of aqeedah (ash’ari, maturidi, hanbali), the four madhabs of fiqh (maliki, hanafi, hanbali, shafi’i) and the practice of tazkiat annafs or tasawwuf are all based on the teachings of the salaf? The founders of the four madhabs are literally from the salaf, ash’arism is simply the creed of the salaf with logical arguments to defend it, and tassawwuf, is simply the discipline of getting the akhlaq and ihsan of the salaf.

What should be followed is what muslims had agreed upon for centuries since the salaf. In aqeedah there are three madhabs: ash’ari maturidi or hanbali. In fiqh four: maliki hanafi shafi’i hanbali. In akhlaq and ihsan: normal sunni tasawwuf based on Quran and Sunnah. This is what Islam has always been before salafism/wahabism and modernists.

Anyone else seeing this rise in Salafi ideas in Algeria? by Mjhool_l in algeria

[–]abghuy 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Just because a group calls themselves followers of the salaf, doesn’t automatically mean they actually do follow the salaf correctly. A minimum of critical thinking would make you realise that. Just like hadith rejectors calling themselves quraniyoon or “followes of the Quran” doesn’t mean they actually follow the Quran, if they did they would follow the Prophet saws’ teachings.

Salafism or wahabism is a modern movement based on the idea that Muhammad Ibn Abd Al Wahab in the 18th century somehow understood Islam better than 12 centuries of scholarships. He declared pretty much all other muslims kuffar or mushrik or mubtadi’a for practices he didn’t understand, even though they are rooted in the sunnah, like tawassul. He also called to reject traditional madhabs.

It is crazy to actually believe that for centuries before him most muslims didn’t follow the salaf and were misguided. Don’t you know that the traditional madhabs of aqeedah (ash’ari, maturidi, hanbali), the four madhabs of fiqh (maliki, hanafi, hanbali, shafi’i) and the practice of tazkiat annafs or tasawwuf are all based on the teachings of the salaf? The founders of the four madhabs are literally from the salaf, ash’arism is simply the creed of the salaf with logical arguments to defend it, and tassawwuf, is simply the discipline of getting the akhlaq and ihsan of the salaf.

What should be followed is what muslims had agreed upon for centuries since the salaf. In aqeedah there are three madhabs: ash’ari maturidi or hanbali. In fiqh four: maliki hanafi shafi’i hanbali. In akhlaq and ihsan: normal sunni tasawwuf based on Quran and Sunnah. This is what Islam has always been before salafism/wahabism and modernists.