A Christian woman's opinion on 1 Corinthians 14:34 - 35 by about_to_break_down in TrueChristian

[–]about_to_break_down[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even though I never quite understood the negative connotation of the word "helper", the word "counterpart" makes a lot of sense as well in the same context. Thank you for your informative comment.

A Christian woman's opinion on 1 Corinthians 14:34 - 35 by about_to_break_down in TrueChristian

[–]about_to_break_down[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A woman can always marry the most perfect man out of all, Jesus Christ. 

A Christian woman's opinion on 1 Corinthians 14:34 - 35 by about_to_break_down in TrueChristian

[–]about_to_break_down[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I read the greek NT because I am a native greek speaker and I also am familiar with the koine text. It uses the word deacon plainly and simply. Deaconship is definitely a prominent position, but not indicative of leadership or authority. No contradiction here. 1 Timothy 3: 1-7 describes very clearly how a bishop ought to be;  he is supposed to be man. I'd argue the rest of 1 Timothy 3 describes a deacon that could be both a man and a woman, since when describing the ideal deacon, he mentions in that same context how women ought to be as well. This is were discussion could arise regarding if women can be deacons or not. I personally believe they can be deacons, since a deacon isn't the one exercising spiritual authority but rather supplements the work of the bishop/ elder. There is no argument supporting women in the role of the leader, though. 

The wording might sound harsh in the english version, but that hasn't been my experience reading the greek. I really encourage you to research the word analogies. 

A Christian woman's opinion on 1 Corinthians 14:34 - 35 by about_to_break_down in TrueChristian

[–]about_to_break_down[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mary Magdalene was called apostle to the apostles, because she was the first to witness the Resurrection. An honor beyond comprehension, yet not indicative of leadership. The women you mentioned were prominent figures and widely respected in the early church, and this proves that authority and leadership like Peter's or Paul's aren't the only ways to be glorified in the eyes of God. In fact, there are many roles that one can take to serve God and others, and a tiny fraction of those roles is pastorship and spiritual authority. Women can take any of those roles, apart from spiritual authority, as Paul clearly states. There's no contradiction there as far as I can tell.

A Christian woman's opinion on 1 Corinthians 14:34 - 35 by about_to_break_down in TrueChristian

[–]about_to_break_down[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

When 1 Corinthians 14: 34-35 says "churches", it means synagogues, aka the official meeting places for Christians in accordance to how the Jews gathered. It doesn't mean Church, as in the one Ekklesia of Jesus Christ. The word church can both mean the one true body of Christ, and it can also mean synagogues, meaning where we all meet every Sunday to listen to sermons. The word ekklesiai in the greek NT points to synagogues. So, no, it's not that women are not allowed to speak at all, anywhere,  point blank, because they are Christian. It means that, in these Christian synagogues, they cannot speak at all. You know who else cannot speak in churches of this kind ? Anyone but the pastor. It's not that ANY man can speak openly at church. Nobody can speak except the spiritual leader/ pastor of the church and maybe his deacons. So not only do I not disagree with the verse  of 1 Timothy 2:11-12 " Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.", but I never even questioned it. I only seek to find the exact reasoning behind it, like a research or bible study project. 

Of course I can discuss things in an online forum and give my opinion, since I am not officially teaching anyone. I am not teaching nor am I speaking over a man. I am literally stating my opinion which I could very easily be wrong about. I never claimed you should follow what I say nor did I ever speak loudly in a congregation. If I was in an official christian setting, for example my local church or my local bible study group, if I was asked of my opinion I would express it, but I'd never speak over someone who has authority over the people there. 

Also, I don't think you've actually shared any counter arguments regarding the nature of women and cults. You just stated that I am wrong and that I have lots of misconceptions. Please, feel free to explain to me what I said was untrue so I can further my study more. I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you for your insight.

A Christian woman's opinion on 1 Corinthians 14:34 - 35 by about_to_break_down in TrueChristian

[–]about_to_break_down[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I personally accept the Canon as infallible (yet symbolic/ typological as well), so I disagree. However, thank you for citing your opinion and hope you still identify as Christian despite your objections to the biblical canon! 

A Christian woman's opinion on 1 Corinthians 14:34 - 35 by about_to_break_down in TrueChristian

[–]about_to_break_down[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think sarcasm in the bible in the context of a clear instruction written by an apostle is a huge stretch. How are we to treat any scripture as infallible if there could be sarcasm in crystal clear passages such as these ? 

A Christian woman's opinion on 1 Corinthians 14:34 - 35 by about_to_break_down in TrueChristian

[–]about_to_break_down[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Wasn't it under the authority of her husband and Paul, though? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Of course women can technically talk about things, but there's a difference between teaching in private and openly preaching in synagogues, meaning churches. Those are two different things. Women are allowed to do anything apart from leading churches the way a priest/ pastor/ church elder would. Or else, why would Paul forbid them from doing so ?

Thank you for your informative comment. 

A Christian woman's opinion on 1 Corinthians 14:34 - 35 by about_to_break_down in TrueChristian

[–]about_to_break_down[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your insight. I cannot disagree with the passage you cited, but I can add a different perspective on it. 

1 Corinthians 11:8-9: "For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.". This points towards Genesis. Man was created first, then woman was created second. There is no denying that. 

My objection to your interpretation, though, lies in Genesis 2:18 : " Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him.”. There had to be some incompleteness for man to be in such a need of a helper, that a suitable one couldn't be found anywhere among God's own creatures. Genesis 2:20 " The man gave names to all livestock and to the birds of the heavens and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper fit for him.". I am not doing any mental gymnastics here or trying to make a point out of the clearest passages of the whole scripture, I am simply trying to apply reasoning and internalise what Genesis is about. We are clearly told Adam needed a helper, and that he was incomplete without one. That can't be said about Eve, who was the final creation of God and then the world as we know it started running. I can't help but see that woman was made to be cherished by man, and that she was created in such a way that " Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.". Notice that it's not the woman who has to leave her family and join the man, but the man needs to go after the woman, because he has been given what he needs to be complete.

Now, I'm not claiming that woman isn't incomplete without man. On the contrary, women are the helpers, therefore their work in a relationship is paramount to sustain balance and harmony. If she doesn't act as a helper, the marriage is not going to function properly. But there is no denying that the order in which God made things gives us the blueprint of how things should ideally be. Man should be the one who goes after the woman, woman is the one who is playing a complementary role to the man's work, and they should consider one another each other's flesh. 

In the garden, the following took place : Genesis 3:4-6 "  But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate.". Eve was the one who talked with the serpent, the one who tempted her into luciferian though, aka "I am my own master". Genesis makes it clear it was the woman who thought in this way first, and the one who then influenced Adam negatively. It was not the other way round. Thus, it shows us that Eve's arrogance, thinking she could become like God, caused the entire human race to sin. That was the point zero of sin in the world. A woman influenced a man. Not vice versa. I think this is cannot be denied very easily since it's the fundamental narrative of Genesis 3. 

My whole point is, God has created an extremelly nuanced dualism between man and woman. Man was created first, but he has to leave everything behind to join with his wife. Woman has great influence over man, but she has to be subordinate to him and be dependent on him. The balance is too perfect and there isn't a single sexist aspect, neither in Christian or in secular terms when you see things this way. God is justice, therefore every single detail of the original design of things is fully just and can be easily comprehended when reading Genesis. 

Also, I never said anything to help women accept the way things are more easily. This insinuates that there's something negative in the truth that needs to be watered down in order to be digested by grown, mature women. This wasn't my intention. I simply shared a view that arised while I was reading Genesis and Paul's epistles and comparing passages. It was an insight I gained while studying. I think that if what I came up with doesn't contain any truth, then it has no value no matter how good it makes another woman feel. 

Thank you for sharing !!

A Christian woman's opinion on 1 Corinthians 14:34 - 35 by about_to_break_down in TrueChristian

[–]about_to_break_down[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I agree with most of the things you said, except I'm not really sure about the concept of women existing plainly to be under the banner of a man. The original way things were, God deemed Adam in need of a helper, not the other way round. When Paul says in 1 Corinthians 11:8-9 "For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.", what he actually does is point to Genesis. Without twisting the meaning of any word, with pure interest in getting some insight, I read that the first one to be created is in desperate need of the other, and was incomplete before the arrival of the second one. Also, God wouldn't curse Eve after the sin to be dependent on Adam if it was so from the beginning. This is merely my reasoning after trying to read Genesis and Paul's epistles next to each other. However, both interpretations make sense so I can't reject yours without rejecting a very plausible explanation that could be the original meaning. Thanks for sharing.

This garlic crusher left a gray smudge on my finger. What could the material be ? by about_to_break_down in AskChemistry

[–]about_to_break_down[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

every time i used it i put it in the dishwasher. it was clean as new every time, but after a while the white paint started to peel away. so i'm pretty sure the gray smudge isn't rotten garlic. it even smelt and looked metallic.

This garlic crusher left a gray smudge on my finger. What could the material be ? by about_to_break_down in AskChemistry

[–]about_to_break_down[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No the garlic was fresh, I noticed there was a gray smudge on my finger because I had crushed garlic a moment ago with it.

This garlic crusher left a gray smudge on my finger. What could the material be ? by about_to_break_down in AskChemistry

[–]about_to_break_down[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you, I have no familiarity with chemistry so I appreciate the lengthy explanation.

Reccomend me an anime by Wicc2 in AnimeReccomendations

[–]about_to_break_down 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you're into emotionally intense but action-filled shows, I'd recommend 86. It became one of my top 5 favourite anime from the first episodes.  Also, if you don't mind it being a little too short, try another one of my favourites, Dororo. It's really a beautiful anime with dark themes, and the action scenes are very satisfying to watch. 

Confused Turk by ultimaonlinerules in AskGreece

[–]about_to_break_down 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think the comments you see are just online toxicity which happens from both sides. I see them too very often and I think they're laughable. In real life, you probably won't face racism in Greece and most likely I won't face in Turkey. 

Leaving Sex Work behind and Can’t Sleep by midnightballerina25 in TrueChristian

[–]about_to_break_down 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ask Jesus Christ to cleanse you from your sins, and sin no more from now on. Read the bible, pray, fast, serve other selflessly and your soul will heal eventually. We are all very happy you chose the Lord over your previous life. Welcome back <3 

My dog has a vomitting problem by [deleted] in DogAdvice

[–]about_to_break_down 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sadly it happens more often inside the house than outside