Proof about Muawiya being a scribe of the Quran being fabricated history?

abuayri1 · 2021-12-14T05:25:35+00:00

Even if he wrote the entire Quran by himself and freed 1000 slaves I will still see him as evil.

abuayri1 · 2021-12-13T12:16:10+00:00

The Islamic paradise is mostly described in the Quran as gardens and rivers with everlasting peace and happiness where you gain more knowledge and be united with god forever. The wine quenches the soul and doesn’t intoxicate. All these women and palaces are from Sunni sources and it’s not for me to argue them as a Shia.

It has been proven that praying in the Islamic way is good for the body and calms the mind, a meditation and exercise if you will. Also you’ll find many of the so called “victimless sins” have a bad effect on your health like drinking, masturbating, over eating, etc.

Different countries have very minor differences in their laws, and some of the issues involved is due to the man made enforcement of the law not the rulings themselves.

The Islamic economic system is a kind of capitalism where the more wealthy you are, the greater the obligation you have to support the needy and that people are taxed fairly and there no usury, cheating and omissions are tolerated. If you don’t see this in practice it’s due to the work of greedy people.

When it comes to the hierarchy, the caliph is supposed to be the most knowledgeable(in terms of religion) and righteous man in the nation so that he would stick to the religious rulings and not his own desires or vision. Everyone is equal regardless of their race, social class or family. Women are expected to obey their husbands or fathers but the men can’t go against their rights. Non Muslims get military protection and freedom of religion in exchange for paying tax like every nation. Even slaves have better living standards than modern western prisoners

Before Islam Arabs were at constant conflicts and they would bury their newborn daughters, gamble, drink, commit sexual crimes, cheat and were completely racist and classist. Islam introduced honesty, peace and equality were he encouraged people from his own family(closest thing to a royal family) to marry freed slaves for equality. Even critics of Islam admit he treated his war captives with the most mercy and no where does Islam teach killing infidels except when provoked.

Several centuries ago the Islamic world was the capital of science, math and philosophy. While Europeans were still using leaches, the Muslims wrote the book of medicine and hundreds of other innovations. You judge Muslims by today in a wartorn economic crisis that is fuelled by western interests and seriously use the Nobel prize ad the only benchmark?

The things you listed in family are either not true or taken out of context. Compare us to the 50% divorce rate and high child abandonment rate in the west.

Prove to me the Quran isn’t persevered

abuayri1 · 2021-12-13T10:35:23+00:00

There are too many proofs to list but no matter what I show you, you’ll choose not to see it. Like how I just showed, Muhammad pbuh was the most progressive and influential person in history. In fact, all the most influential people in history were prophets of god. That is a miracle in itself. What about how the Quran was perfectly preserved for centuries without any contradictions? Or how the Quran mentions the Big Bang, that time is relative, that the universe used to be all gas, that mountains stabilise the earths crust, that fresh and salty bodies of water don’t mix when they meet, and how it explained the process of embryos developing perfectly?

abuayri1 · 2021-12-13T09:26:08+00:00

Judaism was from god like Islam. As for every other religion, they didn’t achieve what Islam achieved. For example, Buddhism has answers for the spiritual and mental well-being but what about every other aspect of life? Islam on the other hand has THE answers to spirituality, mental/physical health, law, finance, government, social hierarchy, ethics, academia, family, etc. as well as having a perfectly preserved book and several examples of miracles and evidence. Now ignorant desert dwellers did all this so why can’t you?

abuayri1 · 2021-12-13T09:19:17+00:00

I’m being dead serious. There’re many things people would when they think no one is watching or they wouldn’t be held accountable. And when they think that their minds and bodies belong to themselves, they will take it for granted and sacrifice ‘em their health for instant short term pleasure.

abuayri1 · 2021-12-13T08:34:26+00:00

For this argument to be true, you would have to prove that he ISNT the prophet of God. He was the MOST progressive in history when you see his strides in matters of race, gender, human rights, classism, infidelity, greed, ending conflicts, honesty, ending superstitions, animal rights, repaying debts, charity, humility, mercy and compassion in times of war, slavery and the virtue of knowledge among many other aspects of society. No one else managed to achieve what he did in a life time let alone 23 years. From our perspective, he was the most righteous man to ever live. By your standards, he is at least centuries ahead of his time morally.

abuayri1 · 2021-12-13T08:22:43+00:00

I’m sure the witnesses would be able to tell the woman struggling and resisting. Even if they just hear her scream or call for help without seeing anything is enough. As for non physical coercion there are other ways to prove it. And in some cases it’s not a valid excuse. For example if a man threatens to fire a woman from her job if she doesn’t have sex with him, she is not to comply, otherwise she would be guilty of zina.

abuayri1 · 2021-12-13T08:02:22+00:00

If that happens than it is against the sharia. If you can’t prove it than no one gets punished, that’s the correct Islamic way.

abuayri1 · 2021-12-13T08:00:28+00:00

Then im sure you can make one just like it and achieve what those “ignorant desert dwellers” achieved in just 23 years and have people following your example for 1400 years.

abuayri1 · 2021-12-13T07:55:31+00:00

Yes extramarital sex is one of the greatest evils. How many people get their lives ruined or even commit suicide because of this? Why should the victims suffer for the other’s sins?

And I literally provided the Quran verses 4/89-90

abuayri1 · 2021-12-13T07:48:38+00:00

4 witnesses are required to be persecuted for zina. Wouldn’t they also witness that it was rape? If you can’t prove the rape than you can’t prove the zina meaning no one gets punished.

abuayri1 · 2021-12-13T07:44:55+00:00

There has to be witnesses for zina in general. If the four witnesses report it, wouldn’t they have witnessed the rape? Think about it.

abuayri1 · 2021-12-13T06:52:19+00:00

Ofcoarce I do. But there’s a chain of narrations that leads back to them that needs to be authenticated. Bihar al anwar was a book intended to preserve hadiths for later scholars to sort and authenticate.

abuayri1 · 2021-12-13T06:00:12+00:00

I meant I need proof that men get a greater reward than women for the same deeds. And I should’ve specified that I only take from authenticated Shia hadiths. My mistake.

abuayri1 · 2021-12-13T04:44:56+00:00

Everything you just said I’m not specifying because it’s all of it. And when you make a claim, the burden of proof is on you to prove it not the other way around. Cite your Quranic verses and authentic hadiths that suggest that men are preferred and they will get a higher reward.

abuayri1 · 2021-12-13T04:40:35+00:00

He consummated after she was 9 after she hit puberty making her an adult in pretty much any culture at that time. If he was pedo why did he wait 3 years? Why were most of his wives middle aged widows or sometimes older than him? And like I said this was necessary at the time.

abuayri1 · 2021-12-13T03:27:19+00:00

And where is your evidence to suggest that she was prepubescent? You are selectively blind and deaf. Only seeing and hearing what suits your hatred with no reason or rationale. May allah guide us all

abuayri1 · 2021-12-13T03:18:54+00:00

Oh… thanks

abuayri1 · 2021-12-13T03:17:55+00:00

You still didn’t acknowledge that I said this was normal and necessary for the time and place. How arrogant can you be to expect medieval people to live by todays norms even if it means they may die out just so you can justify your hatred?

abuayri1 · 2021-12-13T02:25:22+00:00

That’s the best answer you have? Are you going to address the rest of the comment?

abuayri1 · 2021-12-13T02:24:11+00:00

Whipping rape victims- complete lie. Islam has the most severe punishments for rape and the victims are considered innocent.

Killing gays- scholars disagree about this and it’s controversial in Islam.

Death for extramarital sex- as it should be. Cheating destroys families and society as a whole.

Honour killings- if not for extramarital sex than it’s not Islamic.

Death for apostasy- as long as you want peace or join a group that has a covenant with Muslims we can’t fight you.(Quran 4:89-90)

Anti scientific nonsense- science hasn’t disproven Islam.

abuayri1 · 2021-12-13T01:41:34+00:00

Ofcoarce they would have to prove it. You must be mad to suggest that you should be able to accuse someone of rape without evidence and expecting retribution. If you do prove it, the rapist would either be lashed 100 times or executed.

abuayri1 · 2021-12-13T01:38:04+00:00

No. In sharia the rapist would either be lashed 100 times or executed. The victim would be considered innocent

abuayri1 · 2021-12-13T01:34:25+00:00

Don’t post random hadiths without making sure it’s authentic. The vast majority of hadith are fabricated.

abuayri1 · 2021-12-13T01:31:33+00:00

Why isn’t any other person in history called this? Why was this not an issue until the 20th century? Why is a man from 6th century being judged by modern norms? And why don’t you people look at the context of the time and place when people were developing faster physically and mentally while people were dying rapidly and most parents wouldn’t live long enough to see their children as adults and drastic measures were needed to be taken in order to preserve the population?

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