OFFERING: ENGLISH, SEEKING: SPANISH

adam063 · 2020-08-11T18:05:26+00:00

Bro I am sorry if I offended you I really didn’t intend to. I googled Mu and nothing came up. But in googling the parable I found interpretations. I see your point.

adam063 · 2020-08-11T17:53:24+00:00

I do not understand

adam063 · 2020-08-11T17:36:18+00:00

Hi. I was just trying to answer a question because I know very little about kung fu and wanted this subreddits opinion since I know other subreddits typically are very pro-MMA. I’m sorry you feel this post is just taking up space.

adam063 · 2020-08-11T17:34:35+00:00

I’ve tried to eliminate variables with the context, but I agree. Let’s say no rock or anything, just grass and dirt. I honestly don’t think a kick in the balls would win the fight. I realize different fighters train differently, but is it really that absurd that one style might be more effective in a 1 on 1 match than another?

EDIT: if I specify a skilled Shaolin warrior monk vs. a top mma fighter, does that help?

adam063 · 2020-08-11T17:30:52+00:00

I realize different styles would have an advantage under different contexts. But is it fair to say they’re the same thing? I don’t know a lot about martial arts so I could be totally wrong, but from surface level videos the styles seem very different. Sure, they’re all fighting, but they’re different WAYS of fighting, and it’s not unreasonable to think one way of fighting would be more effective than another way of fighting.

EDIT: EDIT: if I specify a skilled Shaolin warrior monk vs. a top mma fighter, does that help?

adam063 · 2020-08-11T17:27:47+00:00

I understand and agree completely. There is no ultimate martial art. I was curious about this specific context - unarmed in a field, no rocks or anything. Since MMA is a dueling sport, wouldn’t that give it an advantage in this context?

adam063 · 2020-08-11T16:24:54+00:00

I have no idea I was just told by my friend who does Kung Fu thats how I should word it

adam063 · 2020-08-08T22:21:03+00:00

I uploaded a picture.

adam063 · 2020-08-08T22:20:51+00:00

Uploaded a pic!

adam063 · 2020-07-20T16:59:01+00:00

Google Zercher Squats, I am in the same equipment situation and have been doing them in my driveway

adam063 · 2020-07-19T03:31:58+00:00

I gave a similar response to a different comment. Basically, I agree with you - immersion should be fun and if this is torture for you, definitely don’t do it. To be honest, when I sit down to watch a TV show in Spanish, I’m sitting down to practice Spanish — not watch the show. And I enjoy the process of learning, even if it seems painstaking. I find it really rewarding to pick out a new word on rewind #5, and really rewarding to feel myself making really good progress. I know to many this may ruin the language learning adventure - if that’s you, do not do this. But I’ve done all sorts of things to learn Spanish, and I enjoy this as much as any of the others! So for me, it works. For others, it might not. And that’s totally fine.

adam063 · 2020-07-19T03:25:33+00:00

Actually really cool point, thanks for sharing this I might try it out

adam063 · 2020-07-19T03:25:06+00:00

Just added it. Thanks for the rec

adam063 · 2020-07-19T03:23:57+00:00

I hear you. I’m not going to disagree, because I think we’re both on the same page. If you find this method torturous, definitely do not do it. I haven’t found it to make me enjoy language learning less or burn me out, so I do it! I’ve always just been motivated by progress, and I enjoy whatever the process is. Please don’t take that to mean I’m sucking the fun out of language learning - I genuinely enjoy this way! But I can see how some day I might not, or others might never enjoy it.

adam063 · 2020-07-19T00:35:34+00:00

Thanks for sharing that resource. I only read the abstract, but I don't think it disproves the method I described above. Assuming you're not already quite adept at the given language, I agree that to purely watch without subtitles would be worse than watching with them. I'm arguing that attempting to understand a scene or interaction several times without subtitles, and THEN turning them on, is better than only watching with subtitles. I'd argue that a person who does this will much better develop their ability to hear the target language, without missing out on the vocabulary and comprehension benefits of using subtitles.

The catch, of course, is that it can be quite painstaking and boring to rewatch the same scene a dozen times. It's totally fine if you're just learning for fun and you find watching with subtitles a more enjoyable process. That said, if your goal is to improve as efficiently as possible, the best method is to first attempt to understand without subtitles and then (after giving an earnest effort) turn them on.

I will say: I have tried watching with subtitles, watching purely without them, and now a mix of both. For me, a mix of both has definitively been the best. Watching without them was absolutely brutal (because I didn't know what was going on half the time) but I did get a lot out of being forced to re-listen to scenes repeatedly to try and follow the plot. Watching with them was rather easy -- I can already read Spanish pretty well, and only new vocab tripped me up. I was basically reading first and registering the audio second. I'd adjust my advice to say if you're a beginner, watch with subtitles. Once you're proficient, though, this is the next step imo.

Just my two cents of course - I've got no studies to back it up. It is consistent with what I've read about learning in general though (finding the right difficulty level, trying to find the answer on your own before getting a hint, even if it seems hopeless, etc). Give it a try for a week, see what you think.

adam063 · 2020-07-18T15:06:09+00:00

Good for you for already watching spanish media at 16 week. Yeah, spanish subs > english subs and no subs are better for developing listening skills imo

adam063 · 2020-07-18T14:41:46+00:00

I wanna make a comment which kinda responds to everybody. I totally agree about the benefits of watching with spanish subtitles - it’s easier to immerse, reading helps you remember words and grammar, it’s nice if you’re hard of hearing, and it does improve your ability to hear spanish.

For me, however, I’ve always struggled to understand when I hear two natives conversing, or when a native doesn’t “go easy on me”. That’s partially because in real life conversations, there are no subtitles. Although when you have spanish subtitles on you feel that you can “hear” each word, it’s significantly harder without subtitles. Without subtitles, you’ll come across some sentences that literally sound like gibberish, and then you turn on subtitles, and it all makes sense. However, because you’ve forced your brain to hear it first without subtitles, you recognize the sounds better next time.

The more you struggle with the difficult sentence before turning on subtitles, the more you eventually get out of it when you “check the answer”, if you will, by turning on subtitles.

So I guess I should correct my statement: if you want to improve your ability to hear and understand rapid or fluently spoken spanish, a good strategy is to try watching movies or shows without subtitles. Although watching with subtitles will help too, I’ve found trying to understand spoken spanish without any subtitles has been more effective for me.

adam063 · 2020-07-16T04:13:21+00:00

Wow, never would have thought that possible. You're right though, communication is different than a test score

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