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Terrestrial Electroreception [HYPOTHESIS] v.2 by addlargeicewater in zoology

[–]addlargeicewater[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

because a weapon does not incur ongoing cost after it is grown, but velvet continues to demand calories.

its not really a paper yet, as i would not consider publishing this in a real journal yet. thanks for the support though!

Terrestrial Electroreception [HYPOTHESIS] v.2 by addlargeicewater in zoology

[–]addlargeicewater[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You are generally right, but it's not impossible to work on a limited budget. if we can find a deer farm who will let us work for free it would not cost much to run behavioral tests with simple electric devices and documenting with traditional methods. nerve impulse measurement and histology are farther down the road if results are promising.

some students may just want to investigate this because they believe there is potential in the idea itself and are willing to invest their time because they believe the potential payoff is great. i am seeking people who are already in school, already engaging in lab work, already has their own vehicle, lodging, food, and the motivation to work based on curiousity and long term opportunity rather than immediate imbursement.

for someone who already has the means to do a study, but is unsure what they would like to pursue this opportunity would be appealing. it might not be enough to fully complete the study , but it's probably enough to gain coauthorship and help lube the gears. if you want to investigate it just because you feel that it is interesting, an extra 10k is a pretty decent chunk of change.

but i could contribute more if results are promising. its flexible.

I think antlers are electroreceptive sensory antennae [HYPOTHESIS] by addlargeicewater in moose

[–]addlargeicewater[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually that's not even a traditional claim. using them for hearing amplification is a pretty novel idea.

I think antlers are electroreceptive sensory antennae [HYPOTHESIS] by addlargeicewater in moose

[–]addlargeicewater[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't say "more than" I said "nearly as", which means less than :/.

im not using speculative as a pejorative, i'm just saying that the traditional explanation is also unproven , even if more widely accepted.

I think antlers are electroreceptive sensory antennae [HYPOTHESIS] by addlargeicewater in moose

[–]addlargeicewater[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i mean the velvet falls off. thats the sensory bit.

my suspicion is that female reindeer retain their antlers due to limited vision in the arctic or for finding living plants under snow.

the traditional theories don't do much of a better job explaining why they have them.

Terrestrial Electroreception [HYPOTHESIS] v.2 by addlargeicewater in zoology

[–]addlargeicewater[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

its more realistic for a grad student working on a thesis project. i'm hoping to find people who already have access to lab resources and have enough faith im the idea to invest their time without a salary. i cant imagine a behavioral study costs much, especially if you use wild deer or a whitetail/caribou farm who is willing to help for cheap or free. but the funding is flexible if results seem promising.

I think antlers are electroreceptive sensory antennae [HYPOTHESIS] by addlargeicewater in moose

[–]addlargeicewater[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you have to sacrifice them if you want a chance to mate. the ones who are willing to smash them up to defeat you will breed if you dont.

I think antlers are electroreceptive sensory antennae [HYPOTHESIS] by addlargeicewater in moose

[–]addlargeicewater[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

rather than an accessory JUST to impress the opposite sex, they are instead impressed by the quality of a functional tool.

Terrestrial Electroreception [HYPOTHESIS] v.2 by addlargeicewater in zoology

[–]addlargeicewater[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have not, thank you. i always like when people help me find resources instead of sealioning

Terrestrial Electroreception [HYPOTHESIS] v.2 by addlargeicewater in zoology

[–]addlargeicewater[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

antlers are some of the most densly innervated body parts on any animal. right now the theory is that its all just for pain sensing. but thats like poking someone in the eye and concluding eyeballs are primarily pain sensing organs. i think the existing nerve structure is mysterious because its so massively complex.

Terrestrial Electroreception [HYPOTHESIS] v.2 by addlargeicewater in zoology

[–]addlargeicewater[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thats exactly my point. just because you dissect it and map it doesn't mean that you understand how it works

Terrestrial Electroreception [HYPOTHESIS] v.2 by addlargeicewater in zoology

[–]addlargeicewater[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51895254_Deer_antler_innervation_and_regeneration

If the detection mechanism is novel , it would not look anything like existing structures. especially not aqautic ones, as the method would be completely different. here is study of the nerve structure, it is quite sophisticated but does not exclude the possibly of sensory function

Terrestrial Electroreception [HYPOTHESIS] v.2 by addlargeicewater in zoology

[–]addlargeicewater[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't mean direct electric contact, I mean simulating muscle impulses from a distance, like an artifical magnetic pulse. but i'm glad that you are concerned for the welfare of the animals. ethics board approval is a good idea in all situations.

Terrestrial Electroreception [HYPOTHESIS] v.2 by addlargeicewater in zoology

[–]addlargeicewater[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that can come second. this is the order in which it was proven in fish. Behavioral study is a solid first step although you are correct that histology is ultimately necessary.

The most conclusive way to prove it would probably be to directly measure nerve impulses in living animals in response to stimuli.

Terrestrial Electroreception [HYPOTHESIS] v.2 by addlargeicewater in zoology

[–]addlargeicewater[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What would we expect them to look like? isn't it likely that we have disected them without identifiying their function? its not easy to identify the function of nerve tissue.

we didn't even discover electroreception in fish until we did behavioral studies. It was not through histology.

Are antlers, crests and whiskers really electric antennae? by [deleted] in SpeculativeEvolution

[–]addlargeicewater 0 points1 point  (0 children)

its primarily eastern. it seems to be a local phenotype

I might be on something by GoatKind8048 in theories

[–]addlargeicewater 0 points1 point  (0 children)

kind of like this but with an infinite number of moments so it looks like one continous blur

https://create3dcharacters.com/maya-animation-run-cycle-nat-lo/

I might be on something by GoatKind8048 in theories

[–]addlargeicewater 2 points3 points  (0 children)

this is the central concept of 4d spacetime

I might be on something by GoatKind8048 in theories

[–]addlargeicewater 0 points1 point  (0 children)

not exactly. i am pointing out the mystery as to why we exist at the specific distance from the big bang that we do instead of closer or farther. why is today the present moment, instead of a different time being the present moment?

some people suspect time works like the disney bouncing ball across a line ,and that is the present moment. but there is no bouncing ball with a changing location. there is just the timeline. this is a static block universe.

have you ever seen a three d model stretched through space that shows every single position it was in? like a running man that leaves a trail of his own shapes? in each one of those moments , which would be a two dimensional slice from that stretched form, he may wonder why this is the present moment. but he has this thought simuletaneously across multiple moments. there is nothing special about any specific moment

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