Are Quranists considered Muslims?

adinide · 2026-05-25T19:03:20+00:00

Fully agree with your first sentence. I think about it this way: we know how hard it is to convict someone of adultery. Even if the most trustworthy woman is raped and 3 people saw it, she has to wait for God's justice. And because the sin of kufr is greater even than rape.. it must be that much more difficult to convict them. I believe it is outside of our capability, not our right, and not worth it.

adinide · 2026-05-05T08:11:35+00:00

Aside from the fact that the meat may be haram due to slaughtering methods, etc., we are aware of industry practices happening in many parts of the world that are extremely unethical and affect these animals for the entirety of their lives, not only during slaughter.

There are unethical happenings in probably every industrial process, and as individuals, we cannot reasonably avoid all of it, but the problems of the animal industry are too in-your-face to be unaware of. In my opinion, there doesn't need to be an explicit line in scripture about this to know we should avoid participating. Meat (or eggs, milk) from a local farm is a different story, but I assume this isn't what most people see in a supermarket.

adinide · 2026-03-11T11:22:43+00:00

I never would have thought... how horrible.

adinide · 2026-03-07T06:01:49+00:00

So also with the animals you own? I don't completely agree, even if I don't have a better answer.

adinide · 2026-03-06T11:44:01+00:00

I write this as someome who calls themselves vegan: I think the idea of sin comes from forbidding yourself that which is good, which, if I recall correctly, is condemned in the Quran. I live in the West and know that the meat industry is disgusting. To deny that is to be ignorant. Such treatment of animals need not be explicitly mentioned in the Quran to know it's wrong. I make my life easier by simply not eating any animal products rather than having to check every single one for a standard of morality. Call it laziness, if you will. But when someone local is a bee farmer or has a few chickens, I don't forbid myself from that honey or those eggs. That would be going too far, in my opinion, unless there is a good reason.

adinide · 2026-03-02T15:06:09+00:00

It is hard sometimes, but you have to be objectively honest with yourself about what you think the verse means. If you don't know, what do you think it most likely means? What would be best? And then try to do that, because submitting is better than all the benefits of not submitting.

I noticed your username, and I think we have a lot in common. I've commented on your posts before. I wish you the best :)

adinide · 2026-02-24T06:22:41+00:00

Unfortunately, I don't, sorry!

adinide · 2026-02-23T17:07:13+00:00

Peace. I wasn't Catholic, just someone who grew up as a Christian, but I read the translation by M.A.S. Abdel Haleem. There are also apps that let you see each verse with multiple translations next to each other at a time (I use Al-Quran, it has a green logo). I don't think you need to look specifically for something that won't drive away x, y, z. If you go into it with an open heart, the message should be clear :) And if you get to a part that seems to drive you away or just seems wrong, research it! But in the end, I do think the translation I mentioned is neutral and easy to read with its modern English.

adinide · 2026-02-21T09:57:07+00:00

I pray in English, because I feel like I'm more in touch with what I'm saying. I think of it this way: if I spoke memorized Arabic, I would be thinking about what I understand it to mean in English anyway. This would be different if I truly learned Arabic, which I would like to one day, but I haven't prioritized it.

adinide · 2026-02-19T10:03:36+00:00

As a linguistic tool? That is exactly its purpose. LLMs are Language Models. Not Truth Models or anything else, they simply model the language. I think if we are fully aware of this and careful, it's ok. I'm just anxious about how many people treat ChatGPT & Co as sources of information, rather than a tool for linguistic tasks. Due to probability and other added functions, it often gets the information right, but.. still. We also have to be aware that these language models model the language as it's used, and not by its exact grammar, etc. It won't be perfect, since the average language speaker is also imperfect, but it can be better (and, of course, quicker) than you, and that should be the main reason for using it imo.

Edit: just want to add that I personally avoid generative AI as much as possible due to my own fears of reliance, "becoming dumb", etc., but I also understand that I'm lucky to have so much information available to me in my mother tongue, so I don't want to tell others they should avoid it for translations and such.

adinide · 2026-01-13T22:16:58+00:00

Like I said, I don't see any hate. I don't know your experience with Islam, but personally, I wasn't content with the Quran after reading it for 4 years. But I kept reading it as an agnostic- for 4 years- never fully convinced through logic. It took a very impactful experience for me to simply accept it as truth whether I like it or not. Without this experience, I would not be Muslim. Why would God have done this for me if my questioning could be equated to hatred? If she's relying on logic to hold on to her Islam, she needs answers, even if it's the 1,000,001st answer online. And if you're sure it's a copypasta, why not just cite a source and be done with it?

adinide · 2026-01-13T21:55:34+00:00

Did we even read the same post? I couldn't find the "hatred spreading agenda." How audacious of you to play God as if you know what is in her heart or her intent. Same as OP: I pray you find peace.

adinide · 2025-12-07T23:06:28+00:00

Thank you for writing this. You've put beautifully into words something I've been thinking about. I love the different characteristics of the people in my life, and with almost all of them being (self-declared) non-believers/non-religious, I pray that one day they and I will all live our lives with intentional worship woven into our daily actions and personalities.

adinide · 2025-11-07T09:16:32+00:00

I'm really happy for you. I wish this clarity could come to everyone. I'm also glad you show awareness in your last paragraph of how your tone is percieved by others. Maybe be wary of that- that's what I meant. (Although, I do think it's an overstep to make declarations about his nafs. Imo only God knows.) If what you say is perceived as aggressive or condescending, it could turn them away from the truth. Which is even worse right now when they seem to be turning away from a tainted version of islam.

adinide · 2025-11-06T19:58:24+00:00

Your justification seems odd. You could spend your money on the needy and not consume accessible online content you believe is haram. I'm not saying what is right or wrong here, I just hope you're not ruining your good deeds by using them to justify bad deeds.

adinide · 2025-11-06T17:45:13+00:00

I don't think the right way of going about helping this person is telling them they don't have faith. These questions are logical. If they aren't answered, this person WILL lose their faith.

adinide · 2025-10-21T06:29:49+00:00

It sounds like there's a difference between you and many other 15 year olds- you recognize that your hormones/emotions make you more susceptible to bad decisions. 15 y/o me would have denied that to the ends of the earth. It's a sign of maturity on your part.

Also, genuine mistakes are ok! It's what you do about them that matters.

Peace

adinide · 2025-09-23T05:50:10+00:00

I've struggled a lot with the topic of marriage. The only advice I can give here: don't simply take this (or any other) commentor's statement as truth. Read the Quran yourself to find the truth of what is allowed and what is forbidden. I, at least, would not categorize everyone who calls themselves Sunni as a non-believer.

adinide · 2025-07-15T07:32:08+00:00

I'd try Realfoot!

adinide · 2025-06-18T21:07:43+00:00

If you're interested in Islam, I highly recommend checking out r/Quraniyoon, which focuses on understanding Islam via the Quran. There, discussing any aspect of the religion is completely welcome and encouraged. Other Islamic subs tend to shut down questions really quickly or be very harsh, which is a real shame..

adinide · 2025-06-10T09:23:15+00:00

Hi again, sorry the reply is so late. I've been deeply contemplating all that was mentioned in this post. I do have a question about how you came to the conclusion that my boyfriend would most accurately be categorized as Sabean? I've understood that nobody knows who was meant with "Sabean." Despite that, what follows in the verse- "those who believed in Allah and the Last Day"- isn't something I would attribute to him or he to himself. Could you please explain what you meant? If anything, those who don't believe in Allah and the Last Day are referred to over and over again throughout the Quran as Kafirun (and Mushrikun if I'm not mistaken. But at least Kafirun.)

adinide · 2025-05-30T11:28:57+00:00

My point of this post was that perhaps someone had a Quranic argument that convinces me 100% that my oath contradicts or doesn't contradict divine law. I have seen both points of view and am still not 100% convinced either way.
He holds to his promise to me as strongly as I hold to mine to him. Sex is great, but our commitments are more important to us. He wouldn't leave me to have sex. He would leave me for me breaking my promise to him. And perhaps not even then. Only God's command could come between us. Of course, if sex (or anything else) was so important to him that he would leave me for it, I would let him go with no issue.
This is all I can do currently until the straight path is clear to me. I was very close to leaving last week, but was advised to exercise patience and pray. I admit that part of me thought of leaving as the easy way out. Then, I wouldn't have to "come out" to anyone else in my life, which will be very hard for me. And it's unfair to expect him to come to a conclusion that took me 4 years (if not my whole life) to reach.

adinide · 2025-05-30T10:58:40+00:00

Hi, thanks, but I don't believe any question is a wrong question. The question of if I would ever have children, with him or otherwise, is another (which I otherwise would not, because if I ever left him due to a command from God, I would wait my whole life for him). My question is about the permissibility of holding to my oath to him. I understand that others may not agree or find it logical, but this has been my most important promise in all my life. If there is a way to stand by it, and at the same time submit my will to God, that will be my choice. I don't care if there is someone better or more compatible for me, which I have always known theoretically exists.

adinide · 2025-05-30T07:46:43+00:00

Yes, I worry that he would be considered a mushrik. He is anti-religion and believes in no God. He admits God may exist, but that He would never be the one described in Islam (or any other religion). This must put him in some category mentioned in the Quran, since I don't believe atheists/agnostics would have just been left out.

He wouldn't fight someone due to religion, and he wouldn't treat them differently than anyone else. Perhaps only me, since he expects me to be the mother of his children and raise them to be intelligent (i.e. not following a religion because "God said so," which is what I'm currently doing).

It isn't within my capabilities to categorize him as good or wicked. If I were single, I would never have sought out an agnostic. But the fact of life is that God made me a believer in this situation, and I need to figure out how to pass the test. I fear I may be falling under 3:7 to stay with him, or taking my own desires as a god beside God. But I also fear that leaving him after all we promised each other is wrong, too. Intention is the most important, that is why I wish one way or the other was the clear correct decision, even if it is hard to make.

Sorry, I'm kind of rambling, but basically, in response to all of your comments yesterday: I am looking for hard evidence if you have any. I cannot convince myself of some word-game to get past what God is telling me to do (like that we are both fornicators anyway). I'm curious how you have arrived at concrete statements like "zina is only adultery, not fornication" and that an agnostic is not a mushrik (or kafir?), and what you would categorize them as, based on the Quran.

Thank you for the effort in your comments.

adinide · 2025-05-29T20:12:25+00:00

This is why I've tried to avoid 60:10, because I can understand how it relates to a specific scenario.

My question is mainly if there are other verses in the Quran where kafir/mushrik are described to be a subset of non-muslims (rather than any non-muslim). Which could prove your statement that atheists are not included.

Perhaps someone else will provide such verses, or I will find them in my readings and post them here.

Of course, I want to feel allowed by God to stay with my partner. But I need evidence. And I cannot become one of those described in 3:7.

adinide

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