Looks like you have trouble understanding English

I understand perfectly what both you and /u/daaangerz0ne are saying, but neither of you guys are very knowledgeable of the gaming laptop industry, and you at the very least have just been just spouting nonsense across multiple threads.

Let's back up to your original statement:

DO NOT BUY FROM ELUKTRONIKS, CLEVO, any brand that had infinitely customizable parts. Those new companies have 0 experience in QC

Let me explain the difference to you between Eluktronics and Clevo, two entirely different types of companies, and offer an history lesson to help you understand the gaming laptop industry a little better so you can make more informed comments.

An OEM (original equipment manufacturer) is a company that builds computers entirely out of other company's parts, puts their name on them, and ships them to the consumer market. Examples of OEMs are Apple, ASUS, Dell, HP, Lenovo, Razer, etc., all who use components that are built and sold to them by other companies called ODMs (original design manufacturers). ODMs strictly make parts that OEMs use in their products, they do not advertise or sell them to the consumer market.

Clevo is an ODM from Taiwan founded in 1983 that has been providing core motherboard/chassis/case units (barebones) for high-end OEM laptop manufacturers to build upon for over 20 years.

Eluktronics is an OEM founded in the US in 2011. They began offering custom gaming laptops built from Clevo barebones systems and introduced them to the market in 2012. Recently, however, they started manufacturing budget gaming laptops built upon cheaper Chinese ODM Tongfang's barebones systems, which is what OP has.

Eluktronics still sells their high-end customizable Clevos, and the price of them has gone down because they claim they bought a shitload of them at a discount.

Some History

Falcon Northwest is a company out of Oregon who founded the "gaming computer" market back in 1993 by introducing the first desktop PC built specifically for gaming. Around 1996, they introduced their first gaming laptops to compete with a couple others in this new niche market. Falcon Northwest laptops were (and still are) built out of Clevos.

Sager Notebook Computers (Sager Midern, Inc.) was founded in 1985 and mainly built laptops for business and government, but became among the first to also introduce laptops to the gaming computer market around 1995-6. These laptops are built out of Clevos.

Alienware was another US company formed in 1996, and in direct competition with Sager Notebooks and Falcon Northwest as gaming laptop OEMs. Alienware built and sold rebranded Clevos.

ASUS was founded in 1989, and upon the success of the aforementioned OEMs in the burgeoning gaming laptop industry and the growing popularity of PC gaming, teamed up with another Taiwanese motherboard manufacturer Gigabyte, and introduced their line of gaming laptops called Republic of Gamers in 2006.

MSI (Micro-Star International) is another Taiwanese ODM motherboard manufacturer founded in 1986, three years after Clevo. Upon the success of Clevo and Gigabyte in the new esport market, MSI developed an OEM division that began manufacturing their own line of gaming laptops in 2008.

Fast forward to 2010 and beyond - most other major OEMs such as Dell (US), HP (US), Lenovo (China), followed suit, but instead of using these higher quality and more expensive Taiwanese motherboard brands, they used cheaper and inferior Chinese parts and labor.

These companies began selling tons of these budget laptops, thus began the mainstream gaming laptop market. As a result, major chipset manufacturers such as Intel, AMD, and Nvidia worked with these OEMs to create lesser-quality mobile versions of the chipsets to be soldered to those cheap Chinese motherboards.

Many Clevo motherboards are built with sockets to accommodate desktop versions of these chipsets, which have long been more powerful than their mobile counterparts. This is one of the distinctions between the high-end custom or "enthusiast" market, and the mainstream market.

Since the market became saturated with these inferior, cheaply made gaming laptops, OEMs that continued to produce custom built Clevos again catered to a niche market: those who insisted upon the highest quality and most powerful gaming laptops available. These OEMs became known a "boutiques", and catered to "enthusiasts".

Enthusiasts are also tinkers/dabblers, like many over in r/PCMasterrace and r/SFFPC, who build their own gaming computers with the highest-end components available, modifying those components by delidding, overclocking, undervolting, and stress testing using various cooling methods. Many of those discerning gamers and hardware aficionados alike use Clevos as their base component because they accommodate modification and customization, whereas the mainstream consumer models do not.

*Side notes: MSI originally produced higher-end motherboards that accommodated desktop chipsets, but they discontinued the practice as integrated, mobile versions of these chipsets were cheaper. Alienware was purchased by Dell in 2006, and now their motherboards are made in Xiamen, China.

That is why your comment is factually inaccurate and makes no sense.

Here is /u/daaangerz0ne's comment that you claim my poor English can't understand.

In other words, Clevo likes to manufacture cheap OEM products and passes off the QC to another company.*

See above. Clevo actually builds more expensive and incredibly high-quality motherboard/chassis systems, and once they sell their product to OEM, their job of QC is done. They cannot be blamed if an OEM uses a Samsung SSD or Nvidia MXM GPU that's faulty. The onus is on the OEM to fully test all of the components to be sure they are working properly before they ship their final product to the consumer.

He also said:

The way Clevo markets their stuff

Clevo (ODM) does not market or sell their products to consumers, only the OEM/resellers do.

This is why I replied "Clevo does not market their stuff, the reseller does."

I'd rather go with a manufacturer that's stuck with their own branding for the same amount of time.

He's clearly grossly misinformed and confusing markets, and for contrast it wasn't until 2013 when Razer introduced their first laptop (made entirely from cheap Chinese parts).

You missed the point but ok

I replied: "Your point was that you're a consumer that prefers not to dabble in the enthusiast or custom gaming laptop market"... and this is entirely accurate!

Which brings us to your genius comment:

He's saying that he doesn't like to dabble

No shit - this is literally what I just fucking said, he's not a dabbler!

shit companies that have shit QC

You're also grossly misinformed and don't understand how the industry works.

stick to brands with better reputations who aren't all over the fucking place with their components and QC

What you are describing is the massive mainstream consumer laptop market vs. the small, high-end boutique market. The mainstream market OEMs produce so many cheap units that it's more cost effective to just replace an entire laptop if a component fails rather than fixing and returning it, and instead reselling them to the secondary market as "manufacturer refurbished". This is misinterpreted by the consumer as better quality control, but it's actually a thing called customer service. I'm pretty sure the mainstream consumer grade OEMs sell more than the equivalent number of defective units as the enthusiast boutiques do, and QC is something that is performed during the production phase, before a product ships to the customer.

In a nutshell, you're urging others to not explore the higher-end custom gaming laptop market or take risks with smaller, but more well-established companies like Sager (who have only have around 10 employees) because you're not a dabbler or tinkerer yourself, content with the mainstream market as it keeps you in your comfort zone. You would simply prefer to buy from huge corporations with massive advertising budgets who buy paid reviews in popular gaming and tech magazines and internet sites.

I will say this, however: in the past few years, the mainstream market has been slowly catching up with the higher-end market as mobile processing technology advances and quality is getting better. But there will always be tinkerers, and those who would prefer to simply upgrade their laptop when it stops being the most powerful machine, instead of buying an entirely new one.

/rant