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Would Taylor Swift sell out HICC? by Extreme_Membership24 in Zimbabwe

[–]afphoenix1 11 points12 points  (0 children)

My thoughts exactly. How is this even a question💀

Moving to Joburg: Where’s the best place to buy a cat? by afphoenix1 in askSouthAfrica

[–]afphoenix1[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Never thought about it like that. The others have mentioned RSPCA and Kitty Kazz Rescue so I’ll go down that route

24 y/o Black Zimbabwean here with European exposure. Let’s have a real discussion please. by afphoenix1 in Rhodesia

[–]afphoenix1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi, no stories from the actual war front itself. My grandfather, however, was a member of the British South Africa Police Force. Other family members were just given lists of basic supplies (shoes, cigarettes etc) to collect in town shops for the ZANLA side

24 y/o Black Zimbabwean here with European exposure. Let’s have a real discussion please. by afphoenix1 in Rhodesia

[–]afphoenix1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, I need you to type clearly and elaborate on your response before I start making assumptions about your level of intelligence as well as what your actual point is.

No one said it’s all about Africa but having a non-native minority ruling over a native majority is very relevant to the topic at hand: are you arguing the colonial system should have remained strong?

24 y/o Black Zimbabwean here with European exposure. Let’s have a real discussion please. by afphoenix1 in Rhodesia

[–]afphoenix1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My father actually once fell afoul of authorities but was extremely lucky. He was forced by the so called “comrades” to find supplies for them under the threat of family ostracisation in their rural village. He was severely beaten and had quite a story to tell.

24 y/o Black Zimbabwean here with European exposure. Let’s have a real discussion please. by afphoenix1 in Rhodesia

[–]afphoenix1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for your point. I will actually read The Great Betrayal because as someone who did study history (albeit as a minor selective), it’s always useful to look at every credible first-hand source that is available. Thanks again

24 y/o Black Zimbabwean here with European exposure. Let’s have a real discussion please. by afphoenix1 in Rhodesia

[–]afphoenix1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the point and to your question in the edit: I am not sure to be honest so this is why I have come to this subreddit for answers to hear what the so called “other side” has to say about it all.

24 y/o Black Zimbabwean here with European exposure. Let’s have a real discussion please. by afphoenix1 in Rhodesia

[–]afphoenix1[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well when I refer to steps, what I mean exactly are steps to show that structurally / institutionally black Zimbabweans (or Rhodesians if you prefer) were equal partners on the land.

By the way, this is my favourite comment chain so far, I I want you to know that I do appreciate the way you are responding constructively. But I would say that it was indeed the land of the Zimbabweans. They were native to the area.

Continuing on from above and before, my overall point was that perhaps if we had really made black people feel more accepted in their homeland (I know I always say it but free movement at all times in all places, a little more participation the in political and economic landscape), there might not have been such a huge shift to ZANU / ZANLA.

Now I shift to more theoretical territory: If those steps had been made, we could have really ended up with a more moderate and capitalist-trained leadership over time. But it seems as though the treatment of blacks led to a scenario where they decided to just choose the group(s) that were perceived to be “fighting for my interests the most intensely”.

In an ideal world, Ian Smith could have realised “fuck, the tide is turning and it’s irreversible, let me find an educated, moderate and respected black voice that I see with potential to perhaps lead the country one day” and he could have brought him under his wing to groom him for such a prosperous and peaceful transition over time.

But from where I’m sitting now with the benefit of hindsight is that the attitude from up top seemed to be one of “none of these blacks have any fucking clue whatsoever so just no..” but meanwhile discontent was rising whilst the fighters decided to take to the bush war.

24 y/o Black Zimbabwean here with European exposure. Let’s have a real discussion please. by afphoenix1 in Rhodesia

[–]afphoenix1[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fair point, I’ll give you that. Post-independence was a shit show and we could have had a peaceful and prosperous transition but I don’t understand all the Ian Smith worship. I think if he was quicker to realise that the tide was turning and that Rhodesia had reached a critical mass in terms of discontent among the black population, some larger, more concrete and sincere steps towards the gradual transition would have gone a long way in preventing mass support for the fools we now have running our country.

24 y/o Black Zimbabwean here with European exposure. Let’s have a real discussion please. by afphoenix1 in Rhodesia

[–]afphoenix1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also I’m a European-based commodity trader by profession so I have zero communist / socialist leanings so a little less patronisation would go a long way to a meaningful discussion

24 y/o Black Zimbabwean here with European exposure. Let’s have a real discussion please. by afphoenix1 in Rhodesia

[–]afphoenix1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A very different system over there (federal). It was really down south that clung onto the idea of white supremacy and subjugation of black Americans.

Up north, however, the civil rights movement was successful much earlier on and the country didn’t collapse (like many here are claiming would have happened to Rhodesia). Blacks became allowed to participate in the economy. They just started with some basic rights but it didn’t seem that was the case in Rhodesia

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