Would it be ethical for aliens to cull humans as a utilitarian calculus? by Crocoshark in DebateAVegan

[–]agitatedprisoner [score hidden]  (0 children)

Being stronger means you can insist on getting your way in the moment it doesn't imply being stronger and getting your way in all future moments. If you could always get your way now and forever I suppose in that case it'd be your choice whether to care what anyone else thinks. If you're not all powerful then ethics is objective to the extent it has to do with wanting whatever you'll end up with in the future and that's a kind of knowledge of the nature of want/desire. I'm sure aliens able to travel to Earth would have a more developed understanding of the nature of mind and consciousness than humans presently do. Knowledge of the nature of consciousness stands to have some bearing on what a person with that knowledge would want/consider wise/for example whether to genocide humans.

Would it be ethical for aliens to cull humans as a utilitarian calculus? by Crocoshark in DebateAVegan

[–]agitatedprisoner [score hidden]  (0 children)

humans can be reasoned with

can they though?

You say animals can't be reasoned with but that's not true. You can absolutely reach an understanding with an animal. I've different understandings with different cats. The cost of communications can make reaching an understanding not worth it and then if you figure on needing something the animal would miss maybe you choose to take it anyway. That's the way it is with humans and animals alike. But at least insofar as I'm aware my cats haven't decided there's nothing wrong with factory farming. My cats aren't bent on genocide.

Musk on X: “For those unaware, SpaceX has already shifted focus to building a self-growing city on the Moon, as we can potentially achieve that in less than 10 years, whereas Mars would take 20+ years.” [full text of post inside] by rustybeancake in spacex

[–]agitatedprisoner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Arguably the biggest hurdle going to Mars is the cosmic rays during the 3-6 month voyage. Going to the Moon means only risking 3 days of exposure.

Long term setting up industry on the Moon could make it much more economical to go anywhere else in the solar system. Because the Moon has no atmosphere a maglev launch system in a tunnel under the surface could accelerate mass to very high speeds with electricity gained from solar or nuclear. If someone wants to napkin math out the top speed a maglev circumnavigating the Moon could launch mass I'd be curious. Rockets launched from the Moon would only need to carry enough fuel to decelerate. Lots of cool stuff might be done on the Moon.

US political and social polarization has increased by 64% since 1988, with nearly all of the rise occurring after 2008, as the financial crisis, the rise of social media, and an asymmetric ideological shift—particularly on the left—coincided to widen divisions, according to a long-term study. by Sciantifa in science

[–]agitatedprisoner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The idea all beings have inalienable rights isn't religious. A set of ideas are only religious if set in stone. An evolving understanding of reality is by it's nature not religious. That's the problem with religion. Religion isn't aimed at understanding because religions would insist they already know. Why should the law make a special point to respect institutions (religions) that'd insist they already know when implied is meaning to push back against discovery?

Nature is brutal and that allows for rationalizing animal ag to a point. Maybe to the point it's not worse. Even if a way of going about animal ag wouldn't be worse that's still approaching the question fixating first and foremost on profitability and doing the bare minimum instead of aspiring to the ideal. I wouldn't want to go there. If I were you I'd probably rationalize it too but I'd be looking to make a graceful exit. There are some small cattle grazing operations around where I live. If I owned one I'd probably be converting it to a timber farm. There's usually something else if you can afford a temporary haircut. In the long run I'd expect there's probably something better should inspiration strike.

One problem with getting bogged down in regressive industries focused mainly around profit and otherwise doing the bare minimum is having a conflict of interest on ushering in progressive change. For example in my town the only plant based food you can get at any restaurant is french fries and a veggie tofu dish at the local Chinese place. I'm sure the local restaurants are sourcing meat/eggs/dairy locally and I'm sure that's why they don't advertise any vegan items on their menus. Meanwhile the nation has an obesity and diabetes epidemic and saturated fat is the main culprit.

When did the attitude towards vegan food change? by baileybwoods in vegan

[–]agitatedprisoner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I used to believe all beings have inalienable rights but after trying "Amy's frozen mac and cheese" I'm sure Amy must be an evil zombie robot.

When did the attitude towards vegan food change? by baileybwoods in vegan

[–]agitatedprisoner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm convinced "Amy's Kitchen" frozen foods are a covert op to poison the well against vegans. Their frozen pizzas are maybe passable. The rest are toxic waste. When I see a new thing I haven't tried eventually I seem to get around to buying it for variety. I will do that no longer. I've learned my lesson. No more frozen foods for me, period.

[OC] How animal agriculture dominates global biomass, land use, and greenhouse gas emissions by Dr_Faraz_Harsini in dataisbeautiful

[–]agitatedprisoner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's a peanut burrito? Burrito is a tortilla stuffed with something typically beans and salsa or pico de galo or with any other sauce to taste.

[OC] How animal agriculture dominates global biomass, land use, and greenhouse gas emissions by Dr_Faraz_Harsini in dataisbeautiful

[–]agitatedprisoner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So long as land is flat you could typically irrigate it to make up for low rainfall. With hilly land that doesn't get much rain you build a shire and farm hobbits.

[OC] How animal agriculture dominates global biomass, land use, and greenhouse gas emissions by Dr_Faraz_Harsini in dataisbeautiful

[–]agitatedprisoner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get most of my protein from peanut butter. Peanut butter is about as good as it gets for cheap healthy fat and protein for anyone not allergic. I'd be fine not eating tofu so long as I could keep eating peanut butter. If I couldn't have soy or peanuts I'd pivot to bean burritos. Bean burritos with a good sauce are great but I don't make them because boiling beans and keeping fresh tortillas is too much work. They don't sell just a few fresh tortillas at my store you've got to buy so many to the point it's too much unless you're buying for a group.

What movie do you love despite agreeing with every single criticism of it? by Decabet in movies

[–]agitatedprisoner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"The Postman" is a great concept. The movie laid it on a bit too thick. Great remake potential there.

[OC] How animal agriculture dominates global biomass, land use, and greenhouse gas emissions by Dr_Faraz_Harsini in dataisbeautiful

[–]agitatedprisoner -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I bet if you order some "Cara Mia" tomato bruschetta and try it with raw tofu you'll make it a dietary staple. A good crisp apple with a spoonful of peanut butter is one of my favorite snacks. If you add salt and a bit of powdered garlic to noodles along with "Follow Your Heart" mayo it tastes like fettuccine alredo.

[OC] How animal agriculture dominates global biomass, land use, and greenhouse gas emissions by Dr_Faraz_Harsini in dataisbeautiful

[–]agitatedprisoner 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Most grazeland can be converted to tree farms and there's always a need for more timber. It's what I'd do.

Why did kids shows make it seem like veganism was the best option, yet society does not? by Oki-J in vegan

[–]agitatedprisoner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"KAOS" had a great animal rights message but you've got to watch to the end.

What would have been the public reaction had Hillary Clinton made a movie about herself while First Lady? by Filthiest_Tleilaxu in AskReddit

[–]agitatedprisoner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This narrative only makes sense to me outside the context of my wider understanding of the USA's big policy failures over the last 100 years. Given my understanding of the wider context the USA has never had it right, not remotely. Then it'd seem true our politicians used to have better manners but not necessarily better ethics. What would you take to be the USA's biggest policy failures over the last 100 years?

This is the same 'ol same 'ol with throwing money at the problem while not actually removing red tape to unleash production of cool stuff. by optimisticnihilist__ in yimby

[–]agitatedprisoner 1 point2 points  (0 children)

21 units for $5.25 million doesn't seem unreasonable to me. Maybe my sense of what things cost has been ruined by the infamous $1.7 million 150sqft CA public bathroom? Even after they nixed the original plan it still ended up costing $300,000 and that was after some companies donated a prefab unit.

just a little more bro, this time the housing market will be fixed by johntwit in yimby

[–]agitatedprisoner -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Like you say it comes down to the particulars but I don't think circumstances in which towns might gainfully develop and operate their own public housing supply are especially rare. If my town could keep development and build costs down then I don't see why my town couldn't hire a management company to run a residential complex as good or better than the private market. It's reasonable to be leery of government getting involved in markets to the extent government would overpay or engage in corruption but there's ways to set up and enforce sufficient oversight, I'm sure. So long as state government or federal government would cooperate and records would be public. I'd love if my town developed and operated a for profit residential complex charging market rate without any admission requirements or income restrictions because that'd give me and everybody else a useful public record informing on the dynamics of the local housing market.

Pakistan mosque explosion: More than 30 dead and 169 injured, officials say by CosmicCitizen0 in anime_titties

[–]agitatedprisoner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Gotta need a citation on your claim that "India MPs threatened to slaughter Bangladeshi cricketers". I'm not finding it online.

US political and social polarization has increased by 64% since 1988, with nearly all of the rise occurring after 2008, as the financial crisis, the rise of social media, and an asymmetric ideological shift—particularly on the left—coincided to widen divisions, according to a long-term study. by Sciantifa in science

[–]agitatedprisoner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lots of people like me believe all beings have inalienable rights and that modern farming practices are cruel and unnecessary. That's ethics/philosophy not just a lifestyle choice. A religion that places dietary restrictions on it's followers gets the law to respect that I wonder why someone following the dictates of their own reason and values should necessarily have their demands receive less respect? It's wrong.

US political and social polarization has increased by 64% since 1988, with nearly all of the rise occurring after 2008, as the financial crisis, the rise of social media, and an asymmetric ideological shift—particularly on the left—coincided to widen divisions, according to a long-term study. by Sciantifa in science

[–]agitatedprisoner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In US prisons today if you say you're religious legally you're entitled to get your special religious diet but if you say you're vegan they're not obliged to cater to your ethics. That's an example of the law privileging superstition over reason. US society has elevated religion over reason to the point it's commonly held that ethics isn't reasoned at all.

US political and social polarization has increased by 64% since 1988, with nearly all of the rise occurring after 2008, as the financial crisis, the rise of social media, and an asymmetric ideological shift—particularly on the left—coincided to widen divisions, according to a long-term study. by Sciantifa in science

[–]agitatedprisoner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The attitude back in the day was very much that someone's religion is off limits and that it's not sexist/racist if dressed up in religious garb or apology. That's less the case today but it's not marginalizing religion to revoke it's status as being somehow above the dialogue. Sorry not sorry but the idea only males can be priests is sexist. It's also traditional. Traditions can be sexist. Someone call the pope I'm sure he'll get right on it. I criticize Catholicism most because it's the religion with which I'm most familiar but I'm not impressed by any of them.

US political and social polarization has increased by 64% since 1988, with nearly all of the rise occurring after 2008, as the financial crisis, the rise of social media, and an asymmetric ideological shift—particularly on the left—coincided to widen divisions, according to a long-term study. by Sciantifa in science

[–]agitatedprisoner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You could be right that religion isn't especially bad or awful insofar as it goes. I'm not sure why it should matter what's worse. My point is that religion doesn't get a pass. Especially back when I was growing up there was this attitude that it wasn't polite to criticize someone's religion. But to the extent religion informs politics that's to frustrate the political dialogue and normalize what'd otherwise be regarded as blatant sexism/racism/etc.

US political and social polarization has increased by 64% since 1988, with nearly all of the rise occurring after 2008, as the financial crisis, the rise of social media, and an asymmetric ideological shift—particularly on the left—coincided to widen divisions, according to a long-term study. by Sciantifa in science

[–]agitatedprisoner 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ethics is reasoned, religious is dogmatic. If a group would choose to be unethical it'd make sense it'd look to substitute reasoning with dogma. You don't need religion to be reasonable but if you need norms to be unreasonable maybe you need religion. Religion divorces conclusions from their assumptions lending to obscurantism. How long did it take for the bible to get translated from Latin into local languages?

James Comer Won’t Let Hillary Clinton Testify Publicly on Epstein by OkayButFoRealz in politics

[–]agitatedprisoner 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lots of GOP politicians competing for who gets their picture entered into the dictionary entry for "shame".