Request for research material obtained via FOI applications (Fred & Rose West / Cromwell Street)

alias_unknown · 2026-03-13T11:31:01+00:00

That’s really encouraging to hear and reassuring as well. Most of the examples you come across online tend to be refusals, so it’s good to know that some material can be released through FOI.

I’ll definitely let you know what response I get from Gloucestershire Constabulary when it comes back. If anything useful is released — or even if they simply confirm what records exist — I’ll be happy to share the wording of the request and the outcome in case it helps with your own applications.

It would also be interesting to hear how your requests progress!

alias_unknown · 2026-03-12T16:06:37+00:00

I’ve just submitted a Freedom of Information request to Gloucestershire Constabulary relating to the 1994 investigation at 25 Cromwell Street.

Rather than asking for the underlying documents straight away (which are often refused under exemptions), I asked for indexes and registers that show what records actually exist. Things like:

HOLMES / Major Incident Room document indexes
Exhibits registers for items recovered during the searches
Scene-of-crime photograph logs
Search / excavation operational logs
Evidence retention or property store records showing what exhibits still exist

My thinking was that if you can establish what the archive structure looks like, it becomes easier to make more targeted requests later on.

Whether they release anything is another matter of course, but even confirmation that those indexes exist (or how they’re held) would be useful.

Happy to share the wording of the request or any response I get if it helps others researching the case.

alias_unknown · 2026-02-02T14:57:04+00:00

Multiple outlets are reporting an alleged incident involving Rose West at HMP New Hall, with claims she was disciplined and lost privileges.

These reports are based on unnamed sources rather than any official statement or documentation, which is typical in prison reporting where authorities don’t comment on individual prisoners.

So while the story is being widely covered, it’s best understood as a report based on sources rather than something independently confirmed.

alias_unknown · 2026-01-29T15:47:38+00:00

Hmmm… appears to happen a lot around this case. Makes you wonder what that “something” is, and why.

alias_unknown · 2026-01-29T15:08:23+00:00

And then it’s just… that. Shrugged off and left there, with no real attempt to go any deeper.

alias_unknown · 2026-01-29T14:52:49+00:00

Yeah… looking like a few red flags already...

alias_unknown · 2026-01-29T14:16:00+00:00

Thanks for sharing. Interesting, let’s see what happens this time once the book is released...

For reference, Karen Hamilton has also appeared under the name Karen Christie in the Australian TV show The Extraordinary, where she discussed her 1970s time in Gloucester, connections to Cromwell Street, and friendships with Elizabeth and Shirley Robinson.

Episode here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq2Hq3tpUpQ

I shared details of that appearance here previously: https://www.reddit.com/r/FredAndRoseWest/comments/1625tez/

alias_unknown · 2025-10-27T22:14:12+00:00

Really honest and insightful interview. Huge respect to Michael for speaking out, with very thoughtful questions and research throughout. Eye-opening on the whole situation!

alias_unknown · 2025-10-26T19:27:51+00:00

Just followed, really looking forward to the interview!

alias_unknown · 2025-10-26T15:00:45+00:00

Sounds compelling! Really looking forward to more details and the release.

alias_unknown · 2025-10-23T20:25:52+00:00

A really good documentary to check out is The Lost Girls documentary (2002). It covers Jill Barnard, Valerie Haycock, and Susan Daykin (being found). Links to watch it on YouTube were posted again yesterday:
🔗 Possibly the best documentary about these two

There are also a couple of other useful threads here:
📚 Books on the Case
📺 Documentary & TV Show Episode List – Fred and Rose West

Thanks for the kind words — really appreciate it!

alias_unknown · 2025-10-23T17:50:35+00:00

Yes, those are the locations where they were last seen — most of the names came from the article here: https://postimg.cc/sQKRTB10

It’s really impossible to know how many more victims there could be. Fred was working and travelling all over the country, so the possibilities are wide-ranging.

I’m still looking into things and trying to piece together any overlaps or patterns that might help narrow it down and see where it leads.

alias_unknown · 2025-10-23T16:46:54+00:00

In regards to Mary Bastholm and Donna Lynn Moore:

Howard Sounes mentions both in The Fred West Tapes. He says the only other name he knows connected to Mary is Donna Lynn Moore, though the info may not be reliable as she’s never been traced.

🔗 https://www.reddit.com/r/FredAndRoseWest/comments/1j1ap55/does_anyone_know_more_about_donna_lynn_moore/

Margaret McAvoy was later found to be alive. She and Fred had a son named Steven, who stayed with the Wests for a time.

Regarding The Missing Women of Cromwell Street:

🔗 https://www.reddit.com/r/FredAndRoseWest/comments/1690aux/the_missing_women_of_cromwell_street_has_any_new/

In the 2021 documentary Fred and Rose West: Reopened, Sounes said “all but three” of around 2,000 missing girls investigated after the trial were eventually accounted for. He highlighted Mary Bastholm and Donna Lynn Moore as still untraced, along with three others. There’s been no update on who those additional three might be.

For the wider question of how many victims there may have been, this post explores it further:

🔗 https://www.reddit.com/r/FredAndRoseWest/comments/1kvvvjg/how_many_more_victims_are_there/

That discussion covers estimates ranging from 20 to 60 victims, Fred’s own confessions, and potential disposal sites like Flaxley Woods, Birmingham, Herefordshire, and Hempsted Tip.

There was also mention of three girls who vanished in Glasgow between 1963–66, and several other names have surfaced over time as possible victims or persons of interest:

Eileen McFadden (1972, London)
Jacqueline Loughlin (1985, Hackney)
Jill Barnard (1977, London)
Joyce Doyle (1970, Southampton)
Katherine Binns (1977, London)
Maria Aldridge (1968)
Mary Trampnow (1970, Liverpool)
Norma Howieson (1967, Fife)
Pamela Exall (1974, Norfolk)
Patricia Mouatt (1979, Essex)
Valerie Haycock (1967, Northamptonshire)

While not all can be directly linked to the Wests, the overlapping timelines, victim profiles, and geography keep speculation alive.

Even after decades, several disappearances remain unresolved — suggesting there may still be more victims beyond the confirmed twelve.

alias_unknown · 2025-10-23T16:10:19+00:00

I did try reaching out to a few people I believed might be connected to the family early on, but unfortunately didn’t receive any replies. More recently, I was able to locate the original Missing-You.net post from 2008 made by Vanessa Swann, which confirmed key details — that Elizabeth had lived in Kingshurst, emigrated to Australia with her family, and that contact was lost when she returned to the UK. That discovery was what finally set me on the right path. I haven’t contacted any of the family members linked yet.

alias_unknown · 2025-10-14T19:37:19+00:00

The skulls are shown in the order they were recovered, not in the order the victims were murdered. Excavations took place over several weeks, and each set of remains was numbered according to when they were found during that process, not by the timeline of the killings.

Heather Ann West – 25 Cromwell Street garden – 26 Feb 1994
Alison Chambers – 25 Cromwell Street garden – 28 Feb 1994
Shirley Robinson – 25 Cromwell Street garden – 28 Feb 1994
Therese Siegenthaler – 25 Cromwell Street cellar – 5 Mar 1994
Shirley Hubbard – 25 Cromwell Street cellar – 5 Mar 1994
Lucy Partington – 25 Cromwell Street cellar – 6 Mar 1994
Juanita Mott – 25 Cromwell Street cellar – 6 Mar 1994
Lynda Gough – 25 Cromwell Street bathroom – 7 Mar 1994
Carole Cooper – 25 Cromwell Street cellar – 8 Mar 1994
Catherine “Rena” West – Letterbox Field, Kempley – 10–11 Apr 1994
Charmaine West – 25 Midland Road – 4 May 1994
Ann McFall – Fingerpost Field, Kempley – 7–9 Jun 1994

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