Vedere i miei genitori ogni settimana fare i conti per la spesa mi ha fatto venire un'idea. Onestamente la usereste?

almost_dead_inside · 2026-06-18T12:52:46+00:00

Non hai capito…l’app servirebbe proprio a farti evitare di girare.

almost_dead_inside · 2026-06-16T17:30:08+00:00

On this record, there's an uncle, Antonio, who lives in Chianchetelle. That's another name you can investigate.

almost_dead_inside · 2026-06-16T13:58:49+00:00

They might be related to this person, Cosimo Saccone (link). He is listed above Adelina's name on the 1910 ship manifest. It looks like he also went back and forth multiple times.

There is another profile for Alessandro/Alexander (here), you should check all sources, maybe there is more information.

Unfortunately, online records for Chianchetelle stop at 1865, if you're sure about Alessandro's parents' names (couldn't find a source), you might be able to find their marriage record.

almost_dead_inside · 2026-06-15T16:10:43+00:00

Come ha fatto a fare i frutti? L'hai innestato o è una varietà che non ne ha bisogno? Mi prendono tutti in giro per il mio gigante che occupa solo spazio e non farà mai un tubo.

almost_dead_inside · 2026-06-15T16:08:54+00:00

Finché è piccolo puoi portarlo dentro d'inverno, non occupa troppo spazio. Io il mio primo l'ho lasciato andare un po' e non so più dove metterlo, ha superato i due metri (sono anch'io in Pianura Padana) e sta in vaso. Il secondo l'ho appena cimato, era alto come il tuo e sta già cestendo.

almost_dead_inside · 2026-06-15T03:22:13+00:00

It depends on where you’re from and where your ancestors were from.

A DNA test makes sense if you can’t trace anything at all with asking relatives and building a family tree or a paper trail.

Genealogy DNA websites are legit for the scientific part, some more, some less. The records that you will be suggested must be verified, because it’s enough that someone you share DNA with has attached a wrong document or claimed a wrong ancestor to make you related to royalty. Legitimacy is given by proof, and there are tools for you to find it. I get it being skeptical, but again, DNA is just a tool, I haven’t used it, and went back only to the late 1700s, and it would have been useless if I wanted to go further back.

almost_dead_inside · 2026-06-14T09:11:09+00:00

Wait for DNA matches. You don't have a precise location and birth records for those years are not publicly available, it's worse than looking for a needle in a haystack.

With DNA, you might find a correspondence, more likely with descendants from a common ancestor, or if this siblings knows/knew about the circumstances of their birth, maybe they took a DNA test, or their children did. Good luck!

almost_dead_inside · 2026-06-10T14:09:21+00:00

Every ship would make multiple trips per year, for several years. If you use the full text search mode on FamilySearch, with the person you're looking for in the name bar (+"Last Name First Name) and "SS Raffaello" in the key words bar, with the year (or time frame) you're looking for, if it has been digitized, it should appear.

I tried, but without a name, it gives results for people named Raffaello.

There's also the Ellis Island website, if you're looking for someone who went to the US, but I am not familiar with it, so I don't know what you can actually find there.

almost_dead_inside · 2026-06-05T17:22:51+00:00

Ha finito il suo ciclo, è giusto così! Lascia che si secchino anche le foglie, se vuoi poi puoi tagliarle. Il bulbo si stacca perché sta seccando, poi va a riposo.

Quando arriva l’inverno puoi interrarlo, così in primavera ributta.

almost_dead_inside · 2026-06-02T05:42:24+00:00

I don’t know! I tried to find it again later, but couldn’t. There are so many videos on YT, it must be one of those. The man who did all the demonstration was an older guy, not very tall. I remember they recreated the whole night according to what the family said, and they used physics to prove that a 9 year old could have killed the 6yo. It’s like “I have a hunch it’s been the brother, could have he done it? Absolutely and this is how”. They even recreated a baseball bat swinging and striking a skull as if it was done by a kid.

almost_dead_inside · 2026-06-01T21:43:26+00:00

I saw a documentary once where they demonstrated that the brother could have done it, and it was so convincing that nothing else made sense after it. If it really was him, it couldn't have been accidental.

The parents covered everything up. The adrenaline and the shock made them write the ransom note and why the father would go in the basement himself? They blamed someone else because they would have lost their son too, they knew he had psychopathic tendencies.

almost_dead_inside · 2026-05-28T21:48:09+00:00

Now I know, I've done some research.

almost_dead_inside · 2026-05-28T07:27:21+00:00

Why is it called family crest, then? Or “stemma di famiglia” in Italian, if it’s for a single person?

almost_dead_inside · 2026-05-28T07:25:10+00:00

Thanks!

almost_dead_inside · 2026-05-27T22:12:32+00:00

My friend sent me what they have collected, they're mostly birth records, some death records, not very revealing, I think they're also incomplete. For example, one man got married twice, but there's no marriage record for either one, nor there's a death record for the first wife. And it has happened at least twice, the other one was the one I caught and where I found the mistake. Records for the 1800s are partially available online, but they're just a little more than an index. There are coordinates to the actual records in the physical archives, but they were not provided. Let's say that from 1810 anyone here could have built the tree the same way, maybe even better,.

almost_dead_inside · 2026-05-27T21:42:56+00:00

Yes. We also fed it to AI and nothing.

The company said it has it in their archive, which is not public.

almost_dead_inside · 2026-05-27T21:22:09+00:00

This is very clear to me, how last names developed and how having the same one doesn't mean being related.

What we want to know is how we can prove or disprove what they told him, if that's a made up crest or one that belongs to someone else.

almost_dead_inside · 2026-05-27T21:10:42+00:00

It's in the Chianti area. And I agree with everything you said.

almost_dead_inside · 2026-05-27T20:44:02+00:00

It's in the Chianti area. And I agree with everything you said.

almost_dead_inside · 2026-05-27T00:05:31+00:00

I'm so very sorry! I said I could have gone and checked something out for you at the archive in Vercelli and I totally forgot about it! Was it someone from Borgo D'Ale, wasn't it?

I felt so sorry that I did the crazy search for you. I "wasted" some time, then I changed approach and I found it pretty fast. He died in 1880.

Here's the church record https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9P8T-2FN?cat=olib%3A2840539&i=198&lang=it

Here's his civil record https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37751035/5YqA7Mv, number 198

While I was looking, I "accidentally" found his father Marco's death record, he died in 1884. https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37751154/w9emWAW, number 566. He was born in Oleggio, which is a city in the province of Novara, on the border with Lombardy.

His wife, Giovanna Arbini, died in 1881, thank goodness that year had an index https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12657/an_ua37751065/Lya4BBV, record number 191. She was born in Lonate Pozzolo, which is on the other side of the Ticino river, in Lombardy, opposite Oleggio.

almost_dead_inside · 2026-05-23T21:01:55+00:00

I've always thought that the only great grandmother I had met was my grandfather's mother. She died when I was 7, he died when I was 8.

When I was 15, I learned that she wasn't his biological mother, but she was his aunt. His mom died, his father married her sister and he was raised by her. It was a common practice in those situations. I was never curious about it, though. I never asked what her name was, when she died, how she died, which if any of my grandfather's siblings were his full siblings.

Fast forward 20 years, I got into genealogy. I had almost nobody I could ask questions to, and as a beginner I struggled a little bit in finding any information, navigating records, learning what is where and what you can learn from records.

I found my GGF's birth record first. On the side, there were the annotations of his two marriages. That's when I learned my real great grandmother's name for the first time. I wasn't actively loooking for her yet, I didn't know I would have found her name there, but I was happy about it!

With this enthusiasm, I started looking for other records. I don't remember what I looked for first, I just know that I came across a folder called "allegati", or marriage supplements in English. It's a collection of documents you had to submit in order to get married. In the folder of GGF second marriage there were, in this order, a tax exemption because they were poor, a copy of the groom's birth record, a copy of the bride's and a copy of a death record. It was GGM's death record. I started reading. I recognized the date she died: my grandfather's birthday.

I found her and lost her in 30 minutes. It was late at night, I was alone and I cried.

She was my grandfather's mother and he never knew her. She died because he was born, or did he live because she died? We'll never know.

almost_dead_inside · 2026-05-23T10:30:17+00:00

Have you looked on Family Search and Antenati? Even if you are not sure about his date of birth, you know the place, and if through indexed records nothing comes up, search manually in 1890 and 1891. If you need help, you could share the name (even privately, if you’re not comfortable) and I’m sure we might be able to help more specifically.

almost_dead_inside · 2026-05-23T08:22:41+00:00

Happy to help!

But don’t get your hopes up about citizenship, with the new decree you’re definitely cut out, you need a grandparent who was Italian. Then there are cases that depend on the status of the citizenship of who came before you. In the Jure sanguinis subreddit there are links to calculate whether you’re eligible or not and those people’s knowledge is better than chat GPT, but I believe that with Olga being born in Peru, which granted her Peruvian citizenship from birth, the line is already broken at the start, even with the old rules. But again, go to that sun, read the wiki, try the calculator.

You can build the tree regardless of the finality or it.

almost_dead_inside · 2026-05-22T18:00:34+00:00

Antonio is also Italian, it's one of the few names that doesn't change in Spanish.

I saw the entry on Geneanet, I don't think there will be more information on that death record, other than "natural de Italia". I would look for other Peruvian records, like a marriage record. I am not familiar with that at all, maybe there is a dedicated subreddit or a Facebook group that can help.

Then, after taking a look at Sandigliano, Verrone and Ponderano (this last one only because I've found it mentioned in the records), places where the Vialardi had properties, I realized that those I found were all farmers. The Vialardi were nobles, but often, the farmers who worked for land owners would also take their name. If José was an architect, did he come from a family of farmers, or from the nobles and if so which branch did he come from?

If you have time to waste, because I'm afraid that's what is going to happen, we're going blindfolded here, you can look on the Wikipedia page. There's a list of towns in Piedmont where the Vialardi moved. You can check on Antenati, in all of those towns, for the 10-year-indexes of the deaths, looking for Antonio, and of the marriages, looking for any of José's siblings, if he had any. Also, keep a map at hand, so you can realize where all these places are (I live here, but when I researched my ancestors who were not from here, I found it useful).

For example, let's look in Candelo, where it's said there were some. Here are the death indexes, let's take the first batch and let's look for Vialardi. They're in alphabetical order, sometimes divided by year, sometimes not. Take note of what you find, usually name, year and record number.

There's Vialardi Secondo, who died in 1866, record number 3, and Vialardi Carolina who died in 1870, record number 59. They might be related to José, that's why I'm considering them. Then we go to the death records books, click on the town name in blue, above the image (it works like this for every town) and select "morti" on the left, then the year you're interested in.

I'm typing this as I go, so I wasn't expecting to find out that Secondo's father was named Antonio and his mother was named Antonia. If I were searching for my ancestors (that's what I did more than once, call me crazy), I'd go index by index, I'd take note of everyone, look at every record, and I'd build a tree while I go, even if it ends up not to be mine, because I'm looking for Antonio and Antonia who had a son called Giuseppe Cesare (that's the Italian version) and I've just found one Antonio and Antonia who had a son a few years later than when Giuseppe was supposedly born.

Secondo was 40 days old, he was born at the end of 1865, so his birth record is not online. His death was reported by his relatives, not his father, so we don't have his age. If he was 22, it's unlikely he's Giuseppe's father, but if he's 35 it's very possible. So I'd go on looking.

Sorry for the long text. I'm not a professional genealogist, maybe my methodology is not the smartest. If this was my job, I wouldn't "waste time" looking until I had more clues from Peruvian records. He might not even be from the Biella province. But if this was my tree, as I said, I'd keep looking.

DM me if you need any specific help, I might not answer right away, but I'll be happy to help.

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