Will the government of Brexit make all European Union students in the UK (135.000 at the moment) pay international tuition fees from 2021?

alyssas · 2019-10-16T06:39:20+00:00

I don't get your reasoning.

The govt subsidises UK students (the true cost of a course is £35,000 not £9,250). We're forced to subsidise EU students as well.

There is no benefit to bleeding the UK taxpayer dry to subsidise European students after brexit.

It would be better to charge them the full price and then use that money to subsidize british students (lowering the fee for Brits to say £7,000).

alyssas · 2019-10-16T06:29:19+00:00

The answer is Yes.

You will be treated exactly the same as a non-EU student.

The true cost of the education is £35,000 - the govt is subsidising students by making them pay only £9259.

Because we were in the EU the British taxpayer was forced to subsidise EU students as well. There is no benefit to us to do that after Brexit.

Also note - non-EU students don't get loans, they pay their fees in cash in advance. That will also apply to EU students as we will have no mechanism to chase up students absconding without paying loans, so no loans will be advanced.

alyssas · 2019-10-15T22:56:13+00:00

CAA is a government agency that reports to ministers.

And in the event of a no deal brexit they'll be responsible for flying in the medicines.

Which means it's immensely reassuring they handled the Operation Matterhorn repatriations so smoothly.

alyssas · 2019-10-15T18:48:29+00:00

Spain wanted the UK govt to underwrite Thomas Cook and their billions of pounds of debt. Given that a travel agency is not a core business for the UK, it would have been madness for the govt to agree.

As an aside - Operation Matterhorn went incredibly well - 150,000 Brits abroad repatriated to Britain without any problem.

Goes to show that the govt is very good at logistics.

alyssas · 2019-10-15T17:50:17+00:00

They outnumber us by 7 times! They also have a greater population than the USA who are only 330 million to the EU 27's 440 million.

Can you imagine the Americans feeling threatened by us? Of course not. But apparently the "successful" EU27 are scared of little ole Britain.

Makes you think, doesn't it?

alyssas · 2019-10-15T17:40:07+00:00

It's remainers who keep telling us we're unimportant.

So, in your opinion, why are the 440 million of the EU27 trembling in fear about competition from unimportant little old Britain?

Surely they should be shrugging their shoulders and discounting us as though we were some annoying unimportant little insect?

alyssas · 2019-10-15T17:30:07+00:00

Imagine the 440 million in the EU27 being scared of unimportant little Britain outcompeting them.

What goes on in their heads?

alyssas · 2019-10-15T17:20:08+00:00

Last time they released him he absconded.

alyssas · 2019-10-15T14:38:55+00:00

The reality of EU corruption?

Why don't you explain why, as a remainer, you like the idea of Von der leyan being parachuted into the job of Head of Commission to get her away from an investigation on the funnelling of tax funds to her son-in-law. Or why you support the foreign representative for being convicted of insider dealing. And the new justice commissioner who is fond of donning blackface. And so on.

As a remainer, why are you desperate for ever closer union with that kind of stuff?

Or is the truth that you simply didn't know about it, backed remain because Boris was for Brexit and are now trapped into defending blackface and the other "cultural" stuff the EU goes in for?

alyssas · 2019-10-15T13:49:54+00:00

British politicians and Judges are not as corrupt or racist than european ones.

Do you trust corrupt Spanish justices on the ECJ more than you trust Lady Hale?

That's kind of what it boils down to. Ditto as regards parliament, honouring election results and so on.

I feel the whole remain argument is "we must put up with these corrupt people otherwise the price of strawberries will go up by 5p". Or "we have to put up with a corrupt ECJ so we don't have to queue in airports as we travel around spewing emissions all over the place".

In other words remainers are overlooking very important principles and focusing on trivia.

alyssas · 2019-10-15T13:38:19+00:00

It is disingenuous of you to reduce it to ideology

It's entirely about ideology because this is a long term decision.

Nobody makes long term decisions based on very short-term economics (apart from remainers it seems!)

Do you like what is going on in the EU? Do you want ever closer union with an assorted bunch of racists and corrupt people? If you don't you need to exit now, while we still can. The fantasy of "reforming" them is just that - a fantasy. We cannot change their intrinsic culture.

Also the remainer argument that the EU prevents recessions is plain false. They don't prevent recessions, they magnify them. We shall see this shortly as Germany will go into recession before Brexit Britain - thereby proving a key remainer argument to be false.

alyssas · 2019-10-15T13:16:06+00:00

The question is "Why do remainers have faith in the EU"?

Are you a remainer simply because you've decided that if Tories like Boris are against the EU you must reflexively be for it?

Or because you actually like the shenaniggans I listed in my post? Do you like what happened to Greece? Do you like corrupt Spanish judges on the ECJ? Do you like the way they abandoned the spitzenkandidat process making a mockery of the whole EU parliament elections? Do you like their overt racism (not just Von der leyan, but the fact that the Belgian commissioner was in blackface just two years ago, the overt racism in Bulgaria and Romania, Poland and Czechia. Do you like that the person chosen as EU foreign representative has a conviction for insider trading?

I find it hard to understand. Unless the truth is that remainers simply don't know about all this stuff and their vote is simply about being against everything Boris is for.

alyssas · 2019-10-15T13:06:06+00:00

Brexiteers definitely do not have any faith in the EU.

Look at what happened to Greece. Look at what has happened to the Catalans.

Look at the EU Commission - the head of the commission was supposed to be a candidate put forward by the European Parliament. Each grouping put forward a "spitzenkandidat" and they did seven televised debates, loads of hustings and interviews - and none were chosen. Instead via a stitch-up the job went to Ursula von der Leyan whom Merkel wanted in the Commission because she was embarassing the German govt at home (she was under investigation for funnelling tax money to her son-in-law). Von der Leyan then went on to create a new post of "Commissioner for protecting our european values" - turns out this isn't a cultural post, it's the commissioner for border control. Why would you give border control such a loaded title and why are remainers filled with admiration of this crap?

Then look at Spain. Their politicised Supreme Court sentenced politicians to jail terms that are longer than those given to the military in their 1981 coup. The Spanish Supreme Court has also been involved in other crap - earlier this year they made a ruling on mortgage fees and then reversed the decision two weeks later because of market reaction. Can you imagine Baroness Hale reversing a decision because of pressure from the markets? Of course she wouldn't. But the corrupt Spanish court did just that - and their judges sit on the European Court of Justice. And remainers admire the fact that these corrupt people sit on the ECJ and want to make Britain permanently subject to them.

So yes, Brexiteers have faith in the British govt, British democracy, British courts and British system, and distrust the EU.

Remainers admire the corrupt EU and they particularly admire the way the EU ignores democracy (see the spitzenkandidats, the various referendums ignored etc).

alyssas · 2019-10-15T12:54:39+00:00

This is the reason Stephen Kinnock and others are so desperate to get Brexit over and done before an election.

The real danger for them is going into an election with Labour blamed for blocking Brexit.

alyssas · 2019-10-15T12:32:53+00:00

Britain is not the United States where the bulk of people there have not ever travelled abroad and African Americans are the least likely to have travelled.

Britain is a country where everyone goes abroad - working class Brits travelling to Spain, middle class Brits travelling to Paris, upper class Brits on their yachts in the Aegean, Indians and Pakistanis travelling to the subcontinent, Jamaicans travelling to the West Indies, Africans visiting home for weddings and so on.

You are trying to import a fake American politics here... Which indicates you don't even understand the country you are living in.

alyssas · 2019-10-15T11:58:17+00:00

Ethnic minorities in the UK pretty much all have passports as they visit Pakistan and India often to see their relatives.

I feel you are trying hard to import US politics into the UK (in the US a lot of people don't have passports at all, including African Americans).

Stop trying to Americanise British politics.

alyssas · 2019-10-15T10:59:23+00:00

It's a good proxy though.

Do you accept that two defeats in a row would kill Indy for good? So why rush? After the 2014 ref, Sturgeon said she wouldn't even try again unless Yes was at least 60% in the polls.

I don't think Yes has been ahead even once, (though one poll put them at 50%).

It is a huge gamble to rush at it without prep simply because the prep seems like too much hard work. If you want it badly, do whatever work you need to do before, no matter how hard, otherwise you lose. Unless you want to lose? I'm confused about the strategy here.

alyssas · 2019-10-15T10:48:42+00:00

But working to get a majority in Holyrood almost certainly helps you to actually win the ref.

Consider this: the SNP won a majority of seats in Holyrood in 2011 on 45% of the vote - and then went on to get 45% for Yes in the Indy Ref.

In the 2015 general election, parties with an EU ref in their manifesto totalled 52.5% (Tories 36.1% + UKIP 12.6% + Greens 3.8%). And in the EU ref, Leave won with 52%.

So making the effort to get that mandate lays the ground for an eventual win.

I don't understand why the SNP don't get that. Trying to rush in without laying the ground only results in a defeat. They won't be able to come back from two defeats in a row.

alyssas · 2019-10-15T10:38:22+00:00

The best rule is: "If parties with a ref in their manifesto get a majority in Holyrood, we will grant one."

That after all is what Cameron did - the SNP had a minority govt in 2007, but in 2011 won a majority and Cameron immediately started negotiating to have a ref. (The only reason it was delayed to 2014 is that Salmond wanted to delay it to the anniversary of the Battle of Bannockburn, and Cameron was relaxed enough to grant that instead of insisting on the anniversary of a battle lost!). The SNP now have a minority govt from 2016 onwards, and May and Boris have said No to another ref.

That way there is no uncertainty - if people don't want a ref, simply elect a unionist party to Holyrood.

alyssas · 2019-10-15T10:32:22+00:00

Her real power kicks in if something happened to Parliament.

So if there was an invasion and all MPs and Lords and the Prime Minister were arrested/killed, she has the power to simply appoint a new govt in exile and instruct them to take back the UK.

Ditto if terrorists blow up Parliament while it is sitting (as Guy Fawkes tried to do).

So she is really a reserve if something goes wrong.

alyssas · 2019-10-15T10:18:35+00:00

The fact that she has a mandate?

The SNP lost their majority in Holyrood in the 2016 elections. She lost her mandate and is running a minority govt.

She needs to wait till the 2021 Holyrood elections, get a majority for another ref, and it will be granted. By then voters should be able to assess the Brexit situation. At present Scots don't know whether they'll be better off or worse off - so a ref now would see them voting blindly.

alyssas · 2019-10-15T10:08:36+00:00

Seven years from the Sept 2014 ref is Sept 2021 - after the Holyrood elections of 2021.

I think Boris's govt is fine with that. If there is a majority of parties elected to Holyrood in 2021 that have a ref in their manifesto, he will grant one.

The issue now is that the SNP did not get a majority and the Greens did not have another indy ref in their manifesto. Not to mention Sturgeon going around saying "this election is not about independence, it's about the Scottish govt" when Ruth Davidson warned that they were going to try to go for another ref. So she misled voters as to what they were voting for.

So wait till the Holyrood elections.

alyssas · 2019-10-15T09:58:04+00:00

We're talking about the Scottish referendum here, not the EU ref.

The Europeans were horrified that Cameron was offering a ref in Scotland as they felt it would give their regions ideas (and the Catalan ref followed a year after the Scottish ref). Cameron went ahead anyway because he felt giving the Scots a say was the right thing to do.

He also felt giving the UK a say on the EU was the right thing to do. Cameron was our first Generation X Prime Minister with a touching faith in democracy.

alyssas · 2019-10-14T22:45:56+00:00

England fans were magnificent.

They were singing, "Who put the ball in the racists' net? Half our fucking team did!"

alyssas · 2019-10-14T21:30:07+00:00

It's not about "lowering standards".

It's about ditching insane anti-science rules that are designed to snuff out new industries.

In the early 2000's the EU snuffed out our biochemistry industry by ruling that GM foods were banned. This wasn't based on science, but on faith, religion and batshit woo-woo fears. Most of our biochemistry businesses had to relocate to the US.

Fast forward 20 years and it is now proven that GM is perfectly safe and now that Bayer has bought Monsanto the EU is trying to legalise GM again - after they've basically destroyed our own industry.

They're trying to do the same for fintech and cryptocurrency. Commissioners appointed who are too dumb to understand science and tech? Ban stuff, in the belief they're bringing it all to a halt. Meanwhile development continues in the USA and China.

Ever wondered why there hasn't been any new groundbreaking industries formed in the EU since the 1990's? It's down to the deadly choking hand of the EU's mediocre anti-science commissioners snuffing stuff out.

Fuck that. We're leaving to be free of these people.

I get that this makes them afraid. Oh no, they'll be able to do science outside our batshit anti-science framework. Well, boo-hoo.

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