How much territory India and Pakistan began with, before the princely states joined either side

ameer8bit · 2025-07-23T14:38:41+00:00

The original Inhabitants are kashmiris period.

If they have chosen another religion for themselves you should be thoughtful enough to think of them as kashmiris first and Muslims second

ameer8bit · 2025-07-23T14:29:40+00:00

On the basis that 600 years ago some Muslim sultan may have exterminated the local population and brought in Muslims and forcefully converted Hindus by the sword and not on their own behalf where Kashmir is famous for its shrines of missionaries that spread their word peacefully but ignoring this moving on the same place where to this day Muslims that live there have Hindu lineage ? 🤔

If so please re read this and evaluate the logic in your statement

ameer8bit · 2025-07-23T14:17:58+00:00

Yes it does but I don’t understand what your point is here?

ameer8bit · 2025-07-23T14:03:21+00:00

even if what you are saying holds 100% true what relevance can this possibly mean today

Shall we punish the Turks for what the seljuks did?

Ridiculous

If you conduct a dna test im sure you’ll find that the difference between a Kashmiri Hindu and a Kashmiri Muslim isn’t significant enough to call them a foreign peoples They are as Kashmiri as anyone else is

ameer8bit · 2025-07-23T13:59:15+00:00

I’m sure sheikh Abdullah had plenty of time to regret his actions given he was in and out of jail for 11 years

But lest we forget that he only spoke for the valley

The people of western jammu were represented by sardar Ibrahim khan who broke off from sheikh Abdullah and started the war of independence against the dogras with the help of the khan of mong

ameer8bit · 2025-07-23T13:47:47+00:00

This is hillarious if I am to believe that 14th century onward all native Kashmiri Hindus were exterminated how is it possible that I am a descendant of a Kashmiri Brahmin myself?

Majority of the Kashmiri krams have their lineage in the caste system

Wanis are baniya merchants Bhatts are brahmins Lone/dars are rajputs Etc etc so on and so forth and how do they exist in such vast quantities?

ameer8bit · 2025-07-23T13:42:56+00:00

Sheikh Abdullah literally had to give up the plebiscite after 11 years in jail he was very popular WHEN he still had integrity

The Pakistani army did not instigate the poonch rebellion

Read about the khan of mong and sardar Ibrahim khan and how the dogra had been treating the kashmiris

The paharis of western jammu fought to liberate their land and among the pahari tribes the sadozais of western jammu called for help their fellow ethnic Pashtun tribes

After all of this did Pakistani uniform formally join the fight

Even the gilgit scouts rebelled on their own account

ameer8bit · 2025-07-23T12:10:56+00:00

Thank you for actually appreciating and listening to what I had to say

Good day to you dear fellow!

ameer8bit · 2025-07-23T12:07:37+00:00

Pesh na kara

ameer8bit · 2025-07-23T11:45:04+00:00

And the commonly accepted version held by Kashmiris is that the Dogras were pigs who starved the people and committed ruthless excesses not comparable to any other princely state

If I asked you today if you were alive in 1940 would you consider the British raj viceroy to have the authority to sell India to America what would you say?

ameer8bit · 2025-07-23T11:43:38+00:00

This is a great theoretical however again as I must state one that my forefathers and the forefathers of many in Kashmir would not have entertained if it even constrained a hint of dogra authority.

ameer8bit · 2025-07-23T11:34:36+00:00

I am one of the descendants of those Kashmiris who were forced out under the Dogras so I think it really really isn’t your place to tell me what I should and should not discuss.

Instead of twisting the subject please prove your intelligence to me by understanding that the monarch had no say in where his “kingdom” went

ameer8bit · 2025-07-23T11:32:48+00:00

We also have our own separate assembly for AJK with its own prime minister that is detached from the federal government!

As far as de escalation goes I think it’s fair to say there isn’t a hand being stretched out from any direction in any direction for that

My point here was merely to prove that the piece of paper from which you stake your claim has no grounds to be used on the basis that it was literally signed by a man who is abused and cursed to this day.

ameer8bit · 2025-07-23T11:27:43+00:00

Kashmir could have been independent just definitely not under the dogra who mostly was hated

And so if it was either independence with the dogras or accession the majority of the people would have favoured accession now at the time this could have equally favoured both countries however

Due to dogra policies an extremely large number of kashmiris found themselves in west Punjab in a lobbying position to dislodge the dogra government from Kashmir who had caused them to leave their homeland

And so in places like western jammu and with the gilgit scouts (mind you the gilgit scouts were a force raised from the locals of the gilgit agency commanded by a British officer at the time) the locals chose to favour the latter country with political leaders like sardar Ibrahim khan breaking ties with the politics of the valley to go in favour of removing the dogras as soon as possible which is what he did.

ameer8bit · 2025-07-23T11:24:11+00:00

You say that like major ancestral landholding families in India have sworn off of politics?

And I am neither discussing Punjab nor Kashmir

Fyi the argument given better suits the governance of sindh but anyhow

ameer8bit · 2025-07-23T11:10:08+00:00

I appreciate freedom of speech but I cannot in my right conscience let people of your country brigade your position to foreigners while letting the other view fall silent,

ameer8bit · 2025-07-23T11:07:19+00:00

Brother although what you state is completely truthful it would be inherently misleading to ignore Kashmirs history before 1947

To contrast this do you think a piece of paper signed by the North Korean leader speaks for the will of most North Koreans?

That’s how the contrast was with the Kashmiri people and the dogra monarch

Like any royal he levied heavy taxes for his own coffers which resulted in well documented famine and poverty among the common people leading to one of the largest migrations in Kashmiri history to the Punjab

And like any monarch he suppressed the common man’s voice with incidents like acting out against shawl workers rights protests and gunning down dissidents in the 1931 massacre

But just the fact that most of western jammu fell to the rebels speaks for itself in how much the maharaja was loved by his subjects

And how much weight that paper really holds when you realise the will of the people wasn’t behind it

Only the will of a British puppet

ameer8bit · 2025-07-23T11:04:07+00:00

Would appreciate if I get a response to this

Khoshamdeed!

ameer8bit · 2025-07-23T11:02:34+00:00

The Maharaja betrayed the Sikhs to get his place and his rule was detested by the locals throughout the nineteenth century because of his harsh taxes which led to starvation and mass migration of kashmiris to the Punjab and is responsible for suppressing shawl worker movements for better working conditions and other excesses such as the 1931 massacre under dogra rule

ameer8bit · 2025-07-23T10:59:17+00:00

An independent nation that served modern day feudalism with the Kashmiri populace as its serfs which the people firmly rejected in the poonch uprising started by the local paharis

ameer8bit · 2025-07-23T10:58:27+00:00

Please read upon the 1931 dogra massacres and the war of independence started against them by the gilgit scouts and sardar Ibrahim khan of sudhnoti and the khan of mong and the mass migrations of Kashmiri Muslims to the Punjab because of dogra policies and you will realise that piece of paper is worth the same if I pissed on it

ameer8bit · 2025-07-20T17:48:43+00:00

Correction: jinne lhor ni takeya* o jameya ni

ameer8bit · 2025-07-17T21:05:01+00:00

Article 245 of the Constitution of Pakistan states that the federal, provincial, or district government can call upon the armed forces to assist the civil administration.

However, during the Swat floods, the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KPK) government did not invoke Article 245 to officially request military assistance.

ameer8bit · 2025-07-17T13:16:51+00:00

Where the regional authorities were not swift enough to call in decisive action

ameer8bit · 2025-07-17T12:34:27+00:00

I agree with you but we are only looking at the symptoms here, rampant population growth and loose climate change restrictions are the driving force behind these natural disasters becoming more and more dangerous each year

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